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Camerin Wild, writer of Goodbye Volcano High
Quelle surprise
Camerin Wild, writer of Goodbye Volcano High
It's even funnier when you learn that Goodbye Volcano High got upstaged by a parody game made by 4chan.Quelle surprise
These Sweet Baby fucks have zero charisma.
Makes you wonder about the people running the publishers doesn't it? They are all sick and stick together it seems. The industry needs to be purged and fast.Also clearly racist against white people, unless said white person is part of the LGBTQ+ community.
I'm honestly shocked that game publishers would get involved with such a hateful company.
That isn't what he is saying, though. In my comment I called out he is using opaque academic language in a way I agree is problematic. When he says "whiteness" he means "the concept of whiteness as an exclusionary category to enshrine privilege for one group" not as an actual race of people.i think you missed the joke here buddy.
what this person is saying is that the industry is permeated with "whiteness", "burning down the game industry" as in: destroying whitness.
this shit is insane. it's something you expect to hear someone like Hitler say.
I appreciate you actually posting the whole thing. I think it's pretty clear from the full talk that it's being badly misrepresented by the OP and others, but I still have my own criticisms of it.
My notes for the zero of you who care:
- He is definitely neck deep academic theory talk that can be really cringe and counterproductive. Like the way he casually uses "whiteness" to refer to the cultural concept of what it means to be "white," as it relates to excluding others. I understand the intent but it just sounds like "fuck white people" to most white people so maybe don't say it like that, especially in the context of a talk about writing for diverse audiences.
- His defense of Blazing Saddles is smart and on-point, and that's obviously a movie that a lot of people consider "too offensive" these days.
- But the critique of Tarantino spirals into what sounds like vendetta. There are some points that are fair (inserting of "white perspective characters" or white saviors in black stories is absolutely a valid criticism), and I think even Tarantino would probably agree that he fetishizes black "coolness" in his stories, but then he just says he needs to be "critiqued out of existence" which is almost a parody of what anti-woke crusaders think criticism is. And also exactly the sort of thing people try to say about SBI.
- The part about "burning the games industry to the ground" seems to be a joke, because when he actually speaks about this slide he just says that financial motivations get in the way of telling good stories, something I think would offend no one.
- None of his actual advice to writers here seems especially bad or controversial.
Cut the shit, MC. No one is confused about the word 'woke'. When someone says "Man, they turned my favorite RPG into woke trash" on a random Dragon Age Veilguard trailer, people know exactly what they mean.A) Throwing the word woke or other buzzwords at anything they don't like and thus causing mass confusion
We're not an organized campaign lol. I do a agree that some people are cringe but I have no control over that. Like, just because I happen to agree with Grummz on a particular issue, doesn't mean I consume his content, engage with it, or respect him in any way.Lastly, if you guys really want the more casual gaming audience to understand your plight, you need to be more organized and your members need to be more rational and less edgy/jaded.
I don't do this and agree that it's a dumb argument. "Terminator had a female lead and I loved it!" I roll my eyes every time. We're in agreement here.And for crying out loud, stop doubling down on older media. This culture war stuff is newer, so the minute someone else brings up something from the 90s or early 2000s that you would deem as 'woke' today, just concede the point to them and find another, reasonable way to explain your position. The minute you lie and say 'Well no I didn't like the movie Alien it's a bad movie' or something just as ridiculous you're going to receive an instant side eye/eyebrow raise.
Considering there's a bunch of perfectly good games, regardless of their sales being large or small, and even a number of rather huge titles listed as "not recommended" on that page....yeah, that's probably not going to work out the way you think.
For the record, in isolation I can agree with a number of specific complaints (not all of them), but others just come across like "look at these DEI people, they're eating crackers".
There's no shit to cut. When someone says that line for a 3 minute trailer of another game that barely shows anything it confuses others and makes you guys look bad. Also, again, I'm talking about the bad actors here. When you guys cover for them it seriously makes you look bad. If you want more people to join your cause, you have to find a way through this.Cut the shit, MC. No one is confused about the word 'woke'. When someone says "Man, they turned my favorite RPG into woke trash" on a random Dragon Age Veilguard trailer, people know exactly what they mean.
You could be. You could be organized, seen more legitimate, etc. This doesn't have to be the mess that it currently is.We're not an organized campaign lol. I do a agree that some people are cringe but I have no control over that. Like, just because I happen to agree with Grummz on a particular issue, doesn't mean I consume his content, engage with it, or respect him in any way.
Holy shit do you really think this is a clever idea that anyone should take seriously?When he says "whiteness" he means "the concept of whiteness as an exclusionary category to enshrine privilege for one group" not as an actual race of people.
Until the very end, where he accuses Brooks of not doing enough for indigenous representation, calling that aspect an abject failure and emphasizing how only with their help the western genre can be transformed. So putting all those pieces together, it sounds like this person thinks Blazing Saddles is only a small step in the right direction.But it doesn't mean he thinks white people are bad. The whole talk is literally about praising Mel Brooks for doing a good job of writing a black character. It's impossible to construe this in context as saying white people are bad or shouldn't write about race, he literally uses Mel Brooks as his reference point for good throughout the entire talk.
You look at this they/them's face and you just know that in decades prior, someone would have punched the stupid out of him, not given him a job.
I really, really hope we're returning to that. It feels like it, but it's been years of this.
That dev in the video is so ugly, she is the reason Sonic the hedgehog runs.
We are not ResetEra. We aren't trying to enforce boycotts on games. People are free to consume and like what they want. We're just speaking our minds and voting with our wallets. If that's all it takes to tank these games then these companies are doing something very wrong.You could be. You could be organized, seen more legitimate, etc. This doesn't have to be the mess that it currently is.
You could be. You could be organized, seen more legitimate, etc. This doesn't have to be the mess that it currently is.
I think an uncomfortable truth that is emerging for them and anyone who aligns with their nonsense is… they lost.
Just racist things.hen he says "whiteness" he means "the concept of whiteness as an exclusionary category to enshrine privilege for one group" not as an actual race of people.
We are not ResetEra. We aren't trying to enforce boycotts on games. People are free to consume and like what they want. We're just speaking our minds and voting with our wallets. If that's all it takes to tank these games then these companies are doing something very wrong.
And this is why the movement will remain messy and unfocused. One of the tells will be the day when SBI is either ostracized or simply collapses. If that day ever comes, keep a close eye on what people do next and see if some of the bad actors take things too far.Your problem is thinking that the mass market consumer's common sense is a "movement" that needs fostering.
It doesn't.
People like the ones you were responding to, need only continue these conversations. That's it. Just highlight the lunacy of these ideologue activists intent on ruining our hobby and the mainstream gamer will vote with their wallet.
We don't need to give a fuck about the more extreme elements of the anti-woke right. We, i.e. the mainstream majority gamer, neither engage with those elements as we do the extreme elements on the left.
We're just here to play games and have fun, and when we see something shit, we'll call it out, laugh and mock it, and then vote with our wallets so that shit like that doesn't get a chance at a sequel.
We're not activists and we don't need to be. Activists are people who try to influence (or in the case of these ideologue culture warriors, gaslight the majority) the majority by highlighting an issue the activists care about. We ARE the majority and we refuse to be gaslit.
Impossible, because many people live off these outrages. An extreme movement creates its inevitable opposite. We are nobodies just enjoying our hobby and making fun of freaks online. Youtubers and twitter rage-baiters are the ones to "organize".
and whitness comes from where?.... white peopleThat isn't what he is saying, though. In my comment I called out he is using opaque academic language in a way I agree is problematic. When he says "whiteness" he means "the concept of whiteness as an exclusionary category to enshrine privilege for one group" not as an actual race of people.
excaclty, as a Mexican when you say: "critical race theory" I'm like "what the fuck is that" (I don't care BTW). but you are right with the fact that these people live in a bubble in real life and onlinePeople who don't spend all day talking about critical race theory are not going to understand you if you talk this way and it definitely speaks to what a bubble he lives in. All of that is fair.
oh boy.But it doesn't mean he thinks white people are bad.
... why tho?... i think is the use of consultants, right?The whole talk is literally about praising Mel Brooks for doing a good job of writing a black character.
Unless they get rid of their "whiteness"It's impossible to construe this in context as saying white people are bad or shouldn't write about race,
the use of consultants.he literally uses Mel Brooks as his reference point for good throughout the entire talk.
I mean it's a talk about writing better stories, which is obviously relevant to games, whether or not you agree with what his advice.I could shred every point to bits but I will get straight to the core question, the one that truly matters: why the fuck is this crazy discourse relevant to video games?
I mean I did roll my eyes and call that out, so we agree there. But I do know what he means and I'm not going to deliberately misconstrue it as something else either.This guy is not preaching at a sociology university, he works for a videogames consultancy firm. All these concepts don't belong in the gaming industry. The fact that you read stuff like "whiteness" and don't roll your eyes tells me how deep you are in the rabbit hole.
No one is above criticism, the point here isn't that he shouldn't be allowed to criticize Tarantino (I love QT fwiw), it's whether or not his criticisms are valid and useful.Talentless freaks like this should clean their mouths when discussing a true talent like Tarantino. For fucks sake.
The more you keep telling us to calm down and stop doing things, the more I am going to so it. Youve shown your bad intentions under the veneer of objective, rational person. But it's all liesAnd this is why the movement will remain messy and unfocused. One of the tells will be the day when SBI is either ostracized or simply collapses. If that day ever comes, keep a close eye on what people do next and see if some of the bad actors take things too far.
I mean legitimate in terms of people taking you more seriously. There is still a large majority that don't because of the multiple factors I've listed above. Don't let a stars-aligning moment like Concord blind you to this.
Exactly, if you have been following the discourse over the past decade. You can see at every junction, when they lose, their tune changes. Softens up a bit. The bargaining and rationalizing. Like spoiled angry children. Can't take an L.Already I'm seeing an unusual amount of bargaining and softening of aggression from them to protect their precious moral blackmail gravy train. Reality simply has a 'right wing' bias and they're slowly starting to realise that the majority of people now see the far-left is primarily self-serving rather than selfless, no matter what they tell themselves.
You're joking, right?Lets see IGN, PC Gamer and Kotaku picking up this story.
It's clearly sarcasm because obviously they won't.You're joking, right?
Yes. That is the point of the comment I assume.You're joking, right?
The more you keep telling us to calm down and stop doing things, the more I am going to so it. Youve shown your bad intentions under the veneer of objective, rational person. But it's all lies
I didn't say anything about calming down or stopping, I'm giving legitimate advice. Take it or leave it but you're going to have to eventually deal with the problems I've mentioned, in the future.This should have happened a long time ago instead of letting it get so out of hand and lead to all of this pushback, and trying to police said pushback instead
I do. Companies and people like SBI took advantage of retards working at marketing departments of bigger companies and publishers and made them think the extremely loud and vocal minority was actually the majority and terrified them into compliance and ruined every single fucking IP I loved in the west and turned them into bland, tedious, boring pieces of crap. All in the name of 'inclusivity', as if before those mentally challenged fuckwits there weren't female or non-white protagonists ever.I have no issue with Sweat Baby Inc
No. And again my point here is not to defend his use of the term, which I called out as confusing and problematic. But if you are genuinely curious as to the answer I am just here to try to help explain.and whitness comes from where?.... white people
If you aren't American then none of this should make any sense to you, this is strictly rooted in American culture and history. No other country really thinks or talks about these things this way.excaclty, as a Mexican when you say: "critical race theory" I'm like "what the fuck is that" (I don't care BTW). but you are right with the fact that these people live in a bubble in real life and online
No, I think the point he is making (sometimes more clearly than other times) is that Mel Brooks wanted to tell a black story so he kept the focus on the black character, and that character was consistently empowered and acted in ways that felt earned.... why tho?... i think is the use of consultants, right?
Why do I feel an irresistible impulse to slap her?
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It's going to 'burn down'. Just not in their favour.
I think an uncomfortable truth that is emerging for them and anyone who aligns with their nonsense is… they lost.
The destination is known. Companies will get back to making games the heterosexual males want and they can't do anything about it.
They have to meet us where we are.
Unless you think these companies that generate billions of dollars want to suddenly shrink that pie and drive around in Toyota Camrys.
In a few years time these names and voices will be forgotten.
Yeah, like that female black head dev where they said that they PURPOSEFULLY didn't want to hire ANY white people because she wanted to create a 'SAFE' environment for her employees.But it doesn't mean he thinks white people are bad.
I don't have the answer for you but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this Sweet Baby drama. How do you feel about it? (not bait)Who is that lady talking for Sweet Baby? Like what's her position at the company?
Here's the whole thing:
I just wonder what creative excuses you will come up with now.
Trap cards like these are needed in the free market, companies slowly start to learn and do better, the ones that don't die and the market is better for it. Once this is over companies will move on to some other retarded choices and the world moves on. There is no reason to let this shit live rent free in your head, just vote with your wallet and the market will adapt.I do. Companies and people like SBI took advantage of retards working at marketing departments of bigger companies and publishers and made them think the extremely loud and vocal minority was actually the majority and terrified them into compliance and ruined every single fucking IP I loved in the west and turned them into bland, tedious, boring pieces of crap. All in the name of 'inclusivity', as if before those mentally challenged fuckwits there weren't female or non-white protagonists ever.
All they did was make characters as ugly as they are, both on the inside and the outside.
They can get fucked.
I don't have the answer for you but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this Sweet Baby drama. How do you feel about it? (not bait)
In a few years time these names and voices will be forgotten.
Yep, money talks and bullshit walks! This will take a bit for the companies to figure out what is going on.It's going to 'burn down'. Just not in their favour.
I think an uncomfortable truth that is emerging for them and anyone who aligns with their nonsense is… they lost.
The destination is known. Companies will get back to making games the heterosexual males want and they can't do anything about it.
They have to meet us where we are.
Unless you think these companies that generate billions of dollars want to suddenly shrink that pie and drive around in Toyota Camrys.
In a few years time these names and voices will be forgotten.
I agree. I'm not saying don't do anything. Continue to have the conversations, point it out, push for better and speak with your wallet.The problem is there's like a 1000 heads on the snake of this thing. The longer it stays at this level it becomes more normalized. It might take a while.
As long as gamers keep getting baited on every new release and lowering their bar of standard for what's good they'll keep pushing forward with this stuff. We don't vote with our dollars enough yet.
They are the living proof why not everyone must have a voice!!!These people are just so miserable aren't they I miss the days when they had no voice and we all lived in peace to be honest.
No. And again my point here is not to defend his use of the term, which I called out as confusing and problematic. But if you are genuinely curious as to the answer I am just here to try to help explain.
The idea here is that "whiteness" doesn't actually refer to any particular race or culture at all, that as a concept it exists to enshrine a power structure and that it gets renegotiated all the time for that purpose.
Like for example there are many groups who are racially Caucasian who are generally excluded from "whiteness," like Spanish speakers, Persians and Arabs, etc. Or, historically speaking, groups like Italians and the Irish were excluded, and people with small fractions of African ancestry who appeared white.