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Zero Time Dilemma (Zero Escape 3) featured in Famitsu
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I must admit I'm not really up on some phrases used these daysWhat is bae? She's a babe?
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check out the Zero Escape Wiki
http://zeroescape.wikia.com/wiki/Zero_Escape:_Nine_Hours,_Nine_Persons,_Nine_Doors
http://zeroescape.wikia.com/wiki/Zero_Escape:_Virtue's_Last_Reward
those are summaries of the first two games, but there's also a ton of in depth information on that Wiki for pretty much everything ZE
PurpleMaster
Member
Hahaha, that's exactly how I want it!
MegaMelon
Member
It's not that I don't see why people would be pissed with Akane but all she's done in the series is try and save herself then the world. Due to this I dislike it when she's painted evil especially since Ukikoshi said that our idea of morals and right/wrong don't apply to her. Will be interesting to see this addressed in game.
Dandy Crocodile
Member
I mean, her actions are wrong, but they benefit all of humanity in the end and once we hit the right timeline nobody even remembers the bad stuff she did save for a select few.
So it's...good?
MegaMelon
Member
Other side of the coin would be is it better to sacrifice most of humanity and potentially destroy any chance of advancement in exchange for not having a small group of people experience awful things? Bearing in mind those same people may well have gone and died or had worse things happen anyways thanks to the world going to hell.
I'd probably say she's "good" but I'm approaching this from a numbers point of view. All of humanity vs a small group. Interesting to think about though!
grim-tales
Member
For the greater good.
The greater good.
Maybe you could say she's a good intentioned extremist?
Sumio Mondo
Member
Thinking about it,
I thought that Junpei never found Akane until the events of VLR? Is this a retcon?
PurpleMaster
Member
Not quite.
This piece of information was given in the 999 Q&A, done BEFORE VLR was even a thing. In VLR it wasn't directly said, but not denied either. Clover's information that Junpei was looking for Akane was outdated, since she was kidnapped before the events of ZTD.
grim-tales
Member
It don't have to be a retcon, it could simply mean, that for some reason, the event at the mars mission testsite could be different from the previous ones.
Sumio Mondo
Member
Hmmm, still smells of retcon to me considering Uchikoshi's comments after 999 release and the events of VLR. I hope things line up well with VLR...getting a bit worried now.
Wasn't VLR in development when that Q&A came out though? I remember it came out a few months after 999 came out.
I don't think it's going to be a retcon though. I think there will be some kind of player swapping shenanigans going on here.
OniBarubary
Banned
You can do the right thing and still be a manipulative bitch.
If you save the world but you do it by putting people through an emotional murder game you're still a bit of an asshole. Ignoring that taking 999 at face value she emotionally fucked with a bunch of people to save her own skin.
If you save the world but you do it by putting people through an emotional murder game you're still a bit of an asshole. Ignoring that taking 999 at face value she emotionally fucked with a bunch of people to save her own skin.
What he meant was
he was still looking for *his* Akane, the one he remembers. But she no longer exists, and so he never finds her again.
So, you see, what he said makes sense. From a certain point of view.
p.s. I may or may not be serious
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
grim-tales
Member
Someone emotionally fucked with her and a bunch of other kids big time though. Not saying that makes her actions "right" but still.
The real question is..... Did SHE kill all the bunnies in elementary school???
MegaMelon
Member
999 I'll give you. But in VLR/ZTDs case what way is there to save the world without going through with the current plan? I think we're looking at this from the wrong perspective. It's not Akane doing this stuff happily but rather because there's no other choice.
She mentions in VLR that she wants nothing more than to spend her life with Junpei but she sacrificed that to save the world. I'd argue she's a "dark hero". Individual acts may not be right but long term they're the "right" thing to do.
I don't even think she was that bad in both games.
In 999 she
Her position comes down to players deciding if you think harm of a small amount of humanity to save the greater amount is wrong or right and it's definitely a difficult debate.
In 999 she
had assistance from multiple participants while the other participants held nothing against her by the end except for the monsters who created the paradox in the first place and let's be real, they deserved what happened to them.
In VLR, her methods may be questionable but what's doing is for the greater good and many would agree with her way rather than just ignoring the problem. She also had half the participants as willing ones so the only people it's understandable that dislike her would be Clover, Alice and Junpei.
In VLR, her methods may be questionable but what's doing is for the greater good and many would agree with her way rather than just ignoring the problem. She also had half the participants as willing ones so the only people it's understandable that dislike her would be Clover, Alice and Junpei.
Her position comes down to players deciding if you think harm of a small amount of humanity to save the greater amount is wrong or right and it's definitely a difficult debate.
OniBarubary
Banned
I'm not condemning her at all. If I played SAW with 10 people and as a result I stopped the fall of civilization I'd feel justified but I also wouldn't argue if a dude I made eat his own hand called me an asshole. I'd be both things.
UberTag
Member
More than likely. Helped cinch the hooks into Junpei so he would do what she needed him to do later on.
For all of the talk of Junpei never finding "his Akane" again, I would counter-point that "his Akane" was a complete fabrication from Day 1. That she was never his. That she was always manipulating him to serve a greater good. And that he grew attached to this idealized version of her that never existed in the first place.
Sorry Jumpy. Life's a bitch.
grim-tales
Member
You know what..? That actually did cross my mind the first time I saw the ending of 999
I don't think she did as at the time it seems so out of character for the sweet girl Junpei knows, but then... hmmm. I dont think it was her.Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Yeah, I asked about this the other day. We should have it by now. Not sure what's going on with it....
PurpleMaster
Member
At this point there's not much meaning in revealing it in Black & White, if not for completion's sake.
Still, who knows.
What surprises me is no official announcement for the ZTD presentation during GDC, since there's one week or less left. What about press? Have they been briefed on the location and time with the solemn promise of keeping everything under wraps?
Yep, feeling pretty lucky in that respect. You guys have been waiting for years D:Imagine you played this game in 2012 and lived three years with the firm belief there would be no sequel.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
You think that's bad? Try being a massive Zero Escape AND Shenmue fan! After a major cliffhanger at the end of Shenmue II I had to wait 14 damn years for an announcement of Shenmue III!
On the flip side, imagine how ecstatic I was to have both games revealed within a few weeks of each other after so long. Both are miracle games! ;_;
infinitys_7th
Member
Hilariously, I finished VLR the week before the announcement of ZTD. I had not intended to play it (because I hate cliffhangers, ZE3 was not supposed to ever happen, and 999 had a suitable ending) but it was on sale on Amazon and I was craving a VN.
Damn lucky there. I whooped for joy when I heard.
I agree. Junpei loves June/Kanny, the girl he knew, Akane on the other hand is the
all-seeing all-knowing being.
You know, Uchi has said that
it's not clear whether or not she's disappearing out of existence, or actually *jumping* in those scenarios. I know the former is commonly accepted, but I think he basically said the latter interpretation isn't explicitly wrong. And/or, either may be true at given times. Having played VLR first, I personally love the idea of Kanny's fever sometimes being bc of her testing her jumping powers/familiarizing with her abilities. And she's disoriented when she's just "arrived" to a new 999 timeline, and has to get her bearings. She could also be coming to grips with the emotional implications of all the time shit she's capable of, whereas she's pretty hardened in VLR and desensitized.
Funyarinpa
Member
My guess is that they had planned to release the image of Q this week and have us all wonder who that pig-astronaut-kid was. 9 Participants revealed, everybody thinks it's over and we wait for the trailer.
And then, without anyone expecting it, they tweet out the mugshot of Plague Doctor next week. That would have hyped everyone up because we wouldn't have known if he was just another Participant or Zero.
Not sure what happened, but looks like Spike-Chunsoft/Famitsu ruined their plans and it doesn't really matter anymore. Now the wait for the trailer has started, less than a week away
edit:
Of course they were, but I think they didn’t know about it when they started releasing the mugshots on a weekly basis. The US and the Japanese marketing plan might not have been perfectly aligned.
Spike-Chunsoft went with an 8-page article in Famitsu that was featured in the front of the magazine; that’s the old but reliable way of announcing a game in Japan. it’s possible that Famitsu could give them those 8 pages now but not in the next few issues because other games were already booked for those pages or something and Spike-Chunsoft just went for it.
Funyarinpa
Member
That reminds me, I need to get working on that 4infinity commemoration thing I was planning
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Anyone skilled with photoshop that can ZTD-ify Ducky? (Or maybe we should wait for the trailer)
I think we should wait until we have some better quality art. Putting on Zero's awesome looking mask would be a great idea for all our avatars....
My guess is that they had planned to release the image of Q this week and have us all wonder who that pig-astronaut-kid was. 9 Participants revealed, everybody thinks it's over and we wait for the trailer.
And then, without anyone expecting it, they tweet out the mugshot of Plague Doctor next week. That would have hyped everyone up because we wouldn't have known if he was just another Participant or Zero.
Not sure what happened, but looks like Spike-Chunsoft/Famitsu ruined their plans and it doesn't really matter anymore. Now the wait for the trailer has started, less than a week away
I really doubt that Aksys wasn't aware of the article in Famitsu.
I am super torn about whether or not to watch any footage that may emerge at GDC. I went into both 999 and VLR totally dry and it was an amazing experience. Watching footage of this game is either going to 1) spoil the story, 2) spoil puzzles, or 3) be mundane, because if it does neither of the prior, it probably wont be very exciting.
80% done, and been in development for roughly a year (probably, based on when 4infinity happened). At that rate, assuming a consistent development pace, it should take another 3-4 months for the final 20%and we could have it come August...
...but that assumption is probably totally bogus and 80% was probably pulled out of nowhere.
80% done, and been in development for roughly a year (probably, based on when 4infinity happened). At that rate, assuming a consistent development pace, it should take another 3-4 months for the final 20%and we could have it come August...
...but that assumption is probably totally bogus and 80% was probably pulled out of nowhere.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
This thread has become huge! The thirst is real.
Vlaphor
Member
Talked to Karen Strassman (Phi) today at Naka-kon and asked her if she'd done any voice work yet for part 3. Her response was "Not yet, but hopefully soon". Take that as you will. Then she autographed my copies of VLR and Persona 4 Golden that I bought earlier that morning since I left my copies at home and didn't have time to go get them.
PurpleMaster
Member
I won't have the strength, I WILL watch the trailer I've been craving so long.
Still, I won't overanalyze it. When VLR's trailer came out, people started pausing it at every frame and that kind of spoiled some things. I won't do that, nor watch any footage of a puzzle room.
But I see how wonderful it is to go in blind. I envy the people that will play the trilogy as a whole. I went blind into 999 and it was gorgeous.
As for the 80%, I believe it. When Famitsu revealed VLR, the game came out roughly 6 months after in Japan. If this is an indicator, August/early September is a plausible thing, although I hope that the (in)correct listing of Amazon.fr and Amazon.de that says 29 June is still a thing, but I wouldn't bet my head on it.
I remember that VLR US release date was leaked on Amazon at the time........
So then, August release maybe?
PurpleMaster
Member
Didn't Aksys_June say that the dub was already done? Or was she referring to the Jap one?
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Phi an imposter confirmed.
Seriously though, no way would they not have started doing voice work for her yet. I'm not sure what to make of her comment....
Dandy Crocodile
Member
Yeah, Aksys said voice recording is done.
She's either lying and can't talk about it, thinks she can't talk about it, or not involved.