Except Nintendo published and funded the game.
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Media Create Sales: Week 52, 2015 (Dec 21 - Dec 27)
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Except Nintendo published and funded the game.
Why? Isn't Nintendo the one who funded and published the game? It's not like they lost any money on it.
Marketing wasn't bad, it's just no market for this game on the Wii U, complete audience mismatch.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
A stacked release year for ps4? Lol not stacked with relevant japanese games.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Lol, wut is this revisionist history?
DarkLordMalik
Member
LOL.
Wait for next year and the end of holidays and the Wii U will be back to its usual below 10k baseline
Ps4 is easily going to catch up with Wii U by the end of 2016. It is impossible to do so unless the console starts bombing horribly for some reason, which Sony won't let happen. As others have said, Slim PS4 + Bundles for the big games in 2016 will definitely boost the hardware.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
joke post right?
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
While Fularu's post is ridiculous, PS4 catching up on 2016 is not a lock. If Splatoon maintains even a fraction of its revanent surge in 2016, the Wii U baseline won't flatline like before. Things should become clear as we move into late January.LOL.
Wait for next year and the end of holidays and the Wii U will be back to its usual below 10k baseline
Ps4 is easily going to catch up with Wii U by the end of 2016. It is impossible to do so unless the console starts bombing horribly for some reason, which Sony won't let happen. As others have said, Slim PS4 + Bundles for the big games in 2016 will definitely boost the hardware.
It's not like the PS4 had a major Dragon Quest spinoff and a brand new Metal Gear Solid or anything. Or games like God Eater or Toukiden and FF Type-0 HD.
Yeah definitely not stacked... especially in comparison to the Wii U.
KillerMan91
Member
The problem for WiiU is the latter half of next year: Splatoon can keep the sales relatively high for the first half but for whole new year? Hard to see. Especially with NX launching. Of course I am not saying either that it's a lock that PS4 passes WiiU next year. There is so many factors regarding of PS4 too (price cut? Slim? how big is VR? FFXV? DQXI?)
I think if it was announced as a Persona game (which is basically what it is) it would have sold a lot better
Persona and Nintendo are both big in Japan so you can't honestly say there's no crossover in their audiences. that's silly.
What you done... D:
Wait for next year and the end of holidays and the Wii U will be back to its usual below 10k baseline
Usual under 10k basis? Hemm, dude, Wii U since June, so since Splatoon, always sold >10k, only 3 weeks sold under 10k, and guess why?
Because Nintendo annunced a Splatoon bundle...
And then, after Splatoon bundle released, here we go.
Still, i expect PS4 to surpass Wii U in 2016, but what you said is way wrong.
Kresnik258
Member
Dragon Quest; Final Fantasy and Metal Gear in one year? Any reason why the PS4 *won't* dominate Japan, right?
If #FE was exactly how it is, with Mirages replaced with Persona characters/demons instead, it would have simply burned the audience in a very different. way. What the game actually is is the fundamental issue here, not its marketing.
#FE alienated the FE audience, alienated the SMT audience, and alienated the Persona audience who aren't just into those games because of "high school kids" (which is likely the vast majority of that audience). Changing the name wouldn't have changed that, and could even exacerbate it.
I'm talking more about branding than advertising tbh
I'm not really following why this would burn the Persona audience? #FE looks exactly like a Persona game to me from everything I've seen.
DAREALGUMMY
Member
I honestly forgot #FE existed.
And that's the thing: you will see several Persona fans respond to this sort of statement that it doesn't, and that it also doesn't look appealing to them. You will see fans point to Persona 3, Persona 4, and Persona 5 and tell you exactly why #FE doesn't resemble it.
I don't need to elaborate on why, but just say that this is far from an isolated response, and it's made it apparent that those who directly associate #FE with Persona do so on a surface and reductionist level, while the JRPG audience who are into Persona will not easily dismiss their differences like that.
DriftingSpirit
Member
If this year was stacked, what is next year? The greatest Japanese lineup of all time?
DarkLordMalik
Member
Splatoon bundle was limited and it is gone now.
I expect Nintendo to start the hype for NX next year and I don't expect them to focus on Wii U going into 2016. We are already seeing it this year. Wii U would have bombed if not for Splatoon, which just blew everyone away. But what do you even reckon it will sell next year? Do you honestly expect to see it selling like it did in 2015? I don't think so.
There isn't any big game that can push Wii U hardware like Mario Marker and Splatoon in 2016. PS4 has a much better chance of improving its sales so I don't see why it is impossible to see PS4 surpassing Wii U LTD by the end of 2016.
Well there's the whole persona 12 - 34 fanbase divide which he was alluding to. In this game specifically, I could see people objecting to the gravure idol part (I was groaning when I saw that part on Hamayama's stream). I mean 4 had some fan service DAN was a just weird weird take on the cutesy idol bit, but nothing as ... embarassing as #FE.
Okay, but my argument is that if the game were branded and marketed differently, then these perceived differences could have been smoothed over a lot more easily. I have played Persona games, I know what they're like, and to me, they look very similar to #FE. If you're saying there are people who disagree, well there are always going to be people who disagree. There are people who love Persona 4 and hate Persona 3 because of their differences, that's completely normal.
DAREALGUMMY
Member
PSV has outsold the PS4 quite a few times this year.
So...it's not possible that the PS4 did have a stacked year of games because it didn't sell as much as it is elsewhere?
LOL.
Wait for next year and the end of holidays and the Wii U will be back to its usual below 10k baseline
Ps4 is easily going to catch up with Wii U by the end of 2016. It is impossible to do so unless the console starts bombing horribly for some reason, which Sony won't let happen. As others have said, Slim PS4 + Bundles for the big games in 2016 will definitely boost the hardware.
Yeah a year where the PS4 gets : A new MGS, a new DQ musou, a new Yakuza and the much heralded Bloodborne. An HD port of FF Type 0, new versions of CoD, a star wars Battlefield and a string of 100-150k+ games is definitely *not* a stacked year as far as PS4 goes against the WiiU, where's that rolleye emoticon when you need it?
What does the PS4 have for 2016 that's supposed to give it a million+ sales overhead over the WiiU when it couldn't do it with staple Sony brands releasing in 2015?
Also blame japanese publishers for stacking much of PS4s releases in February/March of 2015 giving you the illusion that somehow, the PS4 had a weak year in terms of games.
It's even better next year but there's no use pretending the PS4's lineup was bad this year, especially in comparison to the Wii U.
Yes I'm aware but on the second half of this year ratio was in PS4's favor if I'm not mistaken.
Sammy Samusu
Member
2016 is all about PS4 vs 3DS.
It will be a fierce fight.
I'm predicting something like this: PS4 (1.9M) and 3DS (1.7M, but it needs a price cut).
It will be a fierce fight.
I'm predicting something like this: PS4 (1.9M) and 3DS (1.7M, but it needs a price cut).
DarkLordMalik
Member
This looks so surreal. Wow.
Has a Sony published game ever received such Holiday legs and bumps. I find it hard to believe. Maybe on PS2?
I wasn't saying PS4 had a weak lineup in 2015. It was great but definitely pales in comparison to what's in store for the next year. An actual mainline FF, a new KH, multiple DQ spinoffs, Yakuza Remake and Sequel (?), Star Ocean sequel, First Tales of game, and possibly more that I am missing here.
Compare that to what's in store for Wii U and you have the answer. Saying that PS4 won't be able to catch up until Mid 2017 is a bit of a ridiculous statement to make here. There is nothing like Mario Maker and Splatoon for Wii U in 2016 compared to the PS4.
Sakura
Member
Those last three games are just ports aren't they? I mean, Type-0 is a PSP game originally, can't imagine there is a huge audience.
Dragon Quest Heroes and MGSV are decent sellers sure, but combined they sold less than Mario Maker and Splatoon combined. I wouldn't really say 2015 was stacked for releases in Japan for the PS4.
It's not really that much like Persona. Sure there is dungeon crawling and the cast consists of mostly teenagers. But not once in the game do they ever go to school, nor is there any kind of slice of life stuff outside the main story events, nor is there nearly as much content etc etc.
It's not exactly a great game in my opinion, so the sales aren't surprising.
So next year the PS4's going to beat the PS3's best year when it's been trailing behind it so far?
I don't buy it.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Several big releases scattered through 12 months hardly makes it a stacked year. I see you are moving goalposts and now saying stacked in comparison to WiiU, where's the lmao emoticon when you need it. Every console can have a stacked year relative to such an objectively low bar.
Calm down and look at the list of 2016 games coming to PS4. That is more akin to what you would call stacked.
Consistent release of Japanese games + Consistent release of western games + ff 15
Yes it can
[Not counting dq11 and kh3]
That's doesn't mean much, indeed Wii U was selling >10k even before the bundle.
Like i said, Wii U would most likely never going to sell < 10k after June, is happened for 3 weeks, and only because they annunced the Splatoon bundle. Withouth the bundle, Wii U would have a worse holidays, but was still going to sell >10k all weeks of 2015.
What? When i said this?
Dude, maybe you missed this part...
All i said was about the Wii U basis which you said is "usually under 10k". Is not. Since Splatoon released, Wii U always sold over 10k, withouth the 3 weeks before bundle, and even then, we can't say Wii U basis was USUALLY < 10k for only 3 weeks.
Of course i believe Wii U will be under 10k in most of weeks next year, but not just when the holidays are over. Probabily in March / April... definitive not in January.
last year and the beginning of this year a lot of people were discounting the ps4 as not having anything major to move hardware because the likes of dqh, yakuza and mgs were also on ps3 but now all of a sudden the year was stacked with great games and the ps4 is supposed to have done gangbusters in sales lol. next year is the real test and what we can call "stacked" with hopefully ffxv, kh3 and dq11 leading the charge
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Now we're definitely talking revisionist history. Ports of handheld games, remastered of PSP games = stacked. Ok.
The only three legitimate big Japan-centric games the PS4 had were Bloodborne, MGSV, and DQH, the latter of which was mitigated by the slime/code bundle of last year. Next year ps4 Japan lineup is actually impressive.
Edit: Oh, I forgot there was a cross-gen Yakuza prequel.
Fair enough, although I still think there are enough similarities that it should be able to attract that audience if branded correctly. If it's just not a good game then it's not good.
Pennywise83
Banned
SMM is selling extremely well for what it is - but Splatoon is on another level, being a new IP in an unproven genre for Nintendo.
Parappa the Rapper on PS1 had amazing legs - opening at 28k, finishing at almost 1m. PS1 also had other SCE games selling well over time: XI (132k FW, 865k LTD); Toro (64k FW, 809k LTD); IQ (24k FW, 750k LTD); Crash Bandicoot itself (57k FW, 665k LTD). Sony was an amazing publisher back then.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Nope. Fire Emblem on DS did about 250K both releases. Sure better than the Wii one (170K), but still nowhere near awakening/Fates.
Wait what? You're not remembering Valkyria correctly.
Valkyria Chronicles 77,694 (First Week) 141,589 (LTD) -> although best price releases pushed it to like 270K.
btw, can folks just do a quick search on japanltdrank or garaph.info for numbers before misremembering sale #s
. Makes for a more productive conversation.? Like Ni No Kuni 2? Or something else? I think Layton's ideal platform requires a touchscreen so it's either 3DS, mobile or NX if it has a touchscreen. Also, almost every Layton fan I know thought Miracle Mask was the worst in the series. The 3D models didn't seem half as charming as the original artwork, and things were pretty bland. Azran Legacy seemed to fix that, but it was probably too late/saturated by that point. A Layton every year was too much for me too.
That's kinda true. It will definitive sell > 1 million LT, and at this point is seriusly the worst prediction... Looks also like my old 1.20 million prediction was pessimist.
With this bundle, which is not gonna be discontinued soon, i say it can even sell 1.50 million LT retail + digital. :O
Probabily a bit less than that... let's say 1.30 / 1.40 million.
It must.also be noted that many people were stating ps4 to catch up with the wii u within the end of this year, me included. Than splatoon happened.
I firmly believe that next year ps4 will catch the wii u ltd but some reaction has been pretty rock solid imho
DriftingSpirit
Member
In terms of amount of games releases, sure. In terms of potential system movers, no.
There is no use pretending it was good either. It was a barely okay year with a few noteworthy points (MGS, DQ, western titles, etc..). The narrative at the end of 2014 and throughout 2015 has been that the PS4 had very few, if any, system sellers for the year. Now that it has done decent numbers overall in spite of that, the narrative is changing to the PS4 had a "stacked year" and only moved 380K up. I mean, Toukiden as a noteworthy title in the lineup? Seriously?
The Wii U's lineup was so poor it just made the PS4's okay lineup look good in comparison. Splatoon coming out of nowhere and doing crazy good just served as one heck of a safety net for Wii U.
DarkLordMalik
Member
My mistake then... I misunderstood.
I honestly don't think Splatoon is going to keep selling leading into the next year. Like you said, that won't happen in January because of the boost coming from Holidays but it is definitely going to happen soon after it. I don't see any upcoming game boosting the Wii U hardware. Bundles can only help so much. Don't forget that this was going to be the worst year for Wii U until the magic of Splatoon and Super Mario Maker propelled the console to some good sales. There is no Splatoon or SMM like game in 2016.
I'm perfectly calm and the PS4 had 154 games released in 2015 in Japan (at least 82 of which as I suspect the Wikipedia entry isn't complete beeing physical releases).
That's 3 games per week and the system with the most releases that year behind the Vita. And what else am I comparing PS4's stacked release schedule to when I'm talking about it overtaking the WiiU, PS2's? Yeah, compared to Sony's best selling system ever, the PS4 release schedule is anemic and will never change
The judgement prior to releases pointed out at a stronger ps3 performances than the actual ones . Ps4 demonstrated to be able to manager the generational switch better than expected.
Bloodborne was offered for free for many weeks and the ps4 baseline benefit from that, and we didn't know about that earlier.
Dqh sold very well and could have anticipate, alongside last year bundle, some brand lover purchase of the console.
The we are pretending the price cut didn't happen, while..it happened.
And we saw how it affected the baseline.
Me too I think next year will have a stronger lineup. And that ps4 will catch wiiu ltd.
But all the rock solid statement about the Slim, another price cut and the certainity about releases still not confirmed are a little too strong imho.
As the earlier sentence about ps 4 not able to catch the wiiu until mi 17