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Zoe Quinn #meToo / Alec Holowka suicide -- Update: Article questions ZQ's account of events (link in OP)

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Dthomp

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And more reason that Twitter should not exist. Some people are not wired in a way that they should have access to something where they can spew out something like this (that if true should have gone to police not twitter) and people just run with it regardless of truth. If true then accused deserves whatever LEGAL punishment comes, however if this is a hoax (which is VERY likely cause of source), he's ruined anyways.

I for one can't wait for the video game future where its just feminists and soy boys making games and the industry crashes harder then the Atari years. I'm so sick of this shit I could die.
 

MiguelItUp

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Yeaaaah. Not saying it is or isn't true. But I WILL say that while knowing Zoe has a bizarre track record that certainly isn't clean by any means, Anita having that locked and loaded doesn't make it look better for the situation. It just felt way, way, WAY too prepared...
 
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Whitesnake

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I’m not going to believe a thing Zoe “Five Guys” Quinn says unless I see a shitload of evidence, and seeing as no evidence has been presented whatsoever I doubt that’ll happen.

That being said, the guy who made NiTW is an AnCom furry male-feminist, so seeing his beloved cancel culture eat him alive is quite funny.
 
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Herr Edgy

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Thanks for the read. I didn't believe people were honestly capable of being 'hidden assholes' like this until I met my first gf. Fantastic first two months, a desasterous third month in which she continually used her crocodile tears to make me shut up about things I wanted to calmly speak about with her that I didn't quite like, ignored me and in the end broke up via text claiming domestic abuse, which never happened, then ghosted me so I couldn't even get any kind of explanation.
For the first couple months of dealing with the emotional rollercoaster I figured it might be some kind of weird misunderstanding that we could just clear up if she would just talk to me once, so I made the mistake of contacting just a couple of the people around her, who never heard anything about this stuff. She ignored two mails I sent over the course of two months, but responded to my third where I made it clear how this entire thing bothers me still and that I'd like to just clear things up for once so I could get her out of my head. She responded to nothing of that, but to the fact that I contacted a couple of her friends and threatened to sue to me for 'defamation' - even after I made it clear that I'd have been okay if she lied as long as she admitted it now. And that from someone who I trusted very deeply before, to whom I opened up in a way I never opened up to anyone before. She's also someone who needs to be center stage in her student teams, dyes her hair an amazing red (looks great, but y'know, it's attention seeking too) and for some reason or another the main character in her first bigger student project turned out to look just like her (I doubt it was her idea but she certainly is great at making others fancy her).

This shook me for quite some time and it was a huge motivator for me to question life, people and myself. I learned a lot about people and how deep the hidden abyss can go.

I don't really know anything about this Zoe Quinn and I think some of the posts here are deragatory, but at the same time this story about Alec Holowka feels way too one-sided for me to just 'believe'. She isn't claiming rape (from him, afaik), she is claiming abuse in an otherwise consensual relationship. While this, if true, is really bad since I know how that feels like, it's not the same as rape. Delicate situations in relationships can become very tricky and evolve into something where perspectives differ completely. This is not supposed to mean that abuse or rape would be acceptable as long as the perpetrator thinks he is doing good; introspection is key and mandatory. But it's easy to mix up signals when people become dishonest with each other and this can spiral out of control very quickly. If she is a known liar or narcissist, this certainly doesn't give me grounds to take her story, if true or not, at face value.
 
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Hypereides

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The timing of this and Sarkessian's tweets seems so weirdly coordinated or at the very least opportunistic. I think Quinn might've seen an opening with the current accusation on Jeremy Soule and took it.

Quinn has such a dubious history that she really needs to provide some hard evidence to corroborate her claim.
 
"Believe women" is a damned ideological religious conditioning slogan.

How about, listen to all evidence, testimony, and believe in due process.

Like normal people who are not zealots and grifters trying to sell you something, do.
You're not being a very good ally, now drink this 55 gallon drum of soy latte....DRINK IT!
 
Herr Edgy Herr Edgy Glad you've become aware of this. We all have a dark side, or as Carl Jung put it, a shadow. If you're not acknowledging that part of yourself, it will become toxic over long periods of time. And I think narcissists in particular are prime examples of negation of the inner landscape; all they are concerned about is the surface of themselves and the others. They are in reality, very shallow people. We all experience traumas in our lives, but that doesn't mean they should be excuses to ruin other people's lives. One has to recover from it. And one has to feel a sense of self-worth, otherwise it's a done deal. There's a reason why sanity and sanitation come from the same word root.
 

Herr Edgy

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The timing of this and Sarkessian's tweets seems so weirdly coordinated or at the very least opportunistic. I think Quinn might've seen an opening with the current accusation on Jeremy Soule and took it.

Quinn has such a dubious history that she really needs to provide some hard evidence to corroborate her claim.
I don't think this train of thought is fair. Just how we come together to discuss news that pop up, coming forward with something that's been on your mind for some time but couldn't quite openly discuss becomes much more likely due to not feeling as helpless and alone. I'm sure there are people out there that make use of controversy for publicity's sake, but people coming forward when others do shouldn't be a surprise or be seen as opportunistic by default.
 

Herr Edgy

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(Can't edit previous post, 5 minutes are over, so here goes a new one):
E EightBit Man Thanks and I agree. I didn't behave perfectly in the relationship either, I became jealous and without intention made her feel bad in various ways, too, and I know that some trauma I have was responsible for that (probably me having little sense of self-value due to my father being a cunt, so having a loving gf for the first time gave me the much longed for feeling of love) and I dislike what I did, but at the same time, I was trying to talk it out while she wasn't. Her background from growing up in a dysfunctional family; a drug addicted mother (back then, she's a great person) and basically without a father, too is, I'm pretty sure, the major factor that molded her into the narcist that she has become.
After the entire ordeal I started seeing the abusive behavior from her for what it was and started being more selfish. Not egocentrical, mind you, but just more aware and caring for myself. Not letting others do as they please when it concerns me.

What it also made me aware of however is how important constant self-evaluation and improvement is. People change, people can redeem themselves, but this won't happen unless one properly examines oneself. Someone who doesn't ask himself 'Am I in the wrong here? How did what I did come across? Did my pride get in the way?' and similar questions won't improve as a person, ever. In the end, the situation helped me grow as a person, so I'm thankful for that. Even if I'm still somewhat bitter about it.
 

Petrae

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F this industry. F all of it. Drama queens everywhere. It's all about this social media attention whoring and politics now. Fn social media. Everyone telling off everyone and pointing fingers at each other, acting like they're all high and mighty, and flawless. Fn come back down to earth again. We're all fallible. Everyone's quick to send the other to the guillotine. So many lies. So much controversy. So much shit. I don't know who or what to believe.

No wonder I miss the 80s and 90s. God.

Video games are forever tainted thanks to this trend. Social media is a vehicle for quick and easy attention, while “video game journalism” is always thirsty to break that next controversial story that will generate clicks and revenue.

There will never again be a high-profile game that won’t be loudly criticized unless it checks all the right sociopolitical boxes. Not a female lead character? Your game is sexist. Why isn’t there LGBTQ representation in your game? Are you transphobic? Where’s the African-American representation? Or the Arabic representation? Is that female lead we demanded showing any skin? Objectification!

We just had arguments about video game violence 25 years ago, and that was a far more sane time. I miss those days. And, hell, video game magazines didn’t focus/capitalize upon every little fucking controversy. There wasn’t enough space in a magazine, and readers wanted game-specific information... not bullshit like we see now.
 

brap

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Video games are forever tainted thanks to this trend. Social media is a vehicle for quick and easy attention, while “video game journalism” is always thirsty to break that next controversial story that will generate clicks and revenue.

There will never again be a high-profile game that won’t be loudly criticized unless it checks all the right sociopolitical boxes. Not a female lead character? Your game is sexist. Why isn’t there LGBTQ representation in your game? Are you transphobic? Where’s the African-American representation? Or the Arabic representation? Is that female lead we demanded showing any skin? Objectification!

We just had arguments about video game violence 25 years ago, and that was a far more sane time. I miss those days. And, hell, video game magazines didn’t focus/capitalize upon every little fucking controversy. There wasn’t enough space in a magazine, and readers wanted game-specific information... not bullshit like we see now.
I wish everybody would just fuck off and make fun of me for liking video games again

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Outrunner

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I don't know. I don't want to doubt what she is saying but on the other hand, knowing how she is I wonder if this isn't more of a case of Zoe seeing someone sharing their experience with abuse online and trying to make it about herself, because everything has to be about Zoe Quinn.
 
In my country, we have a popular saying:

When it happens one time, thats life for you.
When it happens two times, you should stop and reflect about yourself and the life you have been leading.
When it keeps happening? Yeah, maybe the problem lies with you and not others.

Obviously, being true, we all know what has to follow; and let justice be swift and severe.

Yet, the saying still stands.
 
the guy who made NiTW is an AnCom furry male-feminist

Urgh, I didn't know this. I liked NitW.

I mentioned in the other thread (the other rape one) today about separating art from the artist, but I detest this furry movement, it's truely pathetic. Where does it come from? Humans have always dressed up as animals through the millenia, but what is it with game developers living like animals.

Fuck that shitty game now.

Edit: Had to Google AnCom and I got photocopiers, a web design company, and a cult. Hmm, wonder what one it could be...
 
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In my country, we have a popular saying:

When it happens one time, thats life for you.
When it happens two times, you should stop and reflect about yourself and the life you have been leading.
When it keeps happening? Yeah, maybe the problem lies with you and not others.

Obviously, being true, we all know what has to follow; and let justice be swift and severe.

Yet, the saying still stands.

We have a similar saying in my country

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Hypereides

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I don't think this train of thought is fair. Just how we come together to discuss news that pop up, coming forward with something that's been on your mind for some time but couldn't quite openly discuss becomes much more likely due to not feeling as helpless and alone. I'm sure there are people out there that make use of controversy for publicity's sake, but people coming forward when others do shouldn't be a surprise or be seen as opportunistic by default.

I would've given Quinn more benefit of doubt if this happened way back when GG was on the rise. Things have changed since then and she's been involved in some questionable cases. I'm just trying to be rational and critical.

According to her testimony this happened "a few months into making video games" which suggests it happened earlier and before GG. GG was 2014 and the #MeToo movement was 2017, according to Wikipedia. Why didn't she do it during #MeToo? Wouldn't the #MeToo movement have been the more apt choice to come forth? or GG? Especially, with all the claims of sexism and harassment in the industry. Why now? There were practically two very convenient moments she could've spoken up about this.

During #MeToo there was a flood of women coming forth which empowered and encouraged other women to stand up and speak about their experiences. Even during GG when every media outlet had her back she could've spoken up without fear. Yet, of all possibilities, she chose to do it now. That's peculiar or at the very least somewhat questionable.

Does that seem unreasonable to you? I mean, you came fresh off an article about how effectively manipulative and deceptive some people can be (in this case narcissists) and you're trying to tell me this consideration seems in some way invalid.

If I have to be fair this isn't an exclusive trait to one gender. Both sexes can be extremely manipulative.
 
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Scopa

The Tribe Has Spoken

Theory:

The two sexual assault allegations and Anita Sarkeesian stepping in is a coordinated action.

Probably masterminded by Zoe and Anita together as both were rapidly losing relevance and freeloading income.

This is an attempt to pump up the bank accounts of the two and also to completely infiltrate and gut the gaming industry and transform it in their own mold. That being shitty games as far as the eye can see that make no money.


Bonus theory: That “E3 leak” controversy from a week or two ago was also a coordinated attack on the industry with the same goal, destroy and conquer. Cuck gaming writers are also in on it.


*sips scotch from tinfoil hat*
 

Herr Edgy

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H Hypereides
I have no problems with you estimating this specific instance to be opportunistic, your statement just made it sound as if this 'coming forward when others do' is inherently an opportunistic trait.

As for this instance, #metoo was or is not a gaming specific movement, so when someone in the gaming industry, with a name attached that means something, steps forward, I think it's more likely that someone who didn't do so before in the games industry will now decide to come forth (not defending Zoe here, just arguing the point). I didn't mean to say that having doubts is wrong, just that we should still always try to be fair on a case by case basis and not lump some opportunistic, lying people with some others who could have potentially come forward at some better timing. We are all just people in the end and we make mistakes, so missing the first best timing or even the second best should't be questionable on its own. If you think Zoe Quinn is questionable for various reasons, then go ahead and doubt her. Hope I made my point clear.
 

Iorv3th

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In my country, we have a popular saying:

When it happens one time, thats life for you.
When it happens two times, you should stop and reflect about yourself and the life you have been leading.
When it keeps happening? Yeah, maybe the problem lies with you and not others.

Obviously, being true, we all know what has to follow; and let justice be swift and severe.

Yet, the saying still stands.


“There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.”
 

Danny Dudekisser

I paid good money for this Dynex!
Yeah, but it looks as if this time around she didn't get any fries with those five guys.

Oh, man. That reminds me of when she flipped out at Nintendo for using the term "five guys" in one of the Paper Mario games, and took it as a direct attack on her and the oh-so-difficult life she's had. There's no sense in listening to someone like that.
 
Has anyone posted the actual accusation yet? It's bonkers:

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That last sentence. . .I'm not sure that is possible. Does he have orangutan arms? I'm fairly sure that Quinn is short, so the geometry seems impossible.

This reads like some sort of bizarre fanfiction. Just from hearing these sorts talk, they tend to love weird BDSM e.g. Bex. I have to wonder if they "like" it because it gives them the ability to come back later and claim it was all actual abuse. Hell, insults are a part of some BDSM play - just ask Mumkey Jones.

It's best to wait for more evidence - immediately jumping to defence is as bad as unconditional belief in accusations.

But reading REE it was guy who posted stuff like this



So i guess left wing projection power at work :)


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llien

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...maybe some people here need to take a step back and look from the outside. the reactions posted here are super alarming and disappointing....

Welcome to real world. This is what people on the other forum actually think, but dare not express.
 

llien

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Men:

1. Get married
2. Have sex only with your wife
3. Follow the Mike Pence thing: never be alone with a woman who is not your wife
4. Be happy and never have to deal with this shit.
5. Profit

The first guy to be exonerated with DNA test was nowhere near the accuser:

The list, I guess, does reduce the probability of getting into trouble, nevertheless.
 
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