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Media Create Sales: Week 52, 2015 (Dec 21 - Dec 27)

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Sandfox

Member
Oregano said:
To the bolded that's not what I recall. He was talking about what systems they(SC) are developing for and he mentioned NX. But that doesn't even mean they'll be doing so in a third party capacity, they develop the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon games.To the italicised the only case that's happened was Dragon Quest AFAIK. It was a one off occurence.

Also regardless of speculation as to what NX is and what that means for third party support I feel that even if it was a straight successor to the 3DS third parties wouldn't really be there on day one. They don't want to take the risk and 3DS launch burnt them bad.
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Who was actually burned by the 3DS launch? Companies that panicked and canceled titles? A 3DS successor would probably be the most popular platform outside of mobile.
 
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koutoru

Member
Tizoc said:
Err you'll excuse me for saying this, but the Idol business is popular in Japan so why wouldn't that appeal to more Wii U owners or consumers for this game?
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The audience for a games based on Japanese idol pop culture is on PlayStation.

GloriousBagel said:
People are still saying this? Lmao

Port Fire Emblem Fates to the Vita while you're at it as well. /s
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I'm saying it because it makes sense. What does Fire Emblem Fates have to do with this game anyway?
 
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Oregano

Member
Toadthemushroom said:
Ah yes, you're right. Must have gotten a bit too excited there.

I agree with your second paragraph, but then again nothing will ever top this, not even a new home console announcement: www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJXDOdFIs_0

Still, I maintain that Nintendo's biggest partners (Atlus, Namco, Square Enix, Level 5, Capcom) are working on NX games, or at the very least, ports of stuff that won't sell sustainably on PS4 alone. But whether we'll see many specialised exclusives is another matter. Platforms are converging and video games are becoming commoditised as every platform supports a lowest common denominator. 3DS really is the last of the old guard in that respect.
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Oh I'm not saying it will be a Wii U situation but people expecting NX to have all the third party games need to chill, there's no evidence of that. I also don't think NX being included in multiplatform stuff is a done deal. Wii U could have easily been included in lots of releases and it didn't even happen at launch.

Sandfox said:
Who was actually burned by the 3DS launch? Companies that panicked and canceled titles? A 3DS successor would probably be the most popular platform outside of mobile.
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Launch was innaccurate but companies burnt by early 3DS:
Capcom: They threw everything at the 3DS and now it's just MonHun and Ace Attorney.
Square Enix: KH3D, Heroes of Ruin and Theathrythm all bombed and SE backed off from the platform for a long time(especially in the west).
Namco Bandai: Tales of the Abyss, Ace Combat, Ridge Racer and Tekken all bombed.
Tecmo Koei: Dead or Alive dimensions bombed.
Level 5: Layton 5 bombed at launch and 3DS killed Layton, Inazuma Eleven and Little Battler Xperience.

...and those are all the companies people expect to line up for NX!
 
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And_Gignac

Member
Everything about FE was a clusterfuck. From the announcement, the release date, etc.

Time for us westerners to save yet another underapreciated gem!
 
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Kid Ying

Member
Aostia said:
So the wiiu goes out with a boom! Lets see it crater next week :/
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Next week is still holidays, you know.

And of course the 3rd partes will be there for the 3ds sucessor. I dont know why there is any doubt about it. For the next console its anyone's guess. For the wiiu, even the publishers that found mild success (squenix, tecmokoei and capcom) dropped out and the only japanese published that still releases anything for the system is Bandai namco, so i wouldnt hold my breath.
 
Mato

Mato

Member
Any updates on Minecraft Wii U's position on the eshop all-time chart? It's interesting watching it's speedy ascent to the top.
 
DR2K

DR2K

Banned
Oregano said:
Oh I'm not saying it will be a Wii U situation but people expecting NX to have all the third party games need to chill, there's no evidence of that. I also don't think NX being included in multiplatform stuff is a done deal. Wii U could have easily been included in lots of releases and it didn't even happen at launch.



Launch was innaccurate but companies burnt by early 3DS:
Capcom: They threw everything at the 3DS and now it's just MonHun and Ace Attorney.
Square Enix: KH3D, Heroes of Ruin and Theathrythm all bombed and SE backed off from the platform for a long time(especially in the west).
Namco Bandai: Tales of the Abyss, Ace Combat, Ridge Racer and Tekken all bombed.
Tecmo Koei: Dead or Alive dimensions bombed.
Level 5: Layton 5 bombed at launch and 3DS killed Layton, Inazuma Eleven and Little Battler Xperience.

...and those are all the companies people expect to line up for NX!
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Theatrhytm got a sequel on 3DS and neither DOA nor Tales of the Abyss bombed. The Tales Series and DOA series just did better on Sony hardware 3DS couldn't run those games (doa5 and most new tales of).
 
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crinale

Member
Melkr_ said:
Everything about FE was a clusterfuck. From the announcement, the release date, etc.

Time for us westerners to save yet another underapreciated gem!
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IIRC internet exploded with praise when SMT x FE was revealed. But if you mean the reveal of how #FE will be then I agree.
 
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Oregano

Member
DR2K said:
Theatrhytm got a sequel on 3DS and neither DOA nor Tales of the Abyss bombed. The Tales Series and DOA series just did better on Sony hardware 3DS couldn't run those games (doa5 and most new tales of).
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No, I'm fairly sure both of those games were specifically called out as having underperformed. IIRC Namco wanted Tales of the Abyss to sell 250K.

Also the Tales Vita games sold quite a bit worse than Tales of the Abyss
 
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Ryng_tolu

Banned
This was fast.
...Amazing week for all console all considering, and so happy about 3DS at +20m LT.
It's the 5° console to break this result, with DS, GBA, PS2, and PSP.


Bruno MB said:
And Splatoon is already at 1,2 million including eShop sales. I always thought that some past predictions were crazy high (>1,5 million) especially when it seemed the game showed signs of slowing down, but I will have to give this one to Ryng_tolu. But please, enough with flooding the boards about your expectations for Splatoon :p
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:p

Oh, and thanks.
 
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Vena

Member
Oregano said:
Launch was innaccurate but companies burnt by early 3DS:
Capcom: They threw everything at the 3DS and now it's just MonHun and Ace Attorney.
Square Enix: KH3D, Heroes of Ruin and Theathrythm all bombed and SE backed off from the platform for a long time(especially in the west).
Namco Bandai: Tales of the Abyss, Ace Combat, Ridge Racer and Tekken all bombed.
Tecmo Koei: Dead or Alive dimensions bombed.
Level 5: Layton 5 bombed at launch and 3DS killed Layton, Inazuma Eleven and Little Battler Xperience.

...and those are all the companies people expect to line up for NX!
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At some point, this is just becoming your pessimism rewriting history. Like 3DS killed games that Hino/L5 killed themselves with overexposure/poor managing or planning and milking... what? Capcom's diminished support has little to do with the 3DS, but their own decision to go head first into mobile and fail at it, wasting an enormous amount of money.

Regardless of who was or was not burned, the next handheld will be the only product to market that will act like a market leader, and companies do not worry about "being burned in the past" when they have products to bring to an unstable market. They will look to demographics, incentives, long term health, etc.
 
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Oregano

Member
Vena said:
At some point, this is just becoming your pessimism rewriting history. Like 3DS killed games that Hino/L5 killed themselves with overexposure/poor managing or planning and milking... what? Capcom's diminished support has little to do with the 3DS, but their own decision to go head first into mobile and fail at it, wasting an enormous amount of money.
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Maybe blaming the 3DS for the Level 5 series is inaccurate, it's more accurate to say those series died on 3DS. Capcom absolutely did get burnt though; Resident Evil Revelations definitely underperformed which is why it got a console port and the 3DS didn't get the sequel (EDIT: and Ex Troopers definitely underperformed).
 
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Vena

Member
Oregano said:
Maybe blaming the 3DS for the Level 5 series is inaccurate, it's more accurate to say those series died on 3DS. Capcom absolutely did get burnt though; Resident Evil Revelations definitely underperformed which is why it got a console port and the 3DS didn't get the sequel (EDIT: and Ex Troopers definitely underperformed).
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Revelations underperformed everywhere.

Revelations 2 didn't suddenly succeed without the 3DS.

You're trying to tie causation and correlation. I can go through your list and question a number (if not all) of points, or bring up complete counter examples for just about every developer. The 3DS has underperformed with some titles for some publishers, it has also met said publishers with successes. It is not some black-and-white binary fail/success reality.
 
Akhe

Akhe

Member
I guess I'm the only one who thinks #FE wasnt thaaaaaaat bad.

Day one!!

Melkr_ said:
Everything about FE was a clusterfuck. From the announcement, the release date, etc.

Time for us westerners to save yet another underapreciated gem!
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"Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah!"
 
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Colonel Mustard

Banned
Oregano said:
Maybe blaming the 3DS for the Level 5 series is inaccurate, it's more accurate to say those series died on 3DS. Capcom absolutely did get burnt though; Resident Evil Revelations definitely underperformed which is why it got a console port and the 3DS didn't get the sequel (EDIT: and Ex Troopers definitely underperformed).
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Yet Revelations outsold the console counterparts and EX Troopers bombed on the PS3 as well.

Maybe it's not the platform, maybe that's indicative of Capcom making unappealing games?
 
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Sandfox

Member
Oregano said:
Oh I'm not saying it will be a Wii U situation but people expecting NX to have all the third party games need to chill, there's no evidence of that. I also don't think NX being included in multiplatform stuff is a done deal. Wii U could have easily been included in lots of releases and it didn't even happen at launch.



Launch was innaccurate but companies burnt by early 3DS:
Capcom: They threw everything at the 3DS and now it's just MonHun and Ace Attorney.
Square Enix: KH3D, Heroes of Ruin and Theathrythm all bombed and SE backed off from the platform for a long time(especially in the west).
Namco Bandai: Tales of the Abyss, Ace Combat, Ridge Racer and Tekken all bombed.
Tecmo Koei: Dead or Alive dimensions bombed.
Level 5: Layton 5 bombed at launch and 3DS killed Layton, Inazuma Eleven and Little Battler Xperience.

...and those are all the companies people expect to line up for NX!
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All of those companies will clearly be on the NX except maybe KT which I would assume is still pretty likely. Also, where are you getting the idea that SE backed off the 3DS for a while?
Oregano said:
Maybe blaming the 3DS for the Level 5 series is inaccurate, it's more accurate to say those series died on 3DS. Capcom absolutely did get burnt though; Resident Evil Revelations definitely underperformed which is why it got a console port and the 3DS didn't get the sequel (EDIT: and Ex Troopers definitely underperformed).
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Ex Troopers was multiplat so I would assume that the game was just not appealing.
 
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saichi

Member
at least #FE sells more than Medarot 9. We can feel good about that, right?

Also, I kept forgetting to ask this.

Is MHX the best selling spinoff ever?
;)
 
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Oregano

Member
Vena said:
Revelations underperformed everywhere.

Revelations 2 didn't suddenly succeed without the 3DS.

You're trying to tie causation and correlation. I can go through your list and question a number (if not all) of points, or bring up complete counter examples for just about every developer. The 3DS has underperformed with some titles for some publishers, it has also met said publishers with successes. It is not some black-and-white binary fail/success reality.
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I thought Capcom said they were happy with both the HD version of Revelations and Revelations 2 performance? I'm not denying they had successes either but they're going to be more cautious and not go all in at launch like they did with the 3DS(or now the PS4).

Colonel Mustard said:
Yet it outsold the console counterparts and EX Troopers bombed on the PS3 as well.

Maybe it's not the platform, maybe that's indicative of Capcom making unappealing games?
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I don't see how in any definition of the word Revelations is unappealing. It still did over a million on consoles. Probably true about Ex Troopers though.

Sandfox said:
All of those companies will clearly be on the NX except maybe KT which I would assume is still pretty likely. Also, where are you getting the idea that SE backed off the 3DS for a while?



Ex Troopers was multiplat so I would assume that the game was just not appealing.
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I think they'll be on there, just not to the extent people hope they will be. I wouldn't be surprised to see 3DS up-ports at launch.

DQM: Joker 3 is going to be the first mid-to-high budget 3DS game from Square Enix since Kingdom Hearts 3D and in the west they only published Theatrhythm Curtain Call after those bombs(with FF Explorers coming soon). On that note FF Explorers is going to bomb as well.
 
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Ōkami

Member
Long post.

For Famitsu the year is over, they should publish their Top 100 next month, but for now this is more or less how Top 30 for the whole year should look like, retail only.


  1. [3DS] Monster Hunter X: 2.441.977
  2. [3DS] Yokai Watch Busters: Red Cat Team / White Dog Squad: 1.965.202
  3. [3DS] Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer: 1.282.880
  4. [WIU] Splatoon: 1.064.897
  5. [3DS] Dragon Quest VIII: Joruney of the Cursed King*: 857.005
  6. [WIU] Super Mario Maker: 674.195
  7. [3DS] Monster Strike: 636.709
  8. [3DS] Yokai Watch 2: Shinuchi*: 618.819
  9. [3DS] Rhythm Heaven: The Best+: 607.343
  10. [3DS] Fire Emblem Fates: Birthright / Conquest*: 536.121
  11. [PSV] Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition: 478.220
  12. [PS3] Dragon Quest Heroes: The World Tree's Woes and The Blight Below*: 456.094
  13. [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D*: 446.559
  14. [3DS] Pokémon OmegaRuby / AlphaSapphire*: 437.405
  15. [PS4] Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain*: 417.970
  16. [PS3] Tales of Zestiria*: 368.829
  17. [3DS] Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS: 347.431
  18. [PSV] God Eater 2: Rage Burst*: 341.840
  19. [WIU] Mario Kart 8: 328.972
  20. [PS4] Dragon Quest Heroes: The World Tree's Woes and The Blight Below*: 324.936
  21. [3DS] Puzzles & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition*: 315.684
  22. [3DS] Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon: 286.072
  23. [PS4] Call of Duty: Black Ops III*: 259.732
  24. [3DS] Disney Magic Castle: My Happy Life 2: 247.617
  25. [PS3] Yakuza 0*: 242.112
  26. [PS3] Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain*: 231.826
  27. [PS4] Bloodborne*: 209.274
  28. [WIU] Super Smash Bros. for WiiU*: 197.178
  29. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf: 195.551
  30. [3DS] Style Savvy 3*: 193.157
Games that might've entered the list with unreported sales.
[PSV] Sword Art Online: Lost Song*: 190.716
[3DS] Great Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney*: 190.080

*Data not up to date.

LTD Retail+Digital

[PSV] Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition: 800.082

Should be at around 900k by the time Dragon Quest Builders comes out, how it performs after that should be interesting, the first and most likely only Vita million seller.


  1. [WIU] New Super Mario Bros. U: 1.225.115
  2. [WIU] Mario Kart 8: 1.216.748
  3. [WIU] Splatoon: 1.177.329
Mario Kart 8 should outsell NSBU within the next couple of weeks and become the best selling WiiU game, won't last long, Splatoon is breathing down his neck, on other Wii U news, Mario Maker has outsold Smash Bros., should get pretty close to Wii Party U by the end of the year. Speaking of Smash.


  1. [3DS] Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS: 2.554.998
  2. [WII] Super Smash Bros. Brawl: 2.303.103
  3. [N64] Super Smash Bros.: 1.632.055
  4. [NGC] Super Smash Bros. Melee: 1.349.418
  5. [WIU] Super Smash Bros. for WiiU*: 719.036
New Smash will be both the best and worst selling game in the series at the same time.
 
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DriftingSpirit

Member
Welcome back, Ryng.

Good stuff all around. Goddamn at that Wii U explosion and Splatoon at 1M+. Nice. Keep making new IP, Nintendo.

PS4 up 2X over last holiday and finishes at just a bit above 1.2M for the year. Well done. It will be interesting to see what the bump next week looks like. Everything is set for next year and the software to come.

Not bad, Japan. Not bad.
 
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Sandfox

Member
Oregano said:
I thought Capcom said they were happy with both the HD version of Revelations and Revelations 2 performance? I'm not denying they had successes either but they're going to be more cautious and not go all in at launch like they did with the 3DS(or now the PS4).



I don't see how in any definition of the word Revelations is unappealing. It still did over a million on consoles. Probably true about Ex Troopers though.



I think they'll be on there, just not to the extent people hope they will be. I wouldn't be surprised to see 3DS up-ports at launch.

DQM: Joker 3 is going to be the first mid-to-high budget 3DS game from Square Enix since Kingdom Hearts 3D and in the west they only published Theatrhythm Curtain Call after those bombs(with FF Explorers coming soon). On that note FF Explorers is going to bomb as well.
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Bravely Default? DQVII? Also, way to move the goalpost.
 
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Oregano

Member
Sandfox said:
Bravely Default? DQVII? Also, way to move the goalpost.
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Neither of those titles is anywhere near as big as KH or DQM:J3. Bravely Default is notorious for its reused assets and DQVII is a remake.

Also I never intended to move any goalposts. I didn't mean they'd literally release nothing, I meant that you're not going to see third parties committing to it. EDIT: The Wii U situation is pretty much what I mean, it had some ports at launch but you can't really say third parties were backing the Wii U horse.
 
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Scoops

Banned
Didn't #FE come out on the 26th?

So this is only tracking 2 days?

I mean it's not a huge seller but I'll reserve judgment until I call it a total flop.
 
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theprodigy

Member
I still blame Square Enix's treatment of Bravely Second more than anything else

GloriousBagel said:
Fan service
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yes, and that's basically where it starts and ends

Ōkami;190794492 said:
  1. [WIU] New Super Mario Bros. U: 1.225.115
  2. [WIU] Mario Kart 8: 1.216.748
  3. [WIU] Splatoon: 1.177.329
Mario Kart 8 should outsell NSBU within the next couple of weeks and become the best selling WiiU game, won't last long, Splatoon is breathing down his neck, on other Wii U news, Mario Maker has outsold Smash Bros., should get pretty close to Wii Party U by the end of the year. Speaking of Smash.
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at this rate Splatoon will blow by both games at the same time, leaving Mario Kart 8 with 0 weeks as the #1 Wii U game (....but your Splatoon number includes digital, perhaps with some missing MK8 digital sales it already has passed NSMBU?)
 
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Draxal

Member
BlackJace said:
Too bad about Fire Emblem Cipher. I'll be picking it up when it hits stateside, as u hear it's actually a decent game.
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Cipher's the card game which is probably never coming to the states. I mean the producer Kawade said he was thinking about it, but I doubt the sales there justify it releasing it in the states (which was the litmus test). #FE is the Wii U game.
 
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