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TLOU II 2nd year anniversary!
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Ulysses 31
Member
Might not count as headshot, it's still a serious wound with that amount of blood loss in less than a second.I mean, you're also this guy.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
That amount of blood loss is not fatal.
Joel's injury in TLOU 1 would be fatal and there's no way Ellie would know how to perform surgery.
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Tripolygon
Banned
You're all freaking weird. Movies, games, books and heck even music are mediums that largely rely on suspension of disbelief in order to enjoy.
He didn't die.
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Ulysses 31
Member
Talking about Joel's impalement? He kept pressure on the wound for the most part. Ellie tended the wound afterwards which makes it more believable he survived that. But yeah some suspension of disbelief was needed for that story beat. Stitching up a wound isn't major surgery though and seems well within Ellie's capabilities to me.
Tommy lies for a while with the wound unattended and he and the surviving gang travel 1000 miles back to Jackson. That for me is harder to believe without any further details. I'm sure that would be an interesting adventure to tell players.
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Ulysses 31
Member
Probably because he got help asap afterwards and the wound wasn't caused by a bullet would be my guess.You're all freaking weird. Movies, games, books and heck even music are mediums that largely rely on suspension of disbelief in order to enjoy.
He didn't die.
TLOU does present themselves as more grounded and so I will be more critical of them as say, Bayonetta games.
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crunchyBiscuits
Member
I think I might be in the minority but I actually liked Abby's character - more so than Ellie in this game!50 Abby threads would be posted within 4 minutes
Wouldn't say no to her and Lev DLC/standalone game
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Happy second anniversary to crying man-babies 
By the way, it has been two years, and still no non-PS Studios game has matched the production or animation quality of The Last of Us Part II -- even on current-gen consoles. Naughty Kings!
By the way, it has been two years, and still no non-PS Studios game has matched the production or animation quality of The Last of Us Part II -- even on current-gen consoles. Naughty Kings!
drotahorror
Member
Really enjoyed it. Loved the slow motion accessibility option for when you aim down sights.
The Eradicator
Member
Lol still no defense for that scene.I mean, you're also this guy.
And let me know when you see me start a new TLOU2 thread.
Hobbygaming
has been asked to post in 'Grounded' mode.
I kinda felt sorry for her at the end and I will say that the level where you are crossing tall structures to get to the hospital, is some of the best level design and one of the best levels in the series
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Keeping pressure doesn't stop the bleeding, it only slows it down.
And yes, you need major surgery to stitch up intestines and/or organs. Ellie would have to know how to perform this "surgery" in order for Joel to survive.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
I already did. He was not shot in the back of the head.
Tripolygon
Banned
JFC dude, it is grounded in reality meaning things that happen in the game are plausible, draws on things that happen(ed) in our world and can be observed in our world, does not mean it is not embellished for dramatic effect and for the purpose of entertainment.
COD games are grounded in reality, it does not mean it is not embellished for dramatic effect and it does not mean you don't survive after getting shot 10 times and your health just goes back up.
The "Clickers" in TLOU which follow the cliche zombie trope is based on an infection that can be observed in nature in the insect world. Never been observed in humans but is grounded in reality.
And no, TLOU does not present themselves as more grounded than any other game, so your criticism is unfounded. Games in general demand that you suspend disbelief, so you are criticizing the game for being a game.
Ulysses 31
Member
Isn't that the point? To slow it down enough so it will eventually stop and avoid losing too much blood?
If that's so then that is a plot hole that Ellie would know how to perform major surgery like that. Like I said, that whole section required some suspension of disbelief for me.
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The Eradicator
Member
As you show a picture of a guy who's been shot in the back of the head. Lol ridiculous. What? He got hit on the side? And the big difference is? That is an awful lot of blood splatter for it to be a mere graze. Sorry, but I said this in the last nonsense TLOU2 thread, but there's no logical reason to defend that scene, if you're actually being objective. It is a litmus test between rationality and fanaticism.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You're more than likely to die from blood loss from Joel's injury than Tommy's. Joel's survival depended on Ellie's ability to perform surgery.
Tommy didn't have to worry about severe blood loss and his injury wasn't fatal.
Ulysses 31
Member
Yes but the auto regenerating health makes it less grounded than TLOU.
Yes I agree every media probably requires some suspension of disbelief, when I specifically mention it I'm pointing out a case that it requires too much of it for me.
The story hinges on you buying into something like the cordyceps infection existing from the start. Doesn't mean humans now also can suffer headwounds like the one Tommy did that remain unattended for so long.
If humans can somehow then that needs to be established first in some way.
It does to. It has no auto regenerating health, or kill streak abilities.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You said he was shot in the back of the head. You just repeated that and now you're saying he was shot on the side.
You're contradicting yourself while telling someone "there's no logical reason to defend this."
Anyone can see that he was not shot in the back of his head.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
We really celebrating 2nd year game release anniversaries now?
Ulysses 31
Member
I agree that Joel's wound seems more serious to me but the would wasn't left unattended like Tommy's was which is why I lean more into accepting Joel survived it.
You seem to assume that all the blood we see in my screenshot is the totality of the blood loss. I'm under the assumption the wound continues bleeding which is why I hammer on the not attending the wound point.
Kiya's Guard
Member
Played on base ps4 when it released (and all the world was raging on the plot). I really wish we could replay this on pc. At least, part 1 with 2's gameplay on pc, I'm totally in!
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Joel's wound is fatal. Tommy's wound isn't, which means Tommy had ample amount of time to be left unattended.
I never said it was all the blood he lost. You think that amount of blood is pouring out of his body every second, which would be impossible coming from his eye. A person's eye would hold a decent amount of blood, and it's going to have splatter if shot.
A similar injury happened in The Walking Dead. Since TLOU referenced The Walking Dead in the first game, it wouldn't surprise me if they got Tommy's injury from Carl.
But as I said many times before. You're going to spin this all day. The fact of the matter is, blood loss with Joel's injury was a major factor while that wasn't the case with Tommy. He could've survived much longer with an injury that likely only required removal of his eye and antibiotics.
Fox Mulder
Member
I still need to play it. I loved TLoU and got the platinum trophy, but got spoiled by the sequel plot leaking and I hated it and never bothered playing.
Chiggs
Gold Member
Quite an achievement to have universally-praised production values and accessibility and still manage to polarize your fanbase, evident by the reactions & sales.
Ulysses 31
Member
Joel's wound is fatal if left unattended but it wasn't, so no big issues with him surviving it ultimately.
We don't get a good look of Tommy's wound so the story teller has some wiggle room to say it wasn't that bad after all. Though it still comes across as cheap shock value to me.
However, the gang still had to travel back 1000 miles in their injured state which still stretches credulity IMO.
Video is blocked in my EU country and I didn't watch Walking Dead TV show past season 1.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
Man it had me on that same rollercoaster, equal parts up off my chair yelling no no no no and equal parts fuck you fuck this fuck that and then back to no no no no no lol I utterly loved it, from the constant WOW of the world and it's small details to the sweating balls trying to get through a level, it has everything and by the end of it all I was emotionally wrung... By a fucking videogame no less, stunning.. I honestly can't fathom how anyone can play this game start to finish and not walk away thinking it was something uniquely special
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I even remember calling my buddy and cussing to him about the game on the phone "fuck this stupid game neil fuckman and so on"
Only to call him 2 days later "dude I am coming right away with tlou2 and ps4. You are playing tlou2 motherfucker".
And he did and he love it to death ahhaaha
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
I know man how the fuck can a 3ft fat Italian plumber manage to jump and bounce around all those levels without once getting out of breath... Hell I'm still trying to figure out how you managed to switch your computer on without setting yourself on fire
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Then you would know that Carl from The Walking Dead survived a similar injury with little medical attention. The quote already explained how it's not a vital organ. Tommy would be in a lot of pain for a long period of time and blood loss wouldn't be something to really worry about. So you have things stacked up against you.. unless you can provide evidence stating otherwise. Facts show that Joel's injury required surgery and Ellie would need to know how to perform it. The "gang" didn't need to travel back 1000 miles to receive medical attention. But infection? Joel was out for weeks and it didn't show Ellie finding antibiotics prior to meeting David.
So unless you can provide evidence supporting your case that it was a fatal injury, then you really have no point.
Tripolygon
Banned
Just to further back it up, this is Tommy, his injury was even less severe than Carl's.
At this point I'm not going to keep litigating these inane pedantic arguments. It is a video game; you are required to suspend your disbelief just like every other piece of media you consume. TLOU does not require more of you than any other game, if you feel that way then I don't know how you enjoy fantasy games or any game in general.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
Are you guys really arguing over wounds in a fucking videogame??
Ulysses 31
Member
I've already alluded to that it's possible the wound looked worse because of the blood. Still leaves him and the others making it back to a place 1000 miles away with their injuries in an apocalyptic setting. It's the combination of those 2 factors that stretches credulity.
Yes it does, I won't hold TLOU to the same standard as Bayonetta or The Wonderful 101. Those games are way over the top and they make no excuses for it. TLOUs take themselves way more seriously and thus they open themselves up to more scrutiny from me.
Tripolygon
Banned
That is in your head. I have consumed just about every media the developers of this game have produced and at no point have they compared TLOU to any game in terms of how grounded it is or how serious it is. At no point have they talked about how true to life and realistic it is. When something is grounded in reality it means it has some basis to the real world and not entirely fantastical. Your scrutiny is pedantic at best and all it does is derail threads created to celebrate the game. You have been showed how Tommy's injuries is plausibly survivable using other instances in other media with a Dr talking about how it is survivable. The blood loss is survivable using real world example. Ultimately, again it is a video game.
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nominedomine
Banned
It's ND's Metal Gears Solid 2 moment, some fans got upset but will still go down as a massive success.
Ulysses 31
Member
That is on me yes, I don't paint games with the same brush but look at them individually. More serious presenting games like TLOU will get more scrutiny from me.
Games have different ways of presenting themselves. Each with different strengths and weaknesses. The seriousness of TLOU games can make emotionally investing in characters easier but also easier to break when things seem at odds with the story telling.
It's the combination with the apocalyptic setting that makes it harder to believe he just survives and travels 1000 miles back. Just taking it on faith because the story teller says so is lazy story telling IMO.
Chiggs
Gold Member
Not that your hare-brained, shoot-from-the-hip post merits a response, but I'm feeling charitable today. You ready, tiger?
- One is a game about post-apocalyptic survival, which grounds itself in gritty realism, stomach-churning violence and scavenging/crafting; the other is a 2D platformer that has never even remotely tried to be realistic.
Well, since my profession is content production and design, I routinely use computers and various content production suites to bring in my mid-six figure salary every year, which I've brought in for well over a decade now.
Feels good, man.
P.S. Let me know if you want to compare LinkedIn profiles.
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
The fact every TLOU2 topic goes down this road just shows what a massive moment it was.
Even the ones that didn't like it can't help themselves and end up commenting.
2 years later and it still bothers people.
Massive kudos to Naughty Dog. It's not everyday a game releases that isn't indifferent to anyone.
Even the ones that didn't like it can't help themselves and end up commenting.
2 years later and it still bothers people.
Massive kudos to Naughty Dog. It's not everyday a game releases that isn't indifferent to anyone.
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Krappadizzle
Member
Great graphics and sound design and production. Gameplay was fun and a good improvement over the the first. Awful story. Bad enough to literally not make me care if another ever gets released.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
TLOU2 was an incredibly detailed game, very long campaign, satisfying if non ambitious combat, wonderful presentation and sound design, great performances, and one of the only games I've ever played that nailed the dread/suspense aspect of horror. Silent Hill is always gonna be GOAT horror franchise for me, but the absolute uncertainty and oppresiveness throughout basically all of Part Ii is something to be applauded.
I'm well on record for thinking the pacing is terrible and the story, while serviceable, felt very contrived, like events occurred because Druckman wanted them to, and not as a natural result of the narrative consequences of actions, but...
Game deserves a lot of praise. Some people are extra hard on it not because of hate, but because they hold the franchise to a higher standard than other titles.
I'm well on record for thinking the pacing is terrible and the story, while serviceable, felt very contrived, like events occurred because Druckman wanted them to, and not as a natural result of the narrative consequences of actions, but...
Game deserves a lot of praise. Some people are extra hard on it not because of hate, but because they hold the franchise to a higher standard than other titles.
It's more a testimate to Last of Us 1 than anything..
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
No way in hell the first game was as controversial as the 2nd lmao.
Chiggs
Gold Member
I think this is a fair comparison, but MGS2 ended up outselling MGS. I don't think that's going to happen with TLOU2.
No it means people only care because the first one is so great..
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
no one is even talking about the first game dude. but nice try.
nominedomine
Banned
Not with TLoU Part I getting a remake, but TLoU Part II is still going to sell a lot over time, both with the remake releasing and then later with the series.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
TLOU sold over 10M copies because it was re-released...if not it would never get there.
I don't think the 2nd game will ever outsell the first due to toe TV show, the remake coming out soon...but it all depends if they remaster the second game and how successful the tv show is as well.