onemanasylum
Banned
So much for the "X1S is a more desireable product" narrative that was going around. Good to see the month was bigger then expected.
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December 2016 NPD (U.S. Hardware) Predictions - Closes Tuesday, January 10th
Wow Rest In Peace pretty much everyone's predictions. Optimism GAF wins the day!
Don't worry, we all came close with the standard +/- 300k range
Primethius
Banned
Told ya Prim.
So PS4 > 1.37m but < 1.6m
Lol at the MS pr spin, but it gives us good info to dig in.
Looks like it was a narrow win probably.
Am I destined to be forever wrong?
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No, I must double down again!
Edit: Looks like a small gap, wonder if it's sub 100k or sub 50k?
MatPiscatella
Member
Price promotion in holiday does work.
Futurematic
Member
Absolutely. We saw that last year and the year before. The question is how much damage that does to Q1 sales? We saw Xone collapse hard in Q1. I'm incredibly curious to see if Sony has the same problems, or if their line-up of games can counteract that. Switch in March also may drastically change spending patterns smart move on Sony (and some other publishers) to roll out their big games H1 before that occurs.
You're really reaching. The release date of most of those games was decided when the hot topic was "Switch is launching in 2016 for sure"
Cow Goes Moo
Member
my predictions are fucked again
at least teh upside is the good sales
at least teh upside is the good sales
MatPiscatella
Member
What's this?
Welfare
Member
They haven't really done much besides keeping sales flat from November in previous years, so November must have been an odd month for hardware purchasing.
With such a big increase in sales for both, I wonder how Pro performed this month.
hanspampel
Banned
so ps4 less than 1582k
and xb1 more than 1376k
gap below 206k units or 13%
actually, as xbox is the best selling console in H2CY2016, the gap is below 166k
so while November was a bad month, December did pretty good
and xb1 more than 1376k
gap below 206k units or 13%
actually, as xbox is the best selling console in H2CY2016, the gap is below 166k
so while November was a bad month, December did pretty good
he means those who said ps4 would lose because the slim is not desirable and there was no pro launch this month
MatPiscatella
Member
They said this seriously? A high priced, high spec SKU like the Pro isn't meant to appeal to the holiday mass market consumer. I guess some people think the world doesn't extend beyond their own interests.
DriftingSpirit
Member
X1 is, PS4 isn't. Best month for X1 ever.
hanspampel
Banned
People thought (including me) Xb1 could edge out December because November was very close and Sony had a "big" new hardware release with the Ps4 in November. So the Ps4 Pro launch and preorder numbers could be the deciding factor
Darth Smurf X
Member
I should learn not to edit my predictions. Mine were way higher when I first posted them.
I admit I'm anticipating (Yuge) sales for next year's Holiday period.
Not only will we see the Scorpio released (not expecting it on fire, but it could do well) and probably a push on XB1S bundles (new AC?) as well, but also likely to see SIEA repeating the 2015 tactics: Imagine Battlefront 2 bundles... COD ... And dare I say... Red Dead Redemption 2 bundles?
Not only will we see the Scorpio released (not expecting it on fire, but it could do well) and probably a push on XB1S bundles (new AC?) as well, but also likely to see SIEA repeating the 2015 tactics: Imagine Battlefront 2 bundles... COD ... And dare I say... Red Dead Redemption 2 bundles?
Yea those extended price cuts must've worked some serious magic.
Bahaha indeed.
Welfare
Member
I can see a RDR2 Pro bundle this holiday if it makes this year.
MatPiscatella
Member
I can see how one could get to that perspective. Both boxes are performing quite well, and it's certainly a close race every month recently.
Another 100k difference, is my guess.
hanspampel
Banned
just imagine $199 ps4 slim and xbox one s
+ whatever better bundles sony will do
both should outperform this year.
question is, if one (or both) could outperform sony 2015 and sell over 3.1 million units
the gap is below 166k
how low exactly, i don't know
edit:
this numbers is using the rounded 1.1m and 1m numbers from windows central for ps4 and xb1 sales in November
the real number could be a little different, tho
and welcome back. last time i saw your name it was grey
I seriously doubt the difference between the predicted range and the actual range is due to better than anticipated pro sales. If anything it's likely to be the extended price cuts onthe Slim SKU that drove the majority of sales growth.
I think it was more desirable than PS4 Slim in this holiday season, but not enought to overcome the combo Slim+Pro.
Still, being the only console with YoY growth in december shows that XBO S had a positive effect.
onemanasylum
Banned
We don't know what Pro did no? x1S did well yes, but more desirable? No, we will see as sony takes the next few months as well, a large part of the bump with x1s was existing owners upgrading, I mean the ps4 slim is not much of an upgrade for current ps4 owners, ps4 is already small.
Ms had far better bundles this year. we have no idea what sony may have done had they not launched the pro.....
Futurematic
Member
Fair point, I agree I overreached. They got lucky would have been a much a better way of phrasing it
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GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I feel we still need to see how Jan and Feb turn out before we can begin to trust it again.
Welfare
Member
Nah, because I doubt MS is removing OG XB1 from their PR, so if they are combining OG + S, then they are comparing it to PS4 + Pro.
Also, there was no S in 2015, so how can it be up YoY going by that?
michaelius
Banned
So less than 100k advantage for those 6 months Microsoft is bragging about ? And could be as low as 3-4 digit numbers ?
hanspampel
Banned
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Would MS really spin THAT much?
if they would do that, they would go all in and say xbox one s was the best selling console in december. either spin really hard, or not at all
mejin
Member
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Would MS really spin THAT much?
Who knows. Its not like they have any shame for their PR lol
I don't think it did (XB1S> to PS4S that is).Between low stock and price sensitivity, I don't expect the Pro to have done much at all in Dec.
There was no PS4 Slim either. Going by the wording I think it's possible they are counting Pro as a separate console due to it being a completely desperate SKU instead of a revision like S. I mean don't get me wrong it's incredibly unlikely that PS4 would be up YoY after such a strong year last year but I think the possibility is there given the wording we have currently.
hanspampel
Banned
me neither, but at least 100 - 150k units
and there're still original ps4 and xb1 units
but all this does not matter at all. it's just a joke and hypothetical
some one with the detailed report could tell us, tho
slavesnyder
Member
XboxOne S absolutely was successful. Without it, it would have been awful. Now it's okay.
The pro wasn't the decisive factor, but added some upgrader sales. It was the topping on the icecream, not more, not less.
The pro wasn't the decisive factor, but added some upgrader sales. It was the topping on the icecream, not more, not less.
Good month for both systems. (and I'm assuming 3DS had a good month too)
I think it has a chance because the XB1 was not doing well at all the first half of next year.
I think it has a chance because the XB1 was not doing well at all the first half of next year.
Ehhhh but that is directly contradicted by the NPD announcement so the spin wouldn't be ass effective. Spin thrives on uncertainty as it seeks to fill in the gaps of known info. And it's also possible that PS4 Slim was the best selling console SKU so if that was the case then they could t say that as it would be an outright lie.