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Zenless Zone Zero ༺*|OT|*༻ Gotta Waifu 'Em All ♡(੭´͈ ᐜ `͈)੭♡

Probably a minority in here, and that's fine, but I hate all of these sweaty combat modes. I enjoyed the tower (where it's mostly about surviving and winning) much more than timer related DPS checks.
Did you try lost void? It's not really a endgame mode unless you're at intensity 9, and even then it gets easier every run thanks to the permanent upgrades; I'd say the endless tower gets more difficult than lost void intensity 9 at floor 20+.
 
for most games , especially Genshin, I do whatever is required for the gems and I’m out lol,
In ZZZ I try a *little* harder but I no longer have the patience I did when I was younger lol, after a few attempts I’ll leave it as is and revisit it when I have newer/more powerful characters
 

Aenima

Member
Probably a minority in here, and that's fine, but I hate all of these sweaty combat modes. I enjoyed the tower (where it's mostly about surviving and winning) much more than timer related DPS checks. I've just seen and experienced this type of shit in so many games now, I don't have the desire/time to grind gear to hit the thresholds needed. I especially don't like fighting the same things but a little bit tougher for scores.
Same, content based on DPS in gachas is pay to win content, and i just do the bare minimum with what i have to get some rewards and then never touch these game modes again.

The new hollow zero mode i enjoyed as you can keep upgrading and getting stronger, the other mode where you need 3 teams i managed to get 5 stars or whatever so i just missed the polycrome reward for 6 stars, above that the rewards is just trash. And with 20 days to refresh new rewards its another game mode i can forget.

The tower could be fun, but once again HoYo greed just made sure i completed the 1st 15 stages and dont bother with that game mode again as all rewards above that are trash.

Just completed the 5th chapter main story and this is where this update shines. Was the best piece of story from the entire game, and it was quite meaty as well.

Now im just spending my polys on Miyabi engine banner cuz Miyabi will most likelly be the last character i pull in this game as im about to drop it once WuWa comes to PS5.
 

Aenima

Member

Btw Ray Tracing is available in all PS5s, not just the Pro. Just did a test run aound some cities and performs better than i expected, but performance takes a noticable hit, didnt test it in combat as mostly is just Ray Traced reflections, so not really worth it the performance hit.
 

vkbest

Member
PS5 pro version is worse than PS5 one now. The latest patch fucked the performance. With RT is even worse
 
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Pejo

Gold Member
Edit. Also, looks like they're adding skins.


I see that they're using the Genshin formula of making the optional skins even more censored than the default designs. I don't understand how HoYo gets skins so backwards. They're supposed to be enticing, not just different colors. This one is free, so you can give it a pass, but we should be getting bikinis or different themes or something like that, not palette swaps with the tits covered up.
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Pejo Pejo I agree with you on BS timers, DPS checks and stupid scores, as well as stuff which is not rewarding you for how good you play in terms of understanding how the game works and how to utilize everything the combat system has and be properly rewarded for it. And yeah, DMC is the right game to look at and borrow things from as well, but for some stupid reason MHY just loves these BS timers, DPS checks and scores nobody gives a flyin' fuck about✋:messenger_weary:

I think the game needs a proper combat tutorial like really good modern fighting games have, where you can learn each character, team compositions, how they work, how to properly fight, how to cancel things, how to counter and dodge, when to switch to other agents, how you need to build your teams, which bangboos do what and how you should pair them etc. etc. And yeah, I'm all for combat mode with rewards for how good you play and understand the mechanics without BS timers and scores tied together into a one giant and furstrating mess👎

They should look at the challange tower in the first Onimusha for example, which has one of the most rewarding gameplay in the game where your skill can trully shine and when you beat it.... well, I'm not gonna spoil it... just in case:messenger_relieved:
Yep and even if they didn't want to do a tutorial, it'd be worthwhile for them to create fights that force you to learn the mechanics through gameplay. Like have a challenge mode where getting hit by a "flash" attack (orange or red) will insta KO you, so you have to pay attention and use dodge only for red and defensive assist only for orange to get through the mode. That's a bit of an extreme example, but at least it puts learning mechanics at the forefront. There's lots of things that they could do to bump the challenge in the game without making it a DPS race for every single endgame mode. I don't know how they keep falling into this same trap with all of their games. Probably some despicable revenue reasoning for it, if I had to guess.
Did you try lost void? It's not really a endgame mode unless you're at intensity 9, and even then it gets easier every run thanks to the permanent upgrades; I'd say the endless tower gets more difficult than lost void intensity 9 at floor 20+.
I did, and it's the better of the new endgame stuff, but you and I both know this is just Elysian Realm with a ZZZ flavoring. It's a mode that's fun until you realize it's another weekly chore added to the list that changes minimally over time. The only real advantage is that it lets you try out characters kits if they weren't hampered by game balance and were just made with having fun in mind.
Same, content based on DPS in gachas is pay to win content, and i just do the bare minimum with what i have to get some rewards and then never touch these game modes again.

The new hollow zero mode i enjoyed as you can keep upgrading and getting stronger, the other mode where you need 3 teams i managed to get 5 stars or whatever so i just missed the polycrome reward for 6 stars, above that the rewards is just trash. And with 20 days to refresh new rewards its another game mode i can forget.

The tower could be fun, but once again HoYo greed just made sure i completed the 1st 15 stages and dont bother with that game mode again as all rewards above that are trash.
Agreed. I just don't want more "chore" modes added that you obligated to complete for pull income. If these were one-off modes I'd hate them a little less because like you said, I just want to get in and get out with my polys.

Tower is such a missed opportunity. They went against their typical agenda and let you have a mode that was actually difficult, not just superficially gated by timers and ballooning HP. In my opinion, they shouldn't have killed rewards at level 15, but should have capped it at a certain level. Then each patch they release another 15~ levels with unique challenges designed to push your shit in, not just 20 billion HP and a 3 minute timer. I don't mind fighting and failing if it's something that I can overcome with skill and practice. That's why people love stuff like Souls games after all.
 

Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
Edit. Also, looks like they're adding skins.


This is the redline for me. Not spending any money on skins ever.

I did, and it's the better of the new endgame stuff, but you and I both know this is just Elysian Realm with a ZZZ flavoring. It's a mode that's fun until you realize it's another weekly chore added to the list that changes minimally over time. The only real advantage is that it lets you try out characters kits if they weren't hampered by game balance and were just made with having fun in mind.
I mean, yeah, when you get all the rewards the only incentive to play more is to try the new Gear and effects for characters that have them. But honestly, if they'll replace (and they absolutely should) weekly standard HZ with 8000K points with BF Purge points instead, I'm all for it cuz it's a lot more fun to play, the final boss is miles better than the flyin' flower and you can try other characters, provided they'll add new Gear for each and everyone of them in the game (again, they absolutely should).
 
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So did tv mode get removed from everything? Thought it was just new content but I’m far behind and I haven’t done tv mode once.
 
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Ok tried Deadly assault Bringer again after raising Miyabi a bit more and did it, maybe I just needed to build her up more lol
Funny how a core passive and couple skills boosts makes the difference. Couldn’t get past 18k, just did 24 easily
Miyabi, Grace, Lucy lol whack ass team
 
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sodstall

Member
So did tv mode get removed from everything? Thought it was just new content but I’m far behind and I haven’t done tv mode once.
I believe chapters 1-3 had their array modes retooled with combat staging but you can turn them back on in the commission selection menu. Chapter 4 was already pretty light on array mode, very straight forward setups. I have yet to do anything story related since 1.4 dropped. Think hollow zero is still array mode focused. I like array mode, i think it just gets slowed down by dialogue a lot of the time when its story stuff. I like the challenge of the rouge-like/lite stuff in the operations but it gets little attention.
 

nnytk

Member
I've reached out to ZZZ support because the game is available in Belgium on the Epic Games Store/Launcher - but not on PSN.

It's weird since the official Benelux PSN Twitter/X account announced this game, and there is a Belgian/Dutch PSN page but the game is unavailable to download.

I wonder why it takes them so long. If it's on Epic it should be on PSN too... Honkai and Genshin are also available on PSN, but I want to play ZZZ...

Ugh, what a mess.
 
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Spyxos

Gold Member
Can't wait to get Evelyn:messenger_horns:

The neat thing about her btw and Idk if you guys noticed, but she starts the fight with her jacket, but then she throws it away and continues the fight without it:messenger_sunglasses:

P.S. According to the leaks, we'll get 30 free pulls when 1.5 launches and there's going to be Ellen and Zhu re-run.
I love those small details.
 

Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
Finished the story. I still think that each story update is at least 2-3 times less longer than it needs to be and before you know it, it's already the end. It feels like watching an episode of 25m anime which contains 50 episodes (like they used to be back in the 80s and 90s), except here instead of waiting for the next day to see the next one, you have to wait almost 2 months :messenger_weary:🫴

Too much stuff crammed into one story update and like 80% of it didn't get the attention it deserves to explain and show everything properly, like who did what, why, what was their motive and true intention etc. In the end it leaves a lot more questions than answers... and not in a good way I don't think, especially cuz you have to wait for so long... to have even more questions. Do I keep myself clear? I hope I do.

In anime there's some filler episodes here and there, sure, and you're not gonna get 50 episodes of story stuff, but at least you've 50 days and episodes you can watch every day.... Uh, anyway, I just don't like this approach to storytelling in gacha games.
 
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Aenima

Member
Felt forced to pull for Miyabi engine, she felt incomplete without it. After equiping the engine and level it up to lv50, even with zero crit damage stats from my disks, so my Miyabi only has around 60%crit damage but has 80% crit rate. Tested her again in Deadly Assault against Bringer. My best score was 17k, now with the "complete" Miyabi did 22k and scored the extra star i needed for the total 6 stars. Now i can forget this game mode exist untill the rewards refresh... if im still playing the game by then :p
 
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Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
Well... 🫲 :messenger_mr_smith_who_are_you_going_to_call: 🫱

She's M3 now:messenger_bicep::messenger_open_mouth:

I didn't expect to get M3 in just 12 searches after losing 50/50 to Koleda. But that's enough, no more pulling until Evelyn is out, only resource farming to lvl up her up.

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1st DA is eating dust now with 28K+ points:messenger_horns::messenger_angry:

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Only one medal left to get.

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BF Purge is such a cool new endgame content. Just finished a few runs going for Yanagi gear and it alters her so much. Like, you can literally attack infinitely in both of her stances and one gear even replaces special attack stipper pose with flying lightning when Ynagi flying in the air and raining down a lightning shower, it's a bit less accurate but it works great against multiple enemies. Just imagine what this mode will turn into if they'll add Gear for absolutely every character in the game. Hot daaaamn, it can turn into almost endless and the absolute best endgame content in the game period (but it kinda already is tbh) and we're about to get the best major event in 2 days with puzzles, layered levels, agent skill upgrades and such. ZZZ has never been better(y)

Hopefully they'll add an option to reset Into the Pale Wasteland event progress and let us play through it again just like we haven't played it and I'm okay with one time rewards for the first playthrough only. This event looks way too good, varied and cool to be just one time thing you can't access anymore after it's done. Ya hear, MHY, make it happen!👈 :messenger_open_mouth:
 
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Spyxos

Gold Member

I just met her ingame, I don't think many people will want to get her.

She's M3 now:messenger_bicep::messenger_open_mouth:

I didn't expect to get M3 in just 12 searches after losing 50/50 to Koleda. But that's enough, no more pulling until Evelyn is out, only resource farming to lvl up her up.
Damn, gz to m3! And really struggeling with Deadly assault. Peh


Dude, this gacha game hates my guts. I fucking lost the 75/25 on Miyabi's weapon, going all the way to 80 tapes, and then I spent an additional 40 pulls and still no w-engine. 120 tapes which was Evelyn's fund down the drain and on Xmas day! XD


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oh wait :D

I lost on her weapon banner too, and took me 70 or 80 pulls.
 
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Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
I just met her ingame, I don't think many people will want to get her.
How should I say it... She's not bad as a character really, it's just her gameplay looks way too boring and she's a support character which for the most time will be off field. Like, the other problem here is that they launch her with one of the most bad ass characters in the game from the visual standpoint and as if that's not enough, her combat kit and gameplay is infinitely better as well.

I probably won't be pulling for Evelyn's W-Engine cuz in two days there'll be F2P W-Engine with Crit Rate substat and there's one in paid NESF so I'll have two options to choose from and I'll have Crit DMG discs from the new set + they're giving free tickets to not waste energy on disc farming each week so I'm good.

Dude, this gacha game hates my guts. I fucking lost the 75/25 on Miyabi's weapon, going all the way to 80 tapes, and then I spent an additional 40 pulls and still no w-engine. 120 tapes which was Evelyn's fund down the drain and on Xmas day! XD
Holy shit ma man:messenger_face_screaming::messenger_anxious:

I haven't lost any 75/25 yet on this channel, but it ALWAYS eats up almost all the tapes needed and it's irritating. Which is partially why I won't be pulling for Evelyn's W-Engine next month. I think at this point it's better to just stop now and save all you get until mid February for Evelyn, plus, since you lost 75/25 you'll have 100% guarantee on her W-Engine, if you'll manage to get her and luck will be on your side here. I mean, I know it's easy for me to say, but I mean it. Uh, if only we could gift each other some polys, tapes and shit in the game to try end help a bit... :messenger_sad_relieved:

Damn, gz to m3! And really struggeling with Deadly assault. Peh
Given that I outdone 20K req by almost 9K (and Aenima Aenima did it without 3 dupes), it turns out that you don't really need her dupes that much for this mode. DA is just pure shit not matter how you look at it, cuz it's nothing more than a DPS check and you'll get shit rewards as a "bonus". Just don't bother, dude, BF Purge is infinitely better and you can max out all 80 lvls in a few days if you want and get all the rewards - that alone kills and destroys DA - fuck it 24/7.

Getting 3 dopes of Miyabi was totally not my plan, I was trying to lose 50/50 to get a guaranteed Evelyn next month and then throw a few tapes I have left to waste less next month, but the game deceived to "fuck me over" on that and say fuck you to my plan. I mean, who would've thought that I get 3 dupes? In almost 5 months since release it just never happened and I lost plenty of 50/50s and I'm not happy about it. I'm not counting dupes of standard S rankers cuz from the looks of it, almost nobody is happy do get them and I'm not an exception.

Anyway, I don't know how to explain it, but what I know now is that I should stop and aim for Evelyn no matter what with everything I'll manage to save and gather from this point forward.
 
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I have never played any of these types of games like Geshin etc. Do you have to spend actual money to play and progress?
nope, in fact if you start playing zzz now, and finish all the story content, you'd have more than enough resources to get the currently strongest character in the game pretty easy
 

strike670

Member
nope, in fact if you start playing zzz now, and finish all the story content, you'd have more than enough resources to get the currently strongest character in the game pretty easy

Can you just pick any character you want to start off with?

Any recommendations?
 
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Can you just pick any character you want to start off with?

Any recommendations?
No, there's a couple of free characters, but by doing content you get resources for pulls on banners.
Every 10 pulls you are guaranteed to get an A rank which is either a weapon or a character, so as you dump your resources into a banner to get the S rank, you'll get a bunch of A rank things.
There's probably like 40+ hours of content now, so that's a ton of resources for the limited time s rank banners.
Ignore the standard banners unless you have standard tape currency for them.
 

Thick Thighs Save Lives

NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Holy shit ma man:messenger_face_screaming::messenger_anxious:

I haven't lost any 75/25 yet on this channel, but it ALWAYS eats up almost all the tapes needed and it's irritating. Which is partially why I won't be pulling for Evelyn's W-Engine next month. I think at this point it's better to just stop now and save all you get until mid February for Evelyn, plus, since you lost 75/25 you'll have 100% guarantee on her W-Engine, if you'll manage to get her and luck will be on your side here. I mean, I know it's easy for me to say, but I mean it. Uh, if only we could gift each other some polys, tapes and shit in the game to try end help a bit... :messenger_sad_relieved:
It's all cool as I half expected this to happen knowning my shitty luck in this game since the very start. It's just that when these things happen it kinda puts me off the game.

I'm already having way more fun with Wuthering Waves, and lately with Genshin Impact as well, so I think I'll just do the bare minimum in ZZZ (dailies and weeklies) going forward until Evelyin's banner drops in the game.
 

Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
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Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
Fuck yeah! Now that is almost exactly what I wanted, love the hell out of this event so far!:messenger_grinning:

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I thought there were new skills and stuff, but turns out it's the same gear basically as in the BF Purge, but whatever, it's all cool. I REALLY HOPE that the events like this will be what the future of the game holds for us and that in each event like this we can play as other agents, get new gear and stuff and explore more unique hollows like this one, but with different stories, characters etc. Honestly, it's even better than what we had with Rally missions cuz it actually has a long story, plenty of lore and overall unique designs as well as gameplay variety now that we can control Eous (Clank style). And the rewards, holy shit, there's almost enough for 20 free pulls - this is how rewards should be and look like in the endless tower too, but alas, they're complete POS at the moment, hence I won't even bother playing it, wasting my time and killing nerve cells which can't be restored.
 
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No way in Hell i can get 3 Stars with Marionette, barely getting 16k points.

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I’m in the same boat, 3 stars on the first 2, and 2 stars on Marionette. Around 18k, I’m building up haramusa and will try again, currently have anby in the 3rd spot with Zhu and Nicole.


Edit.
Went back to endless tower now that Miyabi is built.
Welp, I’m legend rank now. Funny how it was much easier with her hahahaahahaha
 
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Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
There's a few stuff left to do but for the most part I finished Into the Pale Wasteland event.

Overall, it's a step in the right direction but not a perfect one. For example side stuff is not that interesting to say the least and it's repetitive - go here, fight / find some stuff and bring it back, solve very light puzzles, fight some hordes of enemies in one place horde mode style etc. On the other hand rewards are good so I guess you can do all this stuff and be okay with it. But going forward I think they need to fine tune everything they did here, ballance it right, make it move varied and interesting in terms of what you do outside of the main story.

Also, for the love of god, Trial modes must not even be a thing for people who already have characters, but what we have now is tedious button switching and confirmation boxes and then team rebuilding from scratch which is not fun and bad. I mean, I completed 99% of the event with my own agents at lvl 60 which was very fast, but then I thought... Well, why not try Trial mode just to see.... and OMG it takes way too long to fight and kill stuff.

Moreover, I already see people who won't like this event if they don't already have characters, cuz it'll take them way too long to complete everything and given the repetitive nature of it all... yeah, that might turn some people off and say they don't like this stuff, which is completely understandable. Anyway, again, it's a step in the right direction, but more fine tuning is definitely needed.
 
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mpgeist

Member
As someone who took a break and came back, the new event Pale Wasteland warns me that I should be caught up on story before I start it. Should I ignore that and just jump in? I'm still on Chapter 3, but the rewards would be helpful right?
 

Spyxos

Gold Member
As someone who took a break and came back, the new event Pale Wasteland warns me that I should be caught up on story before I start it. Should I ignore that and just jump in? I'm still on Chapter 3, but the rewards would be helpful right?
It has a bit of a story, and it would be ideal if you played it in the right order, but as far as I can see it seems to be a permanent mode. But I would probably do it right away, the rewards are quite good and it's also fun to level up the characters.
 

mpgeist

Member
It has a bit of a story, and it would be ideal if you played it in the right order, but as far as I can see it seems to be a permanent mode. But I would probably do it right away, the rewards are quite good and it's also fun to level up the characters.
I was reading up on it and I guess there's a good W-Engine that you can only get during the event part of it. So I think I'm gonna just bite the bullet and play it out of order.
 

Agent_4Seven

Tears of Nintendo
Should I ignore that and just jump in? I'm still on Chapter 3
I was reading up on it and I guess there's a good W-Engine that you can only get during the event part of it. So I think I'm gonna just bite the bullet and play it out of order.
I don't think you should jump in until you finish Chapter 4 and 5, which can be easily done since there's still 20+ days left. Just focus on the story stuff and ingnore everything else.

Thanks for the code. I was a bit too late on this one. :lollipop_pensive:

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Oh, no worries ma man, you've missed nothing good. It's been 10 polys and other crap you can get in 10s:messenger_relieved:
 
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