The ones involved in facilitating Ellie's murder are not free of blame here. Joel is in the right to stop them too if they're in his way.
How come there's no critique of how the Fireflies handled things here? Had they been more reasonable, there may not have been a bloodbath.
The biggest mistake they made was telling Joel the truth. Should have lied to him, its what I would have done -- but either way Joel is a piece of shit for what he did even if what they did was shitty as well.
Nah, there was absolutely no attempt to make the Firelflies appear as anything other than your basic dehumanised bad guys, and pretty retarded red neck types on top of that.
Yeah but those guys pushed Joel, twice.
Exactly. Ellie had no idea she was going to have to die for the vaccine. She was literally looking forward to taking guitar lessons and settling down in Tommy's town after they "took some blood" or whatever she innocently thought.
There are several times when she muscles guys around. Let's just agree to disagree before we get banned for spamming.
You say that, but if one of your favorite protagonists was switched out with something dumb, you would react too.
Technically both of them.
Yeah. If Marlene wants to be the decision maker regarding Ellie's life, then SHE should have trekked her across the country. But she asked Joel. And by doing so, Marlene took a risk. Maybe Joel and Ellie would live, maybe Joel and Ellie would die on their journey, maybe Joel would have no problem seeing Ellie die for the vaccine, maybe Joel will become attached to Ellie and not allow her to go through with it . That's the risk. Marlene screwed up
She has the right build for sure, the problem is she's in her mid-30s while Abby is in her early-20s, even younger during the flashbacks and I don't think this chick can't pass for a 17-year old under any circumstances unless they give her the RDJ treatment with CGI to make her look a lot younger. Would probably be way too expensive though.After watching the latest Ant-Man movie, I think there's a chance that Abby could be the person who played Jentorra in Quantumania. She has the height, the build, and can act well enough.
Depends on which moment in the game. During the Future Days part she was like 15. Right before Joel died she was 19 AFAIK, same age as Bella currently even though they're defiinitely not filming anymore while she's still 19. Then she was around 20 or 21 in Santa Barbara.
Because we were seeing his facial expression, or lack thereof. In the game, we play as him, we only see the back of his head. It's psychological.
They shouldn't' have but I suspect that the writers didn't want to paint the Fireflies too much as the villains here(though IMO they failed that either way) .
The Fireflies don't have any evidence of anything they're achieved in finding a cure other than failures, why would it be different with Ellie without at least some tests and monitoring first before proceeding to kill their first and only special "specimen" so quickly? There's no ticking time bomb in the story that required the operation to happen so soon.
They could've laid out the situation to both Joel and Ellie and let her make the decision, maybe she could even talk Joel into accepting it and give them some time to tie up any loose ends first.
Yup. That's all they did. Excellent way of watering down the truth
Here's the thing, that specific plot point is too big to change. I think they'll definitely try to delay the inevitable & maybe cover what Joel & Ellie were doing during the 5-year time gap between Part I & II.
I think they're in a very difficult spot. This is one of the challenges in adapting incomplete work. If the game series was 100% completed, they could have an endpoint in mind that they're reaching. Without having that knowledge, any major plot change is much more tenuous.
I think it will be littered with Joel flashbacks to get a connection all the way through. Say Joel dies in Episode 1, he will be gone in episode 2 (to maximise his loss) and by the end of episode 3 I could see a Joel flashback and have flashbacks litter the rest of the series.
Hopefully doesnt require a cold chain either and I'm sure everyone would easily run up to their local clinic to get it. The fireflies are indeed trash and so is this idea of finding a cure after all of this while killing a teenager for it.
The start of the show had an expert on the talk show who said we're fucked. We had a scientist say bomb the city once she heard a case existed.
What kinda monster are you to not laugh at her bigot sandwiches joke?
I like this take on it.
Why would Ellie be exactly the same after all of the stuff she is going through?
You can have a character evolve while still being likable. Being different and unlikable don't have to be mutually exclusive. They turned a complex nuanced character into a one-track revenge-driven robot. For creators who were brilliant in Part 1, Ellie was your cookie cutter revenge-filled protag in Part 2. Bland and boring.
Exactly.
Lol! This doesn't make sense.
TLOU2 seems to hint at that Marlene did suspect Joel cares about Ellie "He travelled across the country with her. He has a right to know(about the surgery).". So with that in mind it's weird she still informs Joel but then threatens him when he doesn't approve of killing Ellie. Then there's still the moral issue of not bothering to ask what Ellie wants. What I described earlier might've taken care of all that and make the Fireflies look less like thugs.
Yes, all that requires suspension of disbelief. Not to mention the Fireflies being at war with Fedra would complicate that as well. They don't have the manpower to mass create and distribute a vaccine.
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