Zen5 Review Thread.

Sanepar said:
Wtf zen5 is worse than zen4?
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No. It's slightly faster.
But a lot more efficient in multithread workloads.

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When i saw Leonidas in the OP. Even with the title i said well this is going to be bad. He must be enjoying this. Will watch this later. Sad this release sucks. Wasted opportunity.
 
7800x3d still king for gaming when looking at value. $371 on Amazon and readily available.

Need to see this gen's x3d CPU before I bite on anything.
 
Don't know why people complain, that's have more perf than 13th/14th Intel without the instability/crash/security trick shit from Intel, and without changing your motherboard.

Just wait 3D version if you want more perf.
 
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PeteBull said:
In some games its actually slower tho , vs much cheaper 7700x from last gen, and in all games its slower from 2,5yo 5800x3d :p
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Yes, the 9700X loses in a few games to the 7700X. But it's still faster on average.
And, the 9700X is not slower than a 5800X3D. I wish it was, because I have one myself.
 
winjer said:
Yes, the 9700X loses in a few games to the 7700X. But it's still faster on average.
And, the 9700X is not slower than a 5800X3D. I wish it was, because I have one myself.
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I saw tests in many games where it is, u will be fine with ur 5800x3d for a while still, at the least till zen6 x3d, maybe even longer :)
 
According to LTT, AMD have focused on efficiency this time around which makes it feel like it is designed for adaptation to laptops, consoles, handhelds and what not.

 
winjer said:
No. It's slightly faster.
But a lot more efficient in multithread workloads.

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Literally no one buying an X processor gives a flying fuck about efficiency. These are performance desktop parts, 99% of which go in 3+ foot tall cases with 60 watts of RGB lights, 5+ fans, and a 400+ watt GPU. Efficiency in this market only matters if it translates to higher clocks and faster fps/workloads, which this clearly does not. Instead it saves 2 cents on your annual power bill.
 
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YCoCg said:
According to LTT, AMD have focused on efficiency this time around which makes it feel like it is designed for adaptation to laptops, consoles,
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More like this based on Xbox leaks. PS6 maybe going to Zen6

A bit conflicting info
Z6 is by the Z4/Z2 team
4/3 were the same team, 5 is from the 1/2 team
 
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Not surprised to see some people grasping trying to make this release seem okay.

scydrex said:
When i saw Leonidas in the OP. Even with the title i said well this is going to be bad. He must be enjoying this. Will watch this later. Sad this release sucks. Wasted opportunity.
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I'm just glad that I correctly called that AMD's benchmarks were heavily cherry picked. Something I knew 2 months ago after seeing how AMD arrived at their 1st party results. AMD can't fool me.
 
marquimvfs said:
The king from value perspective would be 5800X3D
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Well, I'm not really considering 2 gen's ago if I'm being honest. If I'm gonna spend anything, it would be for a significant performance boost over what I currently have, which is a 5800x. 5800x3d is not a big enough jump to be considered, plus it's on AM4. Not much of an upgrade IMO.
 
Leonidas said:
Not surprised to see some people grasping trying to make this release seem okay.

I'm just glad that I correctly called that AMD's benchmarks were heavily cherry picked. Something I knew 2 months ago after seeing how AMD arrived at their 1st party results. AMD can't fool me.
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Almost everyone said those benchmarks were cherry picked, because that is what AMD, Intel, Nvidia, ARM, Apple, and every other company do.
That is why we all said we need independent benchmarks. So many times.
What we disputed is your insistence that Intel is the only one that does not publish cherry picked benchmarks.
We all know you are an Intel fanboy. Through and through.
 
Disappointing, maybe Arrow Lake would be the killer CPU this gen but after the recent Intel debacles and the lacklustre leaked results it might end up being a disappointment as well.
 
Zathalus said:
Disappointing, maybe Arrow Lake would be the killer CPU this gen but after the recent Intel debacles and the lacklustre leaked results it might end up being a disappointment as well.
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Im big intel fan and still got oced 8700k in my rig, but definitely not gonna touch intel cpu's anytime soon, likely gonna wait for 9800x3d+ 5090 combo next year if prices arent too crazy, but who really knows :P
 
winjer said:
What we disputed is your insistence that Intel is the only one that does not publish cherry picked benchmarks.
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All I remember is how you people said I was lying when I said Raptor Lake would beat Zen5 in at least one of the cherry picked titles, and that very thing ended up happening.

I even put a ban bet on the line, and you didn't take it, cause you knew I wasn't lying. If you took that bet, you wouldn't be posting here today...
 
Leonidas said:
All I remember is how you people said I was lying when I said Raptor Lake would beat Zen5 in at least one of the cherry picked titles, and that very thing ended up happening.

I even put a ban bet on the line, and you didn't take it, cause you knew I wasn't lying. If you took that bet, you wouldn't be posting here today...
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Thanks for proving my point.
 
Zathalus said:
Disappointing, maybe Arrow Lake would be the killer CPU this gen but after the recent Intel debacles and the lacklustre leaked results it might end up being a disappointment as well.
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At this point I wouldn't care if Arrow Lake is a failure too. I'm quite happy with my 13600K and its Zen5 like gaming performance.
 
Haint said:
Literally no one buying an X processor gives a flying fuck about efficiency. These are performance desktop parts, 99% of which go in 3+ foot tall cases with 60 watts of RGB lights, 5+ fans, and a 400+ watt GPU.
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Not true. It's less about the total wattage of the system, more about temps and cooling. Some of us would like to use an air cooler with fans running at a quiet speed, rather than running the fans full blast or paying more for an AIO.
 
Leonidas said:
All I remember is how you people said I was lying when I said Raptor Lake would beat Zen5 in at least one of the cherry picked titles, and that very thing ended up happening.

I even put a ban bet on the line, and you didn't take it, cause you knew I wasn't lying. If you took that bet, you wouldn't be posting here today...
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No1 sane gonna get intel cpu, bro, even at those nasty zen5 prices, we will simply either sit on our old ones or go for 7800x3d, or maybe go for 9800x3d if its actually good(dont care about price, can be 600usd/euro as long as its 15% above 7800x3d in games :P )
Not buying intel coz fk having portable nuke at ur desk, fk that thought :messenger_weary:
 
DonkeyPunchJr said:
Not true. It's less about the total wattage of the system, more about temps and cooling. Some of us would like to use an air cooler with fans running at a quiet speed, rather than running the fans full blast or paying more for an AIO.
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Haint Haint It also does matter in places where the energy cost is high and there's several computers running. Like professional usage in almost any mid company outside USA.

Helps OEM a lot in Europe too, to comply with strict energy consumption regulation.
 
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PeteBull said:
I saw tests in many games where it is, u will be fine with ur 5800x3d for a while still, at the least till zen6 x3d, maybe even longer :)
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I love it when it happens, but yes, I think AMD overachieved with the 5800x3d, which is great for consumers, but not for their profits.
 


Unlock PBO for zen5 to beat zen4 in games, but you need extra 20W.

Zen5 can run up to 40W more than zen4 at the same temps.

tsmc 4nm early woes, it is nothing. Amd will be back
 
PeteBull said:
No1 sane gonna get intel cpu, bro, even at those nasty zen5 prices
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I think its silly to overlook the 13600K/14600K. The issues for those CPUs seem to be in normal levels as far as I'm aware.

Zen5 gaming performance and much better than similarly priced Zen5 in productivity.

But Raptor Lake is very old news and those i5s are still holding up.

After Arrow Lake launches in 2-3 months the aging Raptor Lake could soon be forgotten.

PeteBull said:
or maybe go for 9800x3d if its actually good(dont care about price, can be 600usd/euro as long as its 15% above 7800x3d in games
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After seeing the abysmal gaming increase of Zen5 over Zen4, the chance of Zen5 3D being 15% above 7800X3D is extremely low.
 
Leonidas said:
I think its silly to overlook the 13600K/14600K. The issues for those CPUs seem to be in normal levels as far as I'm aware.

Zen5 gaming performance and much better than similarly priced Zen5 in productivity.

But Raptor Lake is very old news and those i5s are still holding up.

After Arrow Lake launches in 2-3 months the aging Raptor Lake could soon be forgotten.


After seeing the abysmal gaming increase of Zen5 over Zen4, the chance of Zen5 3D being 15% above 7800X3D is extremely low.
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It is until the Microcode update gets tested and reviewed. If that microcode does give stability fixes and solves the issue, then 14600K and 13600K are very viable options.
 
JohnnyFootball said:
It is until the Microcode update gets tested and reviewed. If that microcode does give stability fixes and solves the issue, then 14600K and 13600K are very viable options.
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The issue won't be solved, just prevented. It's also unknown if and how it will affect performance.
 
Im concerned for the 9800x3d. If the perf upgrade over the 7800x3d is the same as the 9700x over the 7700x, then maybe ill just grab the 7800x3d once it goes on sale.
 
JohnnyFootball said:
That's why I said it was silly to buy those right now. We will know a lot more next week.
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Gotcha. The point is that is not silly to avoid those even after the patch, given that we truly don't know how those processors will behave regarding their defects. The new microcode could extend their life a year or two, and then fail, or they could live almost eternally with a minor 5% performance downgrade. Just wait for the results after the microcode isn't enough for people who stay in a platform for almost a decade and then sell everything, like me. I would avoid them like the plague.
 
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JohnnyFootball said:
It is until the Microcode update gets tested and reviewed. If that microcode does give stability fixes and solves the issue, then 14600K and 13600K are very viable options.
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Is 13600K/14600K experiencing instability? If the 13600K/14600K stability was never a problem then people were waiting and fearing from nothing, that's all I'm saying.
 
StereoVsn said:
So absolutely pointless if you have 7000 series. I also now wonder if there is going to be any point in getting 9800x3d.

The one good thing is that this will drive down 7000 series pricing. What a shit show on the consumer CPU front from both AMD and Intel.
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Gimme that 7800X3D for 300 dollars again plox
 
marquimvfs said:
Haint Haint It also does matter in places where the energy cost is high and there's several computers running. Like professional usage in almost any mid company outside USA.

Helps OEM a lot in Europe too, to comply with strict energy consumption regulation.
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Companies fleet purchase small form factors with non-X/K sku's (often even laptop trays in them) which was my point, they're not the market for these.

DonkeyPunchJr said:
Not true. It's less about the total wattage of the system, more about temps and cooling. Some of us would like to use an air cooler with fans running at a quiet speed, rather than running the fans full blast or paying more for an AIO.
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Literally a $30 peerless assassin aircooler will max clock a 7700X without breaking a sweat and a single PBO calibration will barely run the fans at all, completely inaudible.
 
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Haint said:
Companies fleet purchase small form factors with non-X/K sku's (often even laptop trays in them) which was my point, they're not the market for these.
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Not really. I've just built 7 Ryzens X for an architect's office. Sometimes the performance matters and not everyone buys overpriced oems workstations.
 
marquimvfs said:
Not really. I've just built 7 Ryzens X for an architect's office. Sometimes the performance matters and not everyone buys overpriced oems workstations.
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And how much do you think the 5 - 50 Watt efficiency gain, only under active max load, would actually save you a year? Only seeing a return an infinitesimally small fraction of the time, maybe a few bucks a year for the whole fleet. You could save 1000x more switching toilet paper brands.
 
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7800x3d just dropped to $350 on amazon, scooped one up for my son's Fractal Terra build after watching the reviews for the 9700x. The efficiency is impressive but the 7800x3d is not that far behind in that regard and trounces it in gaming which will be the primary use of that build.
 
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