StreetsofBeige
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Maybe office jobbers should learn to work in a coal mine?
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[Wired] AI Is Already Taking Jobs in the Video Game Industry
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Mortisfacio
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I still think the "Learn to Code" meme history is hilarious
2014: Journos start telling people to learn to code
2015-2016: Telling miners to learn to code and we shut down coal mines to go green
2019: Journos get fired and 4chan memes back at them to learn to code
Today: Displacement of junior devs due to AI doing the mundane coding. Maybe they should work the mines?
2014: Journos start telling people to learn to code
2015-2016: Telling miners to learn to code and we shut down coal mines to go green
2019: Journos get fired and 4chan memes back at them to learn to code
Today: Displacement of junior devs due to AI doing the mundane coding. Maybe they should work the mines?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
A.I. won't ever be smart enough to take everyone's jobs.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It's the only way to go. Humans have constantly looked for more efficient ways to do work. It's been happening for 100s of years. There's no reason to stop now just because A.I. is the next step.
Guardian Monkey
Member
As yes, coal mining. The untapped wealth that is unrealized by many, as seen whenever you go through West Virginia.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
End of the day, there's always jobs. In fact, there's so many jobs unemployment rates are still at historic lows (aside from covid years which were often mandated shut downs). So the jobs are there.
Comes down to if someone is good enough to hold onto a job and if someone can adjust and get a different one if they are cut.
Unless a company is going bankrupt and everyone gets canned, what do most companies do when they do mass layoffs the past bunch of years? 5% or 10% of people tops? So despite all the years of tech and AI killing jobs (where's all the AI trucks taking over shipping?) a typical company still keeps 90%+ of people. And that assumes the company cuts people. My company has been growing steady in sales and employees for over 10 years since I joined.
So dont fall for all the articles about job losses only. There's never articles about hiring (except Amazon and WM promoting holiday temp worker increases). If you truly only believed in losses only, every company would be insanely down workers and unemployment rates would be 80%.
Maybe all the digital deskjobbers who might be canned die to ChatGPT or whatever taking your job should get a bit more old school and work for a company that makes bread or cans of soup. You still need people to do physical parts of a job and even the desk job tasks can only be automated so much. Companies still need brain power to think of ideas, negotiate deals, agree on strategies etc....
It sounds like the digital jobbers getting phased out are Phase 2 of paper pushers losing jobs to automated invoicing and reports the past 30-40 years. A machine could do it way faster and more accurately (assuming things are set up perfectly). To keep a paper pushing kind of role, you got to adjust to the tech and be someone who can take that data and improve on it (ie. fix mistakes or use your head to do wonders with it a numbnut program like SAP can just spit out data).
Comes down to if someone is good enough to hold onto a job and if someone can adjust and get a different one if they are cut.
Unless a company is going bankrupt and everyone gets canned, what do most companies do when they do mass layoffs the past bunch of years? 5% or 10% of people tops? So despite all the years of tech and AI killing jobs (where's all the AI trucks taking over shipping?) a typical company still keeps 90%+ of people. And that assumes the company cuts people. My company has been growing steady in sales and employees for over 10 years since I joined.
So dont fall for all the articles about job losses only. There's never articles about hiring (except Amazon and WM promoting holiday temp worker increases). If you truly only believed in losses only, every company would be insanely down workers and unemployment rates would be 80%.
Maybe all the digital deskjobbers who might be canned die to ChatGPT or whatever taking your job should get a bit more old school and work for a company that makes bread or cans of soup. You still need people to do physical parts of a job and even the desk job tasks can only be automated so much. Companies still need brain power to think of ideas, negotiate deals, agree on strategies etc....
It sounds like the digital jobbers getting phased out are Phase 2 of paper pushers losing jobs to automated invoicing and reports the past 30-40 years. A machine could do it way faster and more accurately (assuming things are set up perfectly). To keep a paper pushing kind of role, you got to adjust to the tech and be someone who can take that data and improve on it (ie. fix mistakes or use your head to do wonders with it a numbnut program like SAP can just spit out data).
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YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Lol nobody cared when factory jobs are gone but not my LGBTQRZ artists!
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
the saddest part is the wave after wave of programs and toys aimed at teaching every kid to code (and we have to reach girls too, make sure all girls code!)
but now the value of being able to code at a junior to mid level is very low on the market; and none of the people who simply learned the basics can contribute, you'll need to have built a more systematic fluency with the entire tech stack in order to be valuable.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Better not be the artists. If there’s one area where Blizzard excels its art.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Ah yes the "we only want people with 20 years of experience" job listings.
At some point everyone was a junior- something corporations tend to forget.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
No kidding.
Despite blur collar jobs having union representation and it sometimes spills into public battles, I dont a sense the avg person gives a shit unless they are one of the people working the job. I dont think the avg person cares much for all the crazy LBQT stuff either. But for some reason, left leaning LBGT hot topics got lots of traction the past 5-10 years (even among politicians), while the factory work transitioning to overseas or automation the past 40 years is kind of accepted as part of society.
Probably has to do with factory guys being pretty quiet (aside from strikes) as they arent the type do do endless social media campaigns and cancel culture. But a pink haired person will do that all day on Twitter.
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ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
that was already a major hiring issue, to be sure -- every job looking for pre-existing experience
But it's considerably worse now with AI. I can speak from experience on the other side of the equation, that where I would have added a junior person to my current team in prior years, now just 2 of us higher level developers can do the work of an entire team, by having AI churn out all the first-draft low level & boilerplate for every project or task. A junior's ability to just do basic clean code doesn't really amount to any value added now.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Ya, hiring only vets isnt new. Some companies hiring juniors or new grads. Some dont. I've worked at both kinds of companies. Typically the larger the company with way more roles to fill they are open to newbies as they need someone to fill the seat. A small leaner company or dept can afford to look for an experienced person.
If techie kinds of people are having a hard time, one advantage they have over other roles is they can do offline work or make websites or portfolios of their work. Or prove they can do different kinds of programming or hobby work on their own time using freeware tools.
You cant do that if youre in sales, finance, marketing etc.... Youre job is based on actual company stuff and tools.
Halo is Back
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It's only going to get worse. Megacorps are all too happy to take jobs away for A.I. so they can save a few bucks and it will continue to spread into other industries until we have an unemployment crisis.
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StereoVsn
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But does it matter if the C suite gets a bonus at the end of the year. Future worries for Future executives since CxOs can jump ship with a golden parachute
.And yeah, a lot of junior jobs especially in a bunch of white collar industries are disappearing. And it’s starting to creep into mid range. Plus PMs and mid level managers get cut due to AI bullshit… resulting in super stressed workers and remaining PMs/managers.
What the f are companies going to do in 10 years with current boomers and older Gen X retiring? See the first paragraph.
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
Yep, been saying this for last 2 years. I would have had like 4 junior engineers on my team but can’t hire them because CoPilot/Github/ChatGPT even at say $100-200/month (for several apps plus tokens) per mid to senior devs are cheaper vs hiring people.
The situation sucks and getting worse.
Edit: For “Learn a trade” people, besides clear issues with it in the first place, robotics is getting to similar point as LLMs in say 2019-2020.
In 5-10 years you will have a senior plumber or electrician come out to a job with a robot they will once again do the work instead of apprentices. Keep in mind that a ton of small trade businesses in US is being bought up by private equity now days. Shit is going to get dystopian pretty fast.
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ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
good point, this does seem feasible; I hadn't thought much about the impact on trades because those require the expertise of a human who can look at the situation and make a smart choice, but indeed if it parallels what we're doing in software engineering jobs, it makes perfect sense that we'll just see one knowledgable plumber or contractor supervising an assistant robot to the labor that was done by multiple human assistants.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Yeah, and it’s likely we will have $50k -$100K robots being able to do those jobs (with supervision ). No complaints about overtime , no issues climbing into attic running cable, no problems with inhaling fumes and so on.
It’s kind of scary the effect it will have on blue color work (white color work will be majorly fucked by then).
And I think we will see similar advances in medical field, from nursing to doctors.
Except this time it doesn’t look like there will be other fields to absorb these unemployed workers. You are taking about potentially tens of millions people in US alone and hundreds of millions world wide without work, u able to provide for their families and angry.
Oh and in US they got guns.
Nickolaidas
Member
I think this is a perfect, spot-on analogy. Well said.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Thought the thread title was Weird Al is Already Taking Jobs...
And I was like
THIS MAN MUST BE STOPPED
And I was like
THIS MAN MUST BE STOPPED
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
AI has the potential to give skills to people lacking in specific sets that this is unavoidable
First thing coming to mind is my lack to actually draw anything and to look remotely good, but that's something AI can fix, guess the artists are the firsts who fall as their job "could be replaced by AI" and that's just the start
First thing coming to mind is my lack to actually draw anything and to look remotely good, but that's something AI can fix, guess the artists are the firsts who fall as their job "could be replaced by AI" and that's just the start
ChorizoPicozo
Member
There is a viral video of someone asking bodybuilders if they are natural. The vast majority are not. Why? because if they want to be competitive, they need to "enhance" themselves.
The same is going to apply in game development
a person without talent using AI:
A person with talent using AI:
ScHlAuChi
Member
Not scary at all, as this is only useful for prototyping simple ideas.
To make big optimized bugfree games this is absolutely useless!
AI will never replace real developers.
Felessan
Member
As scary as first wave of automatization, that eliminated hella lot of job (document flow, accounting and other paper jobs)
Someone always has to control this stuff and do a complex stuff out of capabilities of automatization. And... actualy work as translator - all this stuff - put proper keys, put clarifications blablabla
I bet half of "what if it never happened" low accountant now works as "business analyst" whose sole task is to interpret from language of business people talk to a language IT understands. It's not even proper BA job.
A.Romero
Member
Back in 2020, very few people would have thought that only 2 years later the AI industry would go crazy with the release of ChatGPT. It's been less than 3 years since that release and the advancement has been crazy.
Right now, those tools have a very real use application and can improve the efficiency of almost any worker that has to compose e-mails, analyze data, write text and even code. Creative jobs can benefit greatly. If you haven't integrated these tools into your workflow yet, you are missing out. Last night my boss asked me to prepare a presentation with a process to implement these kind of tools quick on our business. He wanted it for Tuesday. I've been thinking of this for a while but I only had a bunch of ideas, notes and book excerpts. I thought I would have to dedicate today and Monday almost entirely to that. I ended up doing it in less than 2 hours because I leveraged current (and kind of free) tech.
People thinking that the workers that can be replaced by current tech is limited are right. However, the level of investment and focus on these tools has no precedent in human history. The development speed of this stuff is amazing.
You can't predict the future thinking of what's available right now, you need to estimate based on trends and speed of innovation. If you understand the basis of what's happenning right now, you can easily tell that we are looking at the fundamentals of something that will turn the world upside down. A lot of people will be replaced for sure and if society doesn't focus on this quick, the transition will be pretty painful.
Don't fear it. It's coming anyway. It's too big and too trascendental to stop it. Embrace it and see how you can keep being relevant for a longer time. With any luck, you will reach retirement before you become obsolete.
If you have children think of their future. Isn't something like what we see in the movies worth striving for? Imagine having to deal with one single assistant to obtain all the data you might need to produce whatever you need to perform your job. AI assistants will be a layer on top of the software we are familiar today and will be aware of all that data in a way no human simply can.
Is our current economic model really worth keeping how it is? I see most people suffering because of late stage capitalism, this can be a game changer if we wield it right. Imagine a post scarcity economy. Imagine humanity being free of being obligated to perform tasks to survive. Imagine being able to devote your life to whatever you really want to do without being concerned about paying rent, insurance and food. That's a future we can have if we really want to.
All of this of course doesn't make sense if you are thinking of past and current models. How many peasants really thought the world could function without a monarchy? They simply lacked the vision because they didn't have the elements. Thinking about the future based on current constraints or keeping the status quo just doesn't make sense.
Right now, those tools have a very real use application and can improve the efficiency of almost any worker that has to compose e-mails, analyze data, write text and even code. Creative jobs can benefit greatly. If you haven't integrated these tools into your workflow yet, you are missing out. Last night my boss asked me to prepare a presentation with a process to implement these kind of tools quick on our business. He wanted it for Tuesday. I've been thinking of this for a while but I only had a bunch of ideas, notes and book excerpts. I thought I would have to dedicate today and Monday almost entirely to that. I ended up doing it in less than 2 hours because I leveraged current (and kind of free) tech.
People thinking that the workers that can be replaced by current tech is limited are right. However, the level of investment and focus on these tools has no precedent in human history. The development speed of this stuff is amazing.
You can't predict the future thinking of what's available right now, you need to estimate based on trends and speed of innovation. If you understand the basis of what's happenning right now, you can easily tell that we are looking at the fundamentals of something that will turn the world upside down. A lot of people will be replaced for sure and if society doesn't focus on this quick, the transition will be pretty painful.
Don't fear it. It's coming anyway. It's too big and too trascendental to stop it. Embrace it and see how you can keep being relevant for a longer time. With any luck, you will reach retirement before you become obsolete.
If you have children think of their future. Isn't something like what we see in the movies worth striving for? Imagine having to deal with one single assistant to obtain all the data you might need to produce whatever you need to perform your job. AI assistants will be a layer on top of the software we are familiar today and will be aware of all that data in a way no human simply can.
Is our current economic model really worth keeping how it is? I see most people suffering because of late stage capitalism, this can be a game changer if we wield it right. Imagine a post scarcity economy. Imagine humanity being free of being obligated to perform tasks to survive. Imagine being able to devote your life to whatever you really want to do without being concerned about paying rent, insurance and food. That's a future we can have if we really want to.
All of this of course doesn't make sense if you are thinking of past and current models. How many peasants really thought the world could function without a monarchy? They simply lacked the vision because they didn't have the elements. Thinking about the future based on current constraints or keeping the status quo just doesn't make sense.
A WIRED investigation finds that major players like Activision Blizzard, which recently laid off scores of workers, are using generative AI for game development.
Non-paywall link...
Original article...
AI Is Already Taking Jobs in the Video Game Industry
A WIRED investigation finds that major players like Activision Blizzard, which recently laid off scores of workers, are using generative AI for game development.www.wired.com
Post in thread 'The gaming industry was really healthy the last few years what's going on now?' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/the-...ars-whats-going-on-now.1662047/post-268543606
chromhound
Member
So that mean we're not getting rushed incomplete games right?...
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
For now it's only useful for that. Also what games launch optimized and bug free nowadays?
The problem is if people move on to the next type of work and it also gets automated so they move on to the next, but it also gets automated, so they go to a third job, but- well, you get the point. There's also a limit on the amount of manual labour jobs that will be created. It will be an interesting future nevertheless.
There is a viral video of someone asking bodybuilders if they are natural. The vast majority are not. Why? because if they want to be competitive, they need to "enhance" themselves.
The same is going to apply in game development
a person without talent using AI:
A person with talent using AI:
I'm not worried for the talented people, they'll always be useful. I'm thinking more about the ones who are less skilled and have less demanding roles. Let's say you have ten employees in a department, but then you get AI tools that enable three people to run it perfectly fine. That will be easy math for business owners.
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ScHlAuChi
Member
The current LLM based stuff wont ever get much better when there is no training data.
Those models are trained on existing public sourcecodes - how exactly does that help to generate completely new game code that the model has never heard of?
Sure, but who is going to debug a game that was made by a LLM?
Do you just tell the AI to fix a bug? Good luck with that!
How do you automate game programming or game design?
"Hey ChatGPT, make me GTA!" ?
The only thing you can probably automate in the future is asset generation, 3D Models, Materials, Audio etc...
Current AI is only good at things that have an answer which is not right or wrong, but is subjective. So Art, writing, voice, etc. Anything where it has to be 100% accurate it can't compete at all. So great at doing prototype code, but not usable for a final product or maintenance. If you have a job where the output is subjective, that's where you have to be afraid for your job longer term.
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