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[Lancehead]

Rock Paper Shotgun has the confirmation: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/03/04/out-of-exile-torment-officially-going-to-kickstarter/

Chris Avellone endorsement video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p8hpnATIpqQ

IGN has a story: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/03/04/the-strange-new-world-of-torment-tides-of-numenera

Venturebeat has some stuff too: http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/04/i...revival-of-classic-role-playing-game-torment/

Polygon interview: http://www.polygon.com/2013/3/4/4060378/torment-tides-of-numenera-kickstarter-inxile-entertainment

 

[Durante]

I'll probably just go for the cheapest physical tier with this. Eternity took all my monies.

 

[JeffGrubb]

Brian Fargo talks about it here.

 

[hemtae]

I need to be less of a dirty poor.

Better get the stomach prepared for a month of ramen.

 

[Jibbajabbawockky]

I'll probably just go for the cheapest physical tier with this. Eternity took all my monies.

Yeah... between Project Eternity, Wasteland and Dead State I kind of want to see some of these Kickstarter games start coming out before plunking down a ton more money on new ones. Not that I think they won't come out and Wasteland looks solid but it still feels kind of soon. Although, I guess its been close to a year or so since Wasteland 2's kickstarter? Damn, time goes by quick.

 

[injurai]

Neat. I'm interested to see how this will play out with Numenera as the backdrop.

A completely untested setting, for a psuedo-reboot/Spiritual-successor.

 

[Remachinate]

I don't really like that they're asking fans to Kickstart another project on faith without letting us see the results of their first crowdfunded project first. I'll still kick in the minimum because of the goodwill from the original Torment, but if Wasteland 2 disappoints, I'd expect the backlash to be amplified considering they took the fans twice. I don't think even publishers double-dip with the first project still unfinished.

 

[Durante]

Yeah... between Project Eternity, Wasteland and Dead State I kind of want to see some of these Kickstarter games start coming out before plunking down a ton more money on new ones. Not that I think they won't come out and Wasteland looks solid but it still feels kind of soon. Although, I guess its been close to a year or so since Wasteland 2's kickstarter? Damn, time goes by quick.

Yeah, I would have been more concerned if we hadn't seen that gameplay video of Wasteland 2 recently. Between that and who is working for them, I'm reasonably positive that inXile can pull off a worthy Torment game.

 

[IrishNinja]

just went through torment a few years back, so the awesomeness of its writing is still fresh in my mind - down for this!

 

[Derrick01]

Avellone's endorsement is not nearly good enough for me. He should be on this game too

 

[Vaporak]

I wonder how this will turn out. My guess is that consumers won't be as enthusiastic at the idea of crowd funding every game from a developer instead of the developer using their own money from the sales of the first game.

 

[Kayhan]

Chris Avellone has a weird thumb.......

 

[Coffee Dog]

Man fuck that title. Should be Tides of Numenara: Torment. Be consistent!

 

[Keasar]

As it is set in the Numenera world, I am already sold on it.

 

[DTKT]

I wonder how this will turn out. My guess is that consumers won't be as enthusiastic at the idea of crowd funding every game from a developer instead of the developer using their own money from the sales of the first game.

Yeah, I'm actually quite unsure on how this Kickstarter will turn out. Kickstarter fatigue might hit really hard.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Cool. Will back at the minimum digital tier. Lots of exciting high fantasy CRPGs on the way. Wish there were more sci-fi ones, though.

Neat art at the RPS link.

 

[DaBuddaDa]

Yeah, I'm actually quite unsure on how this Kickstarter will turn out. Kickstarter fatigue might hit really hard.

Edit: sorry, misread.

 

[thefil]

I will back it for a low price.

<-- cheap guy

 

[Kade]

Hopefully this can succeed in an age where Kickstarter isn't as popular as it used to be.

 

[DaBuddaDa]

Hopefully this can succeed in an age where Kickstarter isn't as popular as it used to be.

What data suggests this is the case?

 

[Lancehead]

Man fuck that title. Should be Tides of Numenara: Torment. Be consistent!

Torment is the IP/brand they're using and want to promote, makes sense they put it first.

 

[SerRodrik]

Hopefully this can succeed in an age where Kickstarter isn't as popular as it used to be.

I keep hearing this, but I really think it's just because there haven't been as many really appealing pitches in a while.

 

[Miletius]

I keep hearing this, but I really think it's just because there haven't been as many really appealing pitches in a while.

Agreed. If anything I think pitches need to be better than when KS first became popular, but that doesn't mean that KS is less popular.

Looking forward to backing this one. Will probably go for a digital tier though, haven't been very keen on physical tiers for a while now.

 

[water_wendi]

Will back.

i havent really looked into Numenera but the setting looks awesome.

 

[Kade]

What data suggests this is the case?

There have been a few high profile failures or close calls (most notably all of Tom Hall's campaigns) but it's probably just this:

I keep hearing this, but I really think it's just because there haven't been as many really appealing pitches in a while.

 

[wrowa]

That they need a video of Avellone showing his support, really already shows part of the problem with this. There might be some great people with a long history of great games involved with the production of the new Torment game, but a Torment sequel without Avellone's writing is already a slight let-down in its own right.

And then there's that whole Kickstarter thing. A sequel to Torment has always been my number one wish from Kickstarter, but the way it is handled ... I'm just not sure. I definitely think it's too early for inXile to do a new kickstarter so soon. No matter how I look at it, it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth and the feeling that inXile tries to milk the Kickstarter craze.

I think it's okay to make a new Kickstarter for a new IP, as long as sequel's to the kickstarted games will be financed by the profits, but the timing with this one just isn't right. And despite knowing better, it still feels a little greedy to me...

Edit: The Numenera setting does look awesome, though. Is there any news whether they are going for a Project Eternity kind of style or full 3D like Wasteland 3? I certainly hope for the former.

 

[O.DOGG]

Torment is the game I love the most but I am skeptical about this one. First, there's no Avellone. Then, I'm not yet assured that inXile can actually produce a quality game - they haven't released Wasteland 2 yet. I'll sit this one out.

 

[morningbus]

Hopefully this can succeed in an age where Kickstarter isn't as popular as it used to be.

I mean, I understand this sentiment because my interest in Kickstarters had started to wane a bit, but then the Rifftrax kickstarter came and made 3 times the money it was asking for in a single day.

Then look at crowdfunding in general: Skullgirls is running an amazingly strong campaign on Indiegogo right now.

I think it's just returned to a more normal, pre-Double Fine state, except the smaller guys on average are doing slightly better than before. Big players can still move in and rake in a lot of cash.

 

[Llyranor]

No Avellone and no Planescape? Heh.

I'll pledge at the minimum digital level, perhaps. I've spent too much (TOO MUCH) money on Kickstarter recently. Depends on how good the pitch will be, I guess.

 

[Lancehead]

Brian Fargo talks about it here.

This might be of interest to some:

Fargo said the company is hoping to raise $1 million. He will match every dollar raised above that, up to $2 million, by throwing in another 10 percent. So if the company raises $2 million, Fargo will throw in $100,000 of his own money.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

a Torment sequel without Avellone's writing is already a slight let-down in its own right.

Agreed 100%. I'm not even sure why they want to stick with the Torment name, other than promotional purposes.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

I was about to buy Tomb Raider, now I'll save it for this. Avellone's endorsement got me at Kevin Saunders.

 

[A Human Becoming]

They should wait until Wasteland 2 comes out, but I understand why they are not. I don't like developers creating a new Kickstarter without releasing the product from their previous one first.

 

[nubbe]

Ill back the shit out of this

 

[volturnus]

Is anyone from the original Planescape staff working on this project?
It's not the same setting, Avellone isn't in, and we have yet to see a good game made by inXile. I'll pass.

 

[Llyranor]

Is anyone from the original Planescape staff working on this project?

Yes. Watch the Avellone video.

 

[Acosta]

Is anyone from the original Planescape staff working on this project?
It's not the same setting, Avellone isn't in, and we have yet to see a good game made by inXile. I'll pass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p8hpnATIpqQ

 

[mrpeabody]

Ill back the shit out of this

Same.

If the deal is that devs keep making top-down, dialogue-heavy tactical rpgs, but I have to pay them 18 months in advance, I'm ok with that.

 

[mclem]

I don't really like that they're asking fans to Kickstart another project on faith without letting us see the results of their first crowdfunded project first. I'll still kick in the minimum because of the goodwill from the original Torment, but if Wasteland 2 disappoints, I'd expect the backlash to be amplified considering they took the fans twice. I don't think even publishers double-dip with the first project still unfinished.

I wonder how this will turn out. My guess is that consumers won't be as enthusiastic at the idea of crowd funding every game from a developer instead of the developer using their own money from the sales of the first game.

Well, it's one of the realities of development - the moment you ship one product (and ideally a little sooner than that), you *absolutely* need to have the next project able to roll up, you can't just sit around and wait for revenue before the next bit of work. Normally you don't see this because it's all done on the quiet in discussions with publishers and devs but that simply isn't an option if inXile want to stick with crowdfunding for future projects.

 

[mclem]

Man fuck that title. Should be Tides of Numenara: Torment. Be consistent!

Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain -> Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver.

 

[KungFucius]

Nice. I just hope that they make the text size adjustable so I can play it on my couch (HTPC) or simple enough that my desktop can play it well with it's shit GPU.

 

[Remachinate]

Well, it's one of the realities of development - the moment you ship one product (and ideally a little sooner than that), you *absolutely* need to have the next project able to roll up, you can't just sit around and wait for revenue before the next bit of work. Normally you don't see this because it's all done on the quiet in discussions with publishers and devs but that simply isn't an option if inXile want to stick with crowdfunding for future projects.

I get that, but crowdfunding for a game the scope of Wasteland 2 is an unproven business model and inXile is an unproven developer. I have enough faith in the passion that Fargo is showing for these projects that I'll put money towards Torment, but I feel like it has the potential to set a bad precedent. It'll be bad enough when the first major Kickstarted project fails, but how much worse will the backers feel when they find out they've on the hook for two disappointing projects from the same developer?

 

[Beckx]

In for entry-level digital tier (like with Eternity).

Pretty cool that Fargo is going to do fund matching once/if it hits 10%.

The first video for Wasteland gave me confidence to go in for this one.

 

[Decado]

Probably won't back it. I'm a little annoyed that they're putting up another kickstarter before finishing Wasteland 2...and how big are these guys? Both titles are going to need genuine talent involved.

 

[A Black Falcon]

I'll definitely support this, for sure! The only question is the tier, and there I'm not certain. I mean, I want physical, but if that tier list is accurate and you really need $95 for the first physical tier... that's a lot of money. I might have to do digital only.

Probably won't back it. I'm a little annoyed that they're putting up another kickstarter before finishing Wasteland 2...and how big are these guys? Both titles are going to need genuine talent involved.

Have you not read anything in the links? Design work on Wasteland 2 is done. InXile's designers need to move on to another project, or they'll either sit around doing nothing, or will have to be fired. Some people are only on this game and not also Wasteland 2, but also a lot of it, and the timing for the campaign, is, as has been said, because of the reality of when different groups finish their work on a game in progress. Now that their part in Wasteland 2 is done, they need to be doing something, and that means starting up another game project.

 

[Green Card]

It better not be $65 for a boxed copy again like PE. Hard to justify it when the download tier was $20. That being said time for me to reinstall D&D Anthology to see how I like Planescape: Torment.

 

[Lancehead]

Less physical and more digital was one of the things most voted on their forums. So, don't expect physical stuff for comparable tiers of digital.

Black Falcon, they're going to have a physical tier for less than that, if I remember correctly.

 

[Brother None]

I'll definitely support this, for sure! The only question is the tier, and there I'm not certain. I mean, I want physical, but if that tier list is accurate and you really need $95 for the first physical tier... that's a lot of money. I might have to do digital only.

We're going to do a less expensive boxed version. Got a lot of feedback that $95 for the first physical is just too high an entry point so we're making a lower one. But it won't be $50 like the Wasteland 2 box was (sorry Green Card). I know the digital/physical balance looks a bit skewed but the truth is these physical rewards do cause a lot of extra overhead and cost and WL2 probably struck the balance too close for the consumer end, in other words it offered physical rewards too cheaply. PE's price-point was partially based on WL2's experience.

 

[A Black Falcon]

We're going to do a less expensive boxed version. Got a lot of feedback that $95 for the first physical is just too high an entry point so we're making a lower one. But it won't be $50 like the Wasteland 2 box was (sorry Green Card). I know the digital/physical balance looks a bit skewed but the truth is these physical rewards do cause a lot of extra overhead and cost and WL2 probably struck the balance too close for the consumer end, in other words it offered physical rewards too cheaply. PE's price-point was partially based on WL2's experience.

That's good to hear. I have noticed that none of the other big kickstarters have had $50 boxed versions, so I guessed that what you're saying here must be the issue... but of the big ones, only one I can think of, Double Fine Adventure, had the first boxed version at $100; Wasteland 2, Project Eternity, Hero U, and others all were in the $50-75 range. It's good to hear that there will be a cheaper boxed version of Torment: Tides of Numenera as well.

 

[Almighty]

Well I wish them luck, but I am going to pass on this.

Not only did Mage's Initiation beat them to my Kickstarter funds this month, it still doesn't feel right to me inXile doing another Kickstarter before Wasteland 2 is even out. I am personally of the opinion that Kickstarter should be used as a one time get the ball rolling thing and not a source of "free" money.