chromhound
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losing weight but more expensive...
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New PS5 revisions appear in AUS, new disc revision now weighs the same as a launch digital edition.
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TLZ
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Wouldn't that be why it's more expensive though? Because 6nm costs a bit more currently?
Would have never thought that weight is that unimportant, because weight = fuel. But i believe you if you worked in that business.
Trogdor1123
Member
Only if he buys it on wish!Can't wait for his analysis.
Skifi28
Member
Sounds like my wife.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
The chip is the same but smaller.
If they were making a 6nm chip thats the same physical size as the PS5s current chip then yes it would be more expensive, but since the chip is actually smaller all the R&D has already been done by TSMC/AMD/Sony, all they are doing is using less material, each wafer can give them alot more PS5 chips on the smaller node.
Its an economies of scale situation.
Generally it actually depends on the actual weight of the item.
Shipping companies basically say whatever costs more is what we are going to charge you.
If the item takes up alot of space but isnt very heavy, we will charge you based on its size.
If the item is very heavy but takes up a little space, we will charge you based on its weight.
So if you are shipping a bar of lead they charge on the weight even if the bar is only 12" long.
If you are shipping a box of feathers thats the exact same size as that bar of lead, they will charge you based on its size.
If youve ever worked logistics you can almost by eye guess what the shipping company is going to do.
Most electronics fall into the category where the shipping company makes more money charging you based on the dimensional weight of the item over its actual weight.
You can see how this affects companies irl, whenever you need to RMA an item that has free shipping you will see many times the company will ship you a box thats saves as much space as possible, thats cuz they want to save on shipping, the weight of the item hasnt changed but the dimensions of the box has, so they can save on that.
chromhound
Member
Very interesting, thank you for this
DarkMage619
$MSFT
So sad the dude received death threats to he and his family and was doxed over his opinion. It's just a video game console.Can't wait for his analysis.
Good to see hardware revisions and hopefully we'll see some downward price revisions as well.
Trab-Pu-Kcip
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Yes I edited the original message; anyway, having the same capacity probably means no big improvement (if any).
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Rocco Schiavone
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Opinion? What are you talking about? His analysis was just shit. Pointing a heat meter at the exhaust of the console is no opinion. Especially not when you make wrong assumptions that the console will have performance issues
He got his ass roasted by Gamersnexus.
He's a clueless clown and has no idea what he was talking about.
Not that I think he deserved Death threats or to be doxed. But his Analysis was pure shit.
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
Member
No. The Wii price increased in the UK in the first 2 years.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
This gen. I’m calling Sony excuse bullshit (supply/parts) as same factors are affecting both Nintendo and Microsoft and they didn’t increase the price of their consoles.
He emphasized his opinions as facts and believed them. ...he was proven wrong scientifically and still kept on bullshitting...
He is a glorafied retard.
Captain Toad
Banned
Sony is raising their price on most of their hardware - tvs, monitors, headphones, etc. It's not a decision exclusive to PlayStation and chances are Jim Ryan had no say in it.
Captain Toad
Banned
You can't include Nintendo in that. The Switch is in its sixth year, already in stock everywhere and is using technology prehistoric comparatively to PS5 and Series X. Honestly, them still selling the Switch at its launch price in 2017 is more shocking than PS5's 5-10% increase in certain regions.
Plus, they kind of did raise the price, by moving to the OLED which is even more than the already overpriced base model.
Microsoft can and will eat the cost. They not only can afford it, but having a significantly smaller player base, thry need things like this to start making up ground.
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
I don't recall him ever stating that his opinion was a certified fact. I don't recall him saying that his opinion was an official scientific based conclusion. His channel is all about opinions. He looked at the new heatsink, one the first to do, and concluded that the original was better. A point that was never really verified one way or the other.
Gamers nexus stated a heat gun was not a scientific test but again I didn't hear anybody say that it was. People post stuff on the internet all the time and it's not a reason to get bent out of shape. At least we agree that the death threats were entirely insane especially over video games.
bitbydeath
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Seems to be just disc drive ones from what I’ve heard and Sony reduced the disc drive noise through an update a while back.
LordOfChaos
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Is this the 6nm revision rumored I wonder? It wasn't enough for a full on Slim model but a smaller heatsink maybe
RoadHazard
Gold Member
What do you mean, are you saying coil whine doesn't exist? You are factually wrong. Disc drive noise sounds completely different.
gundalf
Member
Likely by switching to play-doh for the discdrive and joystick components.
bitbydeath
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I’m not doubting, as any product could get any conceivable defect. But the disc drive noise did fix noise issues for those that had that particular issue.
Tommi84
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IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO FIX COIL WHINE USING A SOFTWARE UPDATE. Please stop and believe the users that have this thing. I have coil whine, it's TOTALLY DIFFERENT than disc spinning. The disc drive noise was when the console would spin the drive every 40min or so (even if you were playing a digital game xD). Coil whine is constant in more demanding games
Coil whine is caused by Sony cheaping out on power supply components
bitbydeath
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I’m sure some people have it, could have just been a bad batch though since it isn’t a widespread issue.
Probably not that much. The max weight for a 40' container is like 20,000KG. Ballpark 2,000 consoles based on the dimensions of my PS5 box. PS5 weighs around 5KG. A fully stuff container of launch PS5 is probably just around half of the maximum allowed weight. Sony probably isn't saving much on logistics unless the boxes for the new revisions take up a significantly smaller volume of space. The real savings is probably in manufacturing by using lighter/cheaper/fewer materials. Manufacturing costs are probably the biggest cost so any reduction is great for Sony.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Sure. That problem was that the disc would start spinning at random points I think. And that's super noisy.
But coil whine is a separate problem, which many (but not all) PS5s seem to have. It's definitely more widespread than just a few isolated cases.
tommib
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Another 300 pages thread incoming with people measuring the PS5’s temperature with a thermometer up it’s as. Can’t fucking wait. Let’s go!Can't wait for his analysis.
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Makoto-Yuki
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Let me know when they release a PS5 Slim with a price cut.
John Wick
Member
It amazes me how dense some people and feign ignorance. Costs are going up for everything.
Just read this article about shipping to get an idea of costs involved to transport goods.
"Transporting a 40-foot steel container of cargo by sea from Shanghai to Rotterdam now costs a record $10,522, a whopping 547% higher than the seasonal average over the last five years."
time.com
Just read this article about shipping to get an idea of costs involved to transport goods.
"Transporting a 40-foot steel container of cargo by sea from Shanghai to Rotterdam now costs a record $10,522, a whopping 547% higher than the seasonal average over the last five years."
Surge in Shipping Costs Globally Could Cause Price Hikes From Coffee to Toys
The skyrocketing price of shipping goods across the globe could cause price hikes from a cup of coffee to toys
bitbydeath
Member
A lot of them got proven to be fake.
Just people shit stirring with hair dryers blasting next to them for laughs.
How is a hair dryer supposed to fake a disc drive or coil whine? A fan, yes maybe. But a spinning drive or coil whine?
//DEVIL//
Member
Lol.
The disc drive randomly spinning was real though. But that was fixed via firmware update. I believe it still does but at lower unnoticed speed.
Coil whine was a different issue and that can't be fixed unless Sony does add a layer of sort of ...( forgot what it's called but it's like gel/ paste ) thing on some parts of the PSU to reduce the vibration noise )
My 3090 strix had coil whine but my previous 3080 ftw3 didn't ( or at least was not noticeable at all.
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Gen.Grievous
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You mean facts. Parts, materials and shipping being more expensive together with unfavourable currency rates in most areas except US are simply facts. Nintendo is losing some profit per unit sold (they are selling really old hardware with a healthy profit already though) and Microsoft is willing to eat the additional losses which is commendable.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Funniest thing is it’s a logical thing to do (measure temperature differences when a cooling component changes) - the rabid defence from the Sony defence force was something to behold
bitbydeath
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SoloKingRobert
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so a pound lighter and $50 more.
SONY WHAT THE FUCK
All for $799,99 Dollars
Airbus Jr
Banned
prices are going up everywhere as economy in bit of a colapse look at usd and euro conversion.
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RoadHazard
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Coil whine sounds nothing like a fan/hair dryer. Here's an example and also explanation:
And here's another one:
I could find you ten more easily.
Now these are obviously very amplified, it's not that loud in reality, and of course you can also hear the fan and sometimes the disc drive in these videos. But that's unrelated, the coil whine is the very obvious buzzing sound that's separate from the fan noise.
What I mostly hear from my PS5 is the coil whine (which is pretty much constant when a game is running) and the disc drive (which is intermittent). The fan is usually rather quiet, the coil whine can usually be easily heard over it. And it's very easy to tell which is which, again, they're completely different noises.
Maybe some dumbasses put up fake videos, but this is a very real issue. I don't know why you're trying to debunk it.
Why the fuck would I pretend to have an issue like that? What's wrong with you?
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bitbydeath
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I feel like you don’t know what a hair dryer sounds like or are just taking the piss?
Either case, a lot of the early reports were debunked. You can find them on old threads here.
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RoadHazard
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What are you talking about? You are either trolling or you have incredibly low IQ.
BlackTron
Member
That behavior makes those people infinitely worse than he is but I'm not surprised that people were outraged.
He didn't deserve that kind of response, but he did deserve some pushback for such a brain-dead video that gave people ammunition to run with. He was essentially posing as someone who knew what he was doing (false) and spreading misinformation.
If your "opinion" is so badly informed you really shouldn't be doing a video like that, to me it was like the Verge PC build level bad. How can you be a supposed gaming/tech guy and measure the temperature of a console by its exhaust?? Maybe I should upgrade the cooling on my PC...when I see the temps go down, where is all that heat energy going? Oh right...OUT THE EXHAUST...
bitbydeath
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//DEVIL//
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Both of my ps5 did have that when I had them . But it wasn't so bad. The only way I was able to hear it if i was close to it and everything in mute. Which I get it because I am OCD. But when it comes to normal human being, this is not an issue lol
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RoadHazard
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Wow, you are the dumbest poster I've interacted with for quite some time, an absolute moron. You don't even have any real responses, just pathetic trolling.
bitbydeath
Member
Yeah, I’m not denying that some did have it, but it got blown out of proportion to make people think it was a bigger issue than it was, like how others faked the smoking Xbox.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
No they didn't, it was clearly a hair dryer, that I guess you must have accidentally left running every time you used your consoles. Even though coil whine sounds nothing like a hair dryer whatsoever.
bitbydeath
Member
And yet you’re the one getting angry, hmmmm.