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[chromatic9]

Yikes. I'm worried for Killer Instinct.

 

[flaxknuckles]

Sure, it's cheap but I'm referring to Windows Store games in general and assuming all future releases are going to have the same quirks. Also, judging from the PC Performance thread, we can add DSR to the list of things you can't do with a Windows Store game. Wow.

Damn that's something I actually use. So weird Microsoft launched their store with their games having restrictions like this and not having their own substitutes for the features.

 

[Zojirushi]

We need Phil Spencer on this shit ASAP.

If they continue down this path with these kind of restrictions this whole gaming on W10 thing will be a royal fuck up for MS.

Or maybe not if they just care about releasing Minecraft where the majority of players probably don't care.

 

[Zedox]

We need Phil Spencer on this shit ASAP.

If they continue down this path with these kind of restrictions this whole gaming on W10 thing will be a royal fuck up for MS.

Or maybe not if they just care about releasing Minecraft where the majority of players probably don't care.

Features like those named will come to the UWP in time (if necessary) and it has nothing to do with Phil Spencer (well, almost) as it is out of his hands and more in the hands of the priority for the UWP team itself.

Right now, the most important thing is getting the games on the actual platform. Trying to get everything like it was (which honestly, it won't be like that) with W32 before even having games is wasted time.

 

[GhostTrick]

Wow. Catching with my own thread. Seems like W10 store is still barebone feature wise.

 

[impact]

I had a $50 windows store gift card from some random promotion so I could get the windows store version for $4 out of pocket, so that's what I did

My immediate impression of the way they are handling games was pretty negative. The store doesn't ask you where you want to install it, and automatically installs to your C: drive, which didn't have enough space. I realized this quickly, but let it go to see how it would handle it. Rather than telling me, it just installed 8 gigs of the game and then failed. The store itself has no option to change the default download location so a google search led me to the discovery that the option to change the download location was buried in the general windows options, and even then it just lets you decide the drive, not the actual location.

Downloaded the game, it launched fine with no issues. no overlays seem to work with it, which is a bummer (fraps, rivatuner ect). I was able to get the fps counter from shadowplay to work eventually, but I have no idea how. I just kept turning it off and on and eventually it popped up once.

Next, as I tried to add the game to steam as an non steam game, I discovered my major issue I have with this system. The game files themselves seem to be in a folder in the install drive that, even as my own computer's administrator, windows isn't allowing me access to. I haven't put any real time into actually getting in there outside of double clicking and getting a "you don't have permission to do that" error, but I shouldn't have to.

The interesting thing is, and I would love someone else to take a look at this to see if i'm not crazy, my performance seems to be a bit better than those with similar systems are reporting in the main PC performance thread. I'm getting pretty consistent 60fps with some dips into the 50s and high 40s occasionally on a 2gb GTX 680SLI setup, on high with shadows on medium, which is higher than most benchmarks are saying I should be getting. I'm seeing about 80% utilization on my GPUs

(EDIT) Turns out my SLI utilization was a monitor not reporting correctly for whatever reason. According to nvidia inspector, i'm only seeing 10-15% utilization on the 2nd gpu

The download/installation location issue is enough of a problem for me that I wouldn't recommend going the windows store route unless you have a significant reason to do so (as I did). I would like someone else to check into that performance thing, as I'm going to assume that there is some other factor in play unless someone else comes back noticing the same thing

So basically, if you have a Steam controller, DO NOT BUY GAMES FROM WINDOWS STORE.

Killer Instinct is ded already.

 

[flaxknuckles]

Features like those named will come to the UWP in time (if necessary) and it has nothing to do with Phil Spencer (well, almost) as it is out of his hands and more in the hands of the priority for the UWP team itself.

Right now, the most important thing is getting the games on the actual platform. Trying to get everything like it was (which honestly, it won't be like that) with W32 before even having games is wasted time.

In time. Just like in time Microsoft Edge will get extension support when nobody cares anymore. They really shouldn't have launched all these Windows 10 features half-baked.

 

[Zedox]

So basically, if you have a Steam controller, DO NOT BUY GAMES FROM WINDOWS STORE.

Killer Instinct is ded already.

Sorry, KI isn't going to die just because certain people have certain wants from their PC games. It still lives just like Titanfall does (even with no one playing on PC). KI is getting bigger and people will have a chance to play it on their PCs...something they haven't been able to do for the past 2 years. And seriously...steam controller? Cmon.

In time. Just like in time Microsoft Edge will get extension support when nobody cares anymore. They really shouldn't have launched all these Windows 10 features half-baked.

Just like how Windows 10 isn't fully done (and won't be...just like OSX) but yet almost the amount of people on Steam use Windows 10 as Windows 7. Just like how the first couple iPhones didn't have copy and paste. Just like how Xbox and PS4 were missing features but still sell a shitload. This is how software is done. Get used to it.

 

[Voho]

I had a $50 windows store gift card from some random promotion so I could get the windows store version for $4 out of pocket, so that's what I did

My immediate impression of the way they are handling games was pretty negative. The store doesn't ask you where you want to install it, and automatically installs to your C: drive, which didn't have enough space. I realized this quickly, but let it go to see how it would handle it. Rather than telling me, it just installed 8 gigs of the game and then failed. The store itself has no option to change the default download location so a google search led me to the discovery that the option to change the download location was buried in the general windows options, and even then it just lets you decide the drive, not the actual location.

Downloaded the game, it launched fine with no issues. no overlays seem to work with it, which is a bummer (fraps, rivatuner ect). I was able to get the fps counter from shadowplay to work eventually, but I have no idea how. I just kept turning it off and on and eventually it popped up once.

Next, as I tried to add the game to steam as an non steam game, I discovered my major issue I have with this system. The game files themselves seem to be in a folder in the install drive that, even as my own computer's administrator, windows isn't allowing me access to. I haven't put any real time into actually getting in there outside of double clicking and getting a "you don't have permission to do that" error, but I shouldn't have to.

The interesting thing is, and I would love someone else to take a look at this to see if i'm not crazy, my performance seems to be a bit better than those with similar systems are reporting in the main PC performance thread. I'm getting pretty consistent 60fps with some dips into the 50s and high 40s occasionally on a 2gb GTX 680SLI setup, on high with shadows on medium, which is higher than most benchmarks are saying I should be getting. I'm seeing about 80% utilization on my GPUs

(EDIT) Turns out my SLI utilization was a monitor not reporting correctly for whatever reason. According to nvidia inspector, i'm only seeing 10-15% utilization on the 2nd gpu

The download/installation location issue is enough of a problem for me that I wouldn't recommend going the windows store route unless you have a significant reason to do so (as I did). I would like someone else to check into that performance thing, as I'm going to assume that there is some other factor in play unless someone else comes back noticing the same thing

If you still need help adding it as a non-steam game: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=193822061&postcount=111

 

[flaxknuckles]

Sorry, KI isn't going to die just because certain people have certain wants from their PC games. It still lives just like Titanfall does (even with no one playing on PC). KI is getting bigger and people will have a chance to play it on their PCs...something they haven't been able to do for the past 2 years. And seriously...steam controller? Cmon.



Just like how Windows 10 isn't fully done (and won't be...just like OSX) but yet almost the amount of people on Steam use Windows 10 as Windows 7. Just like how the first couple iPhones didn't have copy and paste. Just like how Xbox and PS4 were missing features but still sell a shitload. This is how software is done. Get used to it.

But the iphones didn't have reasonable competition when they came out and PS4 and Xbox One were both unestablished when they launched with unfinished features and the only two next-gen consoles. You are saying what you say like Steam doesn't exist already, feature complete.

 

[mcrommert]

I really don't understand why people didn't expect these things. DLL injection is a cool thing but not at all in line with the security that the uwp sandboxed model is going for. For games available on both platforms (steam and store) if you are interested in dll injection be it aa or anything else...you should go with the legacy win32 option. Perhaps there is something Microsoft can do in the future but I would not hold your breath.

The connection issues between amd and NVidia software and the games should be ironed out, new platform and all. The real point of this platform is first the security to the games that it allows. Microsoft would never bring gears or halo or any of their other platforms to windows and allow cross platform play without this. Also, I think we may see games that have so far stayed off of pc due to piracy and modification concerns appear due to this more secure platform.

And eventually this is the platform that will probably replace xbox and this is the first steps of that

 

[10k]

Jesus, gamerscore isn't worth this shit. I'll stick to steam lol.

 

[hawk2025]

lol at Windows 10 gaming being the next iPhone.

I don't have to "get used to it". The competition is already there.

 

[Synth]

So basically, if you have a Steam controller, DO NOT BUY GAMES FROM WINDOWS STORE.

Killer Instinct is ded already.

Let's not pretend anyone should be playing Killer Instinct with a Steam controller, lol.

 

[Haunted]

Next, as I tried to add the game to steam as an non steam game, I discovered my major issue I have with this system. The game files themselves seem to be in a folder in the install drive that, even as my own computer's administrator, windows isn't allowing me access to. I haven't put any real time into actually getting in there outside of double clicking and getting a "you don't have permission to do that" error, but I shouldn't have to.

wow

WOW


I know they're doing this to protect the clueless casual person from themselves, but that's just completely unacceptable for pretty much anyone above that level - I don't even want to call them "power user", because that's much further up the chain of knowledge.

Can't access files and folders as administrator on my own system, completely fucking unacceptable.

 

[flaxknuckles]

Let's not pretend anyone should be playing Killer Instinct with a Steam controller, lol.

Why not? I don't have a Xbox controller or an arcade stick and I don't feel like buying one just for one game. On the other hand, I can play Street Fighter V with a Steam controller. I wasn't planning on buying it now that Killer Instinct was coming to Windows but with all these UWP issues I may have to reconsider.

 

[Synth]

Why not? I don't have a Xbox controller or an arcade stick and I don't feel like buying one just for one game. On the other hand, I can play Street Fighter V with a Steam controller. I wasn't planning on buying it now that Killer Instinct was coming to Windows but with all these UWP issues I may have to reconsider.

Yea ok, maybe I did make that sound a bit to black and white. If it's between a Steam controller, and just a keyboard... then I guess the Steam controller starts to look pretty good. It's pretty much a last resort kinda device for this type of game though (basically anything with a d-pad and six button will be better), and I definitely don't think its absence is going to have much of a noticeable effect on the amount of people that will play it.

With that said though... it's not actually like you flat out, cannot use the Steam controller to play. You just can't use custom profiles for it. It'll just report inputs to the game as keyboard presses.. which for a game like Killer Instinct, should make no meaningful difference from an actual Xbox controller.

EDIT: Ah, actually no... I forgot that the left trackpad will act as a mouse scroll wheel by default. So if you use that for motions rather than the left stick, you're probably screwed still.

EDIT2: Come to think about it.. why can't we configure the Steam controller's default behaviour?

 

[Zedox]

lol at Windows 10 gaming being the next iPhone.

I don't have to "get used to it". The competition is already there.

No one said that. It's called a relative comparison. You don't have to "get used to it" unless you use the service, duh. That's a fairly obvious thing. But if you want to play certain games that use that system, then yes, you will have to get used to it because the competition doesn't have that product. Something that uses a new paradigm shift in technology doesn't have all the features of the old paradigm. That's where the comparisons were made. No need to read into stuff.

 

[justsomeguy]

wow

WOW


I know they're doing this to protect the clueless casual person from themselves, but that's just completely unacceptable for pretty much anyone above that level - I don't even want to call them "power user", because that's much further up the chain of knowledge.

Can't access files and folders as administrator on my own system, completely fucking unacceptable.

so just grant administrator access to that folder...

 

[Head.spawn]

so just grant administrator access to that folder...

I don't think that works.

Or at least I'm too dumb to figure it out.

 

[Caayn]

I don't think that works.

Or at least I'm too dumb to figure it out.

You can take control of that folder simply by taking ownership. Just because you aren't granted default access as the administrator doesn't mean that you're locked out of the folder.

But right, let's keep defending this garbage store not letting you add games to Steam overlay.

A store is only good if it lets you use the Steam overlay? Dear god, Steam is a decent service. But the (small) cult following it has drives me nuts and actually makes me not want to use Steam at all.

 

[impact]

Let's not pretend anyone should be playing Killer Instinct with a Steam controller, lol.

Let's not pretend Killer Instinct is so deep that you can't do everything in the game on a pad with relative ease. It's an extremely easy game to play and works just fine on a pad.

But right, let's keep defending this garbage store not letting you add games to Steam overlay.

 

[Apathy]

Wow the international prices for the windows store are nuts. Guess even that is American centric. If they want to compete with steam, at the bare minimum they have to match prices

 

[KungFucius]

Is the Ukraine option no longer valid. I cannot complete the transaction. It wont see my US CC and when I add one it forces the country to Ukraine.

 

[Caayn]

Wow the international prices for the windows store are nuts. Guess even that is American centric. If they want to compete with steam, at the bare minimum they have to match prices

The prices are the same. In fact in my country the Windows Store version is currently €5 cheaper than the Steam version. Can you show us an example?

 

[Synth]

Let's not pretend Killer Instinct is so deep that you can't do everything in the game on a pad with relative ease. It's an extremely easy game to play and works just fine on a pad.

But right, let's keep defending this garbage store not letting you add games to Steam overlay.

It wasn't a defense of the store limitations (I mean.. I do have some things I would say in its defense... but that's not the point here). It was more that Killer Instinct was a pretty bad example as few people are going to choose a Steam controller over any other control type for that game... certainly not enough for the lack of it to mean "Killer Instinct is ded already".

 

[Apathy]

The prices are the same. In fact in my country the Windows Store version is currently €5 cheaper than the Steam version. Can you show us an example?

Week you could just read the past pages and see actual replies from gaffers, don't think they would be making that up.

 

[Caayn]

Week you could just read the past pages and see actual replies from gaffers, don't think they would be making that up.

Exactly. If you go back to post 73 of this thread you will realize that there was a price error. Which was quickly fixed.

What you're doing is blindly copying information of which has already been confirmed this it's incorrect.

 

[Dusktildawn48]

where exactly does this version install too? cant seem to find it

 

[Natedawgg]

One thing I found that differentiates the windows version over the steam version is that the impulse triggers on the xbone Controller work on the windows store version but not the steam.

 

[JohnnyWestlake]

where exactly does this version install too? cant seem to find it

C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\AppRepository\Packages\39C668CD.RiseoftheTombRaider_1.601.0.0_x64__r7bfsmp40f67j

or

C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\39C668CD.RiseoftheTombRaider_1.601.0.0_x64__r7bfsmp40f67j

It makes both of those folders, one of them has the game install files inside it. (But I don't have ownership of those folders on my account and I have no interest in taking ownership of them so I couldn't say which one)

 

[Palculator]

Seems like a bad place to buy it. Luckily, I got the game with my GPU and it was a Steam key instead of a W10 one (if those even exist.)

"Winkelwagen" sounds hilarious to me lmao

 

[mcrommert]

wow

WOW


I know they're doing this to protect the clueless casual person from themselves, but that's just completely unacceptable for pretty much anyone above that level - I don't even want to call them "power user", because that's much further up the chain of knowledge.

Can't access files and folders as administrator on my own system, completely fucking unacceptable.

You can take control of the folder...easy to mess it up though so be warned

Also you can't do anything with it so why bother