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Zoe Quinn #meToo / Alec Holowka suicide -- Update: Article questions ZQ's account of events (link in OP)

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Gamernyc78

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You read some shit even by ppl in certain positions and it's straight hypocritical. Fact of the matter is a peanut gallery shouldn't have amassed to condemn or vindicate a person without any proof. When tht happens the natural response is another group coming to the defense and showing everything isnt black and white. From past experience we all know Zoe has had issues both with power tripping, mental and lying, hence ppl doing tht detective work to show we cant take her word at face value. What's hard to understand? I think most ppl on here were trying to point out tht her word shouldn't be taken at gospel and thy both had issues. His suicide is a tragic circumstance of a jury being out, it effecting him without all the evidence being out there. The other forums saying fuck tht he's guilty and she's our queen because she has a pussy, now thts sad.
 
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Shodan09

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Fucking HELL. All she had to do was take the L and stay OFF THE FUCKING INTERNET. Professional con artist Zoe Quinn who has yet to release her game or show any real evidence of it gets to walk away freely from a man being dead. His hopes, dreams, ambitions. Gone. He's either in the fucking ground or getting burnt into dust.

She immediately spun it about herself and said she isn't going to speak about it anymore? I don't approve of dissing her personal image or disrespecting her in that way but a man is dead and you're dismissing it?

Crazy how she deactivated her account immediately after the news broke but during the initial stages of you know what she endured the abuse and stayed throughout it. Almost like she knew she holds some form of guilt but even then she's just pretending it's not real.

This woman thrives on the internet and she refuses to quit it because without it she would have nothing. She has no game to show, and only gotten into the comic industry because writing scripts for them is as easy as making lengthy Twitter threads when you have someone else doing the artwork for you.

It's nice that people like her and the girl that falsely accused Andy Signore get the luxury of choosing not to talk about the situation anymore.
 

Pidull

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More proof she cannot be trusted. It wont hapoen but she should be blacklisted and charged for defamation. She is vindictive and untrustworthy. Dangerous to work with and in general a clear liability in the workplace.
Let people continue to hire her and continue to fail.

Everything she touches is a commercial failure, and she is already fading into irrelevancy, as evidenced by her pushing someone to suicide in order to get a small boost to her Patreon numbers. Soon, she will be completely forgotten. Sometimes, I absolutely adore capitalism.

These "activists" always disappear eventually. Sooner or later she'll be another Jack Thompson, except she won't have a law school education to fall back on.
 
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Foamy

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It's such a joke to me that she automatically labels anyone who criticized her as misogynists.
I love strong independent women. I think girl gamers are awesome. (I raised both my daughter's as gamers)
Powerful and successful women rock.
I just happen to hate this ugly, opportunistic psychotic bitch.
 
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Debil-Inks

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Not sure if this was already shared, trying to keep up.

Glad to see comics news website doing their job properly, and sad to compare it to vg news sites.

Let people continue to hire her and continue to fail.

Everything she touches is a commercial failure, and she is already fading into irrelevancy, as evidenced by her pushing someone to suicide in order to get a small boost to her Patreon numbers. Soon, she will be completely forgotten. Sometimes, I absolutely adore capitalism.

These "activists" always disappear eventually. Sooner or later she'll be another Jack Thompson, except she won't have a law school education to fall back on.

The process can still take some times to have any visible effects.
 

FrostyJ93

Member
Could she be right and telling the truth? Sure but based on released stuff odds are she isn't. She seems rather dangerous to work with now.
 
Sympathies, man. I've only had a couple relationships, but they were flawless and drama less aside from just drifting apart.

I can't imagine someone using something said or done against me like that. Trust of the foundation of any relationship, and that kind of betrayal is brutal.

No worries, long in the past.

As soon as I got the police involved never heard from her again.

People and relationships can be a nightmare. But the opposite can be true too.
 

VertigoOA

Banned
Could she be right and telling the truth? Sure but based on released stuff odds are she isn't. She seems rather dangerous to work with now.

Could be true. Could be she’s a fraud. Time will tell.

People are noticing trends and being suspect.

And we just so happen to be in a time where internet rumors floating around since 1994 have went from myth to fact. So nothing surprises me. Bryan Singer is the worst kept secret in Hollywood and everyone knows it. People have been drivers to his parties and heard things... his time will come.

It’s just strange to me for a good looking girl to serially accuse men of rape and gain fame from it as well.

I say this because I had an ex call the cops and accuse me of shit the day I stopped giving her money. I was shocked when I went thru that so why can’t I say “trust no woman” just as Anita seems to propogate? Oh, because it’s not in fashion ... I see. Figures.

Both men and women are necessary for humanity to move forward. The trend to in society trying to invalidate and condemn men is twisted.

Men and women don’t even perceive logic the same... it’s not a bad thing... it’s how life works.
 
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EviLore

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Could be true. Could be she’s a fraud. Time will tell.

People are noticing trends and being suspect.

And we just so happen to be in a time where internet rumors floating around since 1994 have went from myth to fact. So nothing surprises me. Bryan Singer is the worst kept secret in Hollywood and everyone knows it. People have been drivers to his parties and heard things... his time will come.

It’s just strange to me for a good looking girl to serially accuse men of rape and game fame from it as well.

There are photos of Singer hosting some kind of explicit casting pool party with underage boys, it’s pretty out in the open at this point.
 

VertigoOA

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There are photos of Singer hosting some kind of explicit casting pool party with underage boys, it’s pretty out in the open at this point.

I have a buddy in the indie wrestling scene who did odd jobs for celebrities at conventions in the city. Mostly just minor bodyguard duties and being a driver.

He’s driven people to his parties.... and those stories are a decade old by now. And I have no reasons not to believe one of my closest friends either... anectdotal or not. There’s so many stories out there.

They got Epstein and Weinstein. They need to get singer. I’ll be upset because Gandalf is also part of his cult of disgusting shit but so be it... as long as Harrison Ford is hero I want to believe he’s always been... I’ll be happy.
 
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EviLore

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I have a buddy in the indie wrestling scene who did odd jobs for celebrities at conventions in the city. Mostly just minor bodyguard duties and being a driver.

He’s driven people to his parties.... and those stories are a decade old by now. And I have no reasons not to believe one of my closest friends either... anectdotal or not. There’s so many stories out there.

They got Epstein and Weinstein. They need to get singer. I’ll be upset because Gandalf is also part of his cult of disgusting shit but so be it... as long as Harrison Ford is hero I want to believe he’s always been... I’ll be happy.

Epstein went down (surely involuntarily) protecting countless powerful people, most of whom will never face justice. It's a fucked up world we live in underneath the facade of civility and enlightenment.
 
Danny O'Dwyer...

I remember unsubscribing from his documentary channel (noclip) when he put out this video:


Go and ask a fraud about the history of FMV games, not the creators of titles like The 7th Guest, Myst, or Night Trap... No, you have to ask Zoe Quinn all about that.


Her "ins" in the industry like this that just make her seem ever more bizarre.

AFAIK, she has made one short game years ago, has had a few consults on similarly small games, and did a Kickstarter which she has yet to deliver on. Why is she presented as being so important and treated like a VIP? How does someone without any track record of success get positions at Marvel and the like? She clearly was never "blacklisted" like she claims Alec was doing to her.

To compare to a similar case, Brianna Wu has actually made more (and arguably better) media than Quinn, and she gets a fraction of the spotlight.
 

brap

Banned
Why is she presented as being so important and treated like a VIP?
She got in trouble having sex with people for reviews remember?
Remember all those ugly nerds you went to school with? The ones that didn't really have any friends and were really into gaming? Those guys run the industry now. They';; do anything for attention and sex from women.
Danny o Dwyer's (from noclip) fiancee (the female kind) left him on their wedding day. He is still friends with her to this very day because he's a pathetic worm with 0 self respect. Guys like that run everything in gaming these days.
 

Danny Dudekisser

I paid good money for this Dynex!
She got in trouble having sex with people for reviews remember?
Remember all those ugly nerds you went to school with? The ones that didn't really have any friends and were really into gaming? Those guys run the industry now. They';; do anything for attention and sex from women.
Danny o Dwyer's (from noclip) fiancee (the female kind) left him on their wedding day. He is still friends with her to this very day because he's a pathetic worm with 0 self respect. Guys like that run everything in gaming these days.

No, they don't. They are still shit on from a great height.
 

SLB1904

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Resetera is disgusting. Bunch idiots I'm glad I requested perma ban from that shit. It was so obvious that there is people out there that will take advantage of these clowns(social media TWITTER warriors for their on gain. There is a lot o luggage coming with this zoe Quinn. Or she's completely unlucky that this things only happen to her. Or she's a piece of shit whos taking advantage of these idiots internet warriors.

I really don't care if I get banned. There is a lot people out There with real problems
Racism. Rape paedophilia etc. Now if they come out there will be people doubting them because of this shit show.
Victim my ass
 
There are photos of Singer hosting some kind of explicit casting pool party with underage boys, it’s pretty out in the open at this point.

Where are the parents in all this? Or can't they see past all they money they, oh sorry their kids can possibly make?
 

buizel

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Where are the parents in all this? Or can't they see past all they money they, oh sorry their kids can possibly make?

I can't remember the Singer situation (as in the parents opinions), but in regards to Michael Jackson, the kids who would stay over at MJs to be molested. The parents knew about it but we're basically kept silent with money and expensive gifts bought from MJ to 'borrow' their kid
 
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Bitmap Frogs

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Resetera is disgusting. Bunch idiots I'm glad I requested perma ban from that shit. It was so obvious that there is people out there that will take advantage of these clowns(social media TWITTER warriors for their on gain. There is a lot o luggage coming with this zoe Quinn. Or she's completely unlucky that this things only happen to her. Or she's a piece of shit whos taking advantage of these idiots internet warriors.

Remember when slacktivism was just some silly shit to make fun of? It's become vicious as fuck.
 
No, they don't. They are still shit on from a great height.
They don't run the publishers or development studios, but they sure seem to be the norm in game journalism and their extreme left wing political views are exclusively pandered to by marketing, character designers and writers.
 
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Thank God for neogaf, if there wasn't a place to discuss this (and let's be honest, nobody else is) hearing all of her bullshit would drive me insane.

"Gonna tweet as I owe it to my coworkers"

But isn't going to finish (or probably even start) the Kickstarter game cos reasons.

Every decision she makes is financially motivated.
 

Rien

Jelly Belly
These people also have a history of fabricating death threats to make themselves look good. Her allies during GG even made a fake child pornography board on 8chan (complete with actual pictures of children) to start the narrative that 8chan support child porn.

Is there a legit story behind this? Like proof?
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
Hello everyone! It's not the reason why I've registered but I have some frustrating (at least to me) thing to say related to this case.
Week ago on bombcast (giantbomb) they were discussing this matter and obviously siding with Zoe without a shadow of a doubt at all.
Once I've only hinted in the chat to maybe keep it objective since the other side is dead(!) and cannot explain himself and she might not be the most trustworthy person based on her past... I've got permanently banned from giantbomb on sight. 10 years of subscription, active gold member and wow - I've got permanently banned from using chat, commenting and some other functions for suggesting objectivity and waiting for law to sort this out.
I have to say I am shattered - I love giantbomb and loved chatting with folks there but now it'a all gone to me... and I have gold sub purchased for next year in advance.
Not sure if this is the right place to report this - if not, sorry and please delete ! ... I would hate to be banned from yet another community.
As for the rest of the discussion here in the last few pages - that noclip documentary is super weird. She only made 1 crappy game and she is some holy developer now?
 

Hudo

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You know, if the SCP Foundation were real, they probably would've contained here already and classified her as a cognitohazard, lol.
 
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Ar¢tos

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Comics are like any other business where they believe controversy sells. I feel bad for Tyler Kirkham in all this cause it’s not right to take a job away from him.
I'm not sure that having comics written by a psycho murderer is good publicity.
If she ever finishes writing any... It will probably be just like her game.
 

KOMANI

KOMANI
I'm not sure that having comics written by a psycho murderer is good publicity.
If she ever finishes writing any... It will probably be just like her game.
You know, instead of cancelling the book, I would just vote with my wallet. Maybe that’s stupid, I just know what it’s like to get a job and have it taken away from you because of your writer. I’m also not to thrilled about the demise of Vertigo Comics under Zoe. I admittedly have to do more research on that last bit though.
 

Rien

Jelly Belly
Shit, well okay. I'm gonna to try to do this from memory. For proof you'll have to scour old KF threads and ED (when and if it starts working again). Basically all gamergate discussion was banned from 4chan after a few weeks so many migrated to 8chan - a new site at the time. Now the idea of 8chan was to be like a combination of reddit and 4chan, same board structure as 4chan but anyone can make their own boards and can appoint their own moderators. Terrible fucking idea in retrospect - you end up getting the hivemind mentality of subreddits mixed with the 'I was only pretending to be retarded but oh shit now actual retards think I'm being serious' attitude of 4chan - but it seemed like a good idea at the time.

There's an entire story about what a shitshow gamergate turned into on that site (wherein different gamergate boards went to war with each other for absolutely stupid reasons) but that'll have to wait for another day. At the same time a new board started up called /hebe/, a board dedicated to underage jailbait pictures. Not actual child pornography just really fucking close. It's disgusting but I do need to point out that nearly ever single popular site ends up having this problem. The top Google result for reddit for several years was r/jailbait and tumblr basically nuked their entire site once they learnt of the problem.

Anyway at a certain point a man named Dan Olsen, who had publicly stated his stance as being very anti-gamergate, wrote a long-ass expose of how 8chan was harbouring paedophiles. And how this was somehow gamergate's fault? Again reddit had the same problem when it was started, 4chan created the fucking pedobear meme about the problems that site faced and most recently tumblr nuked itself over the issue. And again it was a legal....ish board featuring no nudity, any actual underage nudes where deleted under the sites rules (however due to the nature of 8's moderation this was admittedly often a slow process because 8chan was a bad idea).

Then weird shit happens. I can't quite remember the order of events off the top of my head, it's been a while. But if I remember correctly the stink Dan caused about paedophilia caused 8chan to be de-listed from Google's search results. Dan had downloaded some of the 'porn' himself and - I think - was trying to report it to the authorities. Anyway some channers looked at the images and found that they weren't actually pornographic in nature, Dan himself had blurred out the crotch area despite the underage girls being clothed (I feel really gross writing this by the way as I'm essentially having to defend possible peadophiles ogling at pictures of underage - but technically fully clothed - girls but that's the way shit goes.)

Some more digging happens and it's discovered that the person who founded the /hebe/ board and one of the head moderators was a person named Laureli Bailey, an incredibly infamous figure online with a rap sheet as long as my fucking arm. I'd say check ED but it's down at the moment so I'll try to sum them up briefly. Insane antics and stories follow in their wake. Infamous in the Channology community, on various chan boards and especially on reddit. Basically someone had figured out that the IP that had registered /hebe/ had also registered SJWiki and a few other sites all of which had Laureli's name on it. Also it's worth noting that Laureli themselves was an anti-gamergator.

Now it's hard to tell what exactly happened. There's a lot of contradictory information about this out there - plus a shitload has been deleted in the years since which is the time-honoured tradition of all the gamergate drama - but I'll try my best. It turned out that Laureli and Dan Olsen were... friends isn't the right word, acquaintances online and had communicated with each other before any of this went down. In a secret chat group. Which included Zoe Quinn. If I remember correctly it may have been the Crash Override Network logs but don't quote me on that, it may have been a different, earlier chat-group. It's worth noting that both of them were ex-communicated from said chat-group after this went down.

It's also worth noting that the pictures Dan Olsen downloaded weren't illegal, at least in America. However Dan Olsen lived in Canada where downloading said images is illegal. This lead to a lot of people making fun of him for being a paedophile (he wasn't he was actually either incompetent or stupid). However due to the nature of gamergate, wherein no one actually knew what was going on or what was real or fake, led to many people thinking Olsen actually was a peadophile, which he isnt (at least as far as I can tell) he's just a numbskull.

Either way it kinda worked and as a result traffic died on 8chan for a long time and the site's founder Frederick Brennan ended up abandoning the site soon after, leading to 8chan now being what it is today: where a mass shooter can post their manifesto and a link to a live-stream of their video of said massacre without any moderation stepping in to delete this shit because there is little to no moderation left.

Now there are many conspiracies about this due to the fact that Dan and Lauerli were in contact with each other before this all went down. There may even be some evidence that this was the two of them framing gamergate by... posting (near) child pornography...? Ugh. I haven't been able to find any evidence that actually shows that it was a set-up, including in the secret chat-log which Zoe Quinn was privy to. However the fact that both of them were in contact (in secret!) with each other beforehand is really fucking suspicious. If there's any more evidence to prove the guilt of either of them, or even contradictory evidence that might prove their innocence, I'm all ears.

Plus you asked for proof so here's some. It's worth noting however that the person who posted this is 'Sarah Butts' who if I remember correctly was also a massive paedophile and who, for some reason, was also in various chat-logs with Zoe Quinn. I can't remember her story of the top of my head though as the rather good video about them has been deleted in the years since. Maybe take this evidence with a grain of salt is all I'm saying.

Sheeeit. Seriously I've said it before but I was never a gamergator, I just dig a shitload of digging after finding out about Zoe's lies thanks to her mother casting shade on her autobiography. The whole thing was a fucking trainwreck in my opinion and really shouldn't have happened, at least in the way it did. That being said there's so many absolutely bizarre and fascinating storylines that come out of it when you read through the history of it that are kinda incredible in their own way. Shit, I haven't even told you about how Hulk Hogan figures into all this yet. Or about the time that Brianna Wu's life was threatened by a former-future marine armed with a BB gun. Who'd blamed Wu for crashing his car. A car which he'd been street-racing at the time. And by his car I mean his mother's Prius. This was also shortly after he'd sent one of friends to Israel to save 2pac.

All opinions and views are my own and do not reflect the views and opinions of NeoGaf's staff, administration or moderators. I might have got some shit wrong, it's been a while since I looked into it.


Well. I certainly got what I asked. Thanx for the write-up.

Quite the clusterfuck man. Gotta admit, I am not really sober at the moment so I have some difficulties trying to wrap my head around it lol :p but jeez
 

Rien

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That being said there's so many absolutely bizarre and fascinating storylines that come out of it when you read through the history of it that are kinda incredible in their own way. Shit, I haven't even told you about how Hulk Hogan figures into all this yet. Or about the time that Brianna Wu's life was threatened by a former-future marine armed with a BB gun. Who'd blamed Wu for crashing his car. A car which he'd been street-racing at the time. And by his car I mean his mother's Prius. This was also shortly after he'd sent one of friends to Israel to save 2pac.

Wait... what? Damn. Guess not being sober isn’t the problem. I’m not stoned enough for this shit
 
Is there a legit story behind this? Like proof?

Looks like the lolcow wiki I usually cite is down, which is unfortunate because it cited primary sources, but Dan Olson's and Lauralai Bailey's KF threads goes into it:



Laurelai also got involved with Gamergate, as he was the one who created the child porn board on 8chan which he then sent to Dan Olson (aka FoldableHuman) to make the hit piece about 8chan. Gamergaters saw through the ruse but even to this day the anti-Gamergate spergs love to bring up Olson's article, conveniently leaving out that Laurelai was responsible.

Basically, Lauralai made a board called /hebe/ on 8chan and uploaded photos to it, as well as encouraged discussion on an IRC on a domain she owned, as evidenced by the the following post and whois lookup:

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This board was then quickly cited, before being taken down by 8chan's mods, by Dan Olson as "evidence" of CP being on 8chan.

The wiki had even more info, but that is clear evidence of involvement of these anti-Gamergaters in a false flag.
 
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Punished Miku

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Her "ins" in the industry like this that just make her seem ever more bizarre.

AFAIK, she has made one short game years ago, has had a few consults on similarly small games, and did a Kickstarter which she has yet to deliver on. Why is she presented as being so important and treated like a VIP? How does someone without any track record of success get positions at Marvel and the like? She clearly was never "blacklisted" like she claims Alec was doing to her.

To compare to a similar case, Brianna Wu has actually made more (and arguably better) media than Quinn, and she gets a fraction of the spotlight.
She is important in Twitter drama and that's it. Its not much different than toxic people on REEE who post 10k times a month and come off as popular there. But in reality they dont do anything.
 
The majority of this thread has degenerated into an bizarre Qanon-esque conspiracy zone where Quinn is either a supernatural demon or is being protected by some mysterious ultrapowerful liberal/SJW illuminati and the entire world is in on it except for the NeoGaf community.

I don't think Holowka should have committed suicide: I think there was a path of redemption that he could and should have taken. At the same time, I don't see any particular reason to DOUBT the allegations against him either; keeping in mind that there's more than just Quinn accusing him and suicide doesn't exactly play well as an "I'm Innocent!" tactic.
 
I don't care much for violence, but most of those words make me what to bitch slap whoever is saying them.



My take on it is that it is a desire to appear African-American (therefore oppressed) online. It is literally a form of digital black face.

You are MASSIVELY overthinking this. Its literally just as simple as these terms and phrases becoming popular and common use in real life, outside of gaming forums.
 

petran79

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The majority of this thread has degenerated into an bizarre Qanon-esque conspiracy zone where Quinn is either a supernatural demon or is being protected by some mysterious ultrapowerful liberal/SJW illuminati and the entire world is in on it except for the NeoGaf community.

It is a Quinn-spiracy
 
The majority of this thread has degenerated into an bizarre Qanon-esque conspiracy zone where Quinn is either a supernatural demon or is being protected by some mysterious ultrapowerful liberal/SJW illuminati and the entire world is in on it except for the NeoGaf community.

So what is your explanation for articles about this all using the same odd language (Alec "died"), the sudden scrubbing of material related to Quinn's past from various websites, and the circling of the wagons by the game journalists to protect her?

I don't think Holowka should have committed suicide: I think there was a path of redemption that he could and should have taken. At the same time, I don't see any particular reason to DOUBT the allegations against him either; keeping in mind that there's more than just Quinn accusing him

Quinn accused him of sexual assault, but never actually said he assaulted her. Quinn's and Alec's records from that time show a mutually abusive relationship between two sick people, one of whom actually sought help for his problems.

and suicide doesn't exactly play well as an "I'm Innocent!" tactic.

Bullshit. People kill themselves when they lose their life's work all the time, and he lost everything including his family.

It is a Quinn-spiracy

 
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Cybrwzrd

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You are MASSIVELY overthinking this. Its literally just as simple as these terms and phrases becoming popular and common use in real life, outside of gaming forums.

I was born and grew up in the north. I have lived in the south for 10 years now, for most of my adult life. I refuse to say "y'all". There is no excuse for a lilly white person born north of the mason-dixon to say the word "y'all". It all comes from black twitter and a desire to look cool.
 

Knivess

Neo Member
The majority of this thread has degenerated into an bizarre Qanon-esque conspiracy zone where Quinn is either a supernatural demon or is being protected by some mysterious ultrapowerful liberal/SJW illuminati and the entire world is in on it except for the NeoGaf community.

I don't think Holowka should have committed suicide: I think there was a path of redemption that he could and should have taken. At the same time, I don't see any particular reason to DOUBT the allegations against him either; keeping in mind that there's more than just Quinn accusing him and suicide doesn't exactly play well as an "I'm Innocent!" tactic.

With respect, if you don't see any reason to doubt her accusations then i doubt that you've done much research on the subject.
 

Dr. Claus

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I was born and grew up in the north. I have lived in the south for 10 years now, for most of my adult life. I refuse to say "y'all". There is no excuse for a lilly white person born north of the mason-dixon to say the word "y'all". It all comes from black twitter and a desire to look cool.

Most of the Dakotas say that term and it has nothing to do with black twitter. The term "y'all" is common place across the midwest (regardless of whether you are north or south) and your strange and silly refusal to say the term is... well strange and silly.
 
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