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A Song of Ice and Fire BOOK Discussion |OT2| Unmarked SPOILERS for Published Material
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Can't one of his assistants focus on writing the book instead of writing his tweets?
Doubt GRRM needs assistants to not write his book.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Maybe he ran out of work on Wild Cards related material and desperately needed something else to do with his time.
He should get a Switch and BotW.
MugiwaraCole
Member
George, pls. Finish the books.
No.
More time has now passed since the publication of ADwD than passed between the publications of AFfC and ADwD. Martin's clearly having serious structural problems with the remaining books that can't be fixed by him simply writing more/faster.
He's not having structural issues, I bet that was a load of shit the last time he used that excuse, too.
I know people like to find excuses for him, and I totally get it, but from all we can see, he's doing as much work as possible just trying not to write. He's got projects for days, but for all the excuses people make for George, all signs point to him simply losing the passion to sit down and write a big book. He wants to do fun stuff instead.
More power to him, but lets not make excuses for the guy. He should just swallow his pride at this point, hire a ghostwriter and deliver outlines instead.
Human Trashcan
Banned
fuuuuuuck i feel old. Crazy that after all his talk of the Meereneese knot he's still running into a wall. I wonder if it's the time skip he'd originally intended to do that threw a wrench in the works? It does seem like there's a lot of ground to cover for some chracters, particularly Dany, to get them to where they need to be in just 2 books. You gotta figure Dany doesn't make landfall in Westeros until the end of Winds, or close to it, and then she has to go to the wall, possibly deal with FAegon, destroy The Others while teaming up with Bran, Jon and Tyrion, and die in a heroic sacrifice or something, all in one book.
Huh, that's true. The gap between ADWD and AFFC was 2094 days. Adding 2094 to ADWD release date gives us April 5th, 2017, which means that milestone had been passed last week. Well.
lol never. Would be better left unfinished and to just release his notes.
The thing is that Daenerys' plot should go relatively quickly.
He writes a 1500 page book, correct? So how many of them are usually dedicated to Tyrion? Usually more than Daenerys.
You hook Tyrion and Daenerys up and you pretty much more than double the speed of her plot.
And as Daenerys starts connecting with more POVs, the faster her plot should go.
Oh, so he's already done writing everything then?
You're writing that as if he just finished Dance and now it's just the home stretch
Cornballer
Member
Update from a few days ago. Just wanted to get it in here for posterity.
Mediking
Member
Not really one to attack an content creator for taking their time with their creativity but George... you gotta figure out something.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
since we might as well have some book discussion in here, anyone not convinced that jon is rhaegar and lyanna's kid?
Probably as many people that aren't convinced that Jon is coming back.
Mediking
Member
John Dunbar
correct about everything
i do have one issue with it, the promise ned made to lyanna. i used to think it was pretty straightforward, keep jon safe. but it seemed like ned thought he had broken his promise. why would he do that? as far as he knew, jon was hanging around at the wall. not the safest place, of course, but he didn't seem to object when jon was actually going there.
now if the promise was to keep dany safe, that would make sense. he had failed to prevent assassins from being hired to kill her.
of course it might be something about letting jon know about his parents, but that would seem like a pretty odd request to just throw in on your deathbed.
MugiwaraCole
Member
Jon's as good as revived in the books lol
Mediking
Member
Thanks but its true Jon is dead.
Nah... he's not coming back. You all will see.
What do you mean Ned thought be broke his promise? Anyway, the Wall is a dangerous place.
You know, this specific topic aside, I think people are overvaluing how much actual information GRRM supplies D&D with. Even worse now that we, the readers, have no books to put them in check with, so to speak. I bet D&D feel like they can do whatever the hell they want without little repercussions. For the time being anyway!
Nevermind that GRRM probably changes his mind all the time...
John Dunbar
correct about everything
this bit from GoT in the dungeons:
and sure, the wall is dangerous, but any place in westeros is dangerous. the wall is where benjen went and where ned had no real trouble sending jon to. i don't accept jon going to the wall as an adequate explanation for breaking a promise that's along the lines of "keep him safe." surely it did not mean "treat him like a baby forever."
I honestly think he's having trouble trying to avoid a third book whether it's a Feast/Dance scenario with split POVs or another book in between Winds and A Dream of Spring. There's still almost all those POV characters still alive which caused the split in the first place. Two books to get to the ending with GRRMs writing style seems to be a daunting task. He actually has to plan for the ending now. I think it's finally sinking in for him. I wish him the best. But hey, that's my uninformed opinion. I could be wrong. I think it's safe to say something is troubling him. His outlook on the Winds release has changed for the worse.
Would the promise have been so mundane as "keep him safe" tho? If Lyanna was in love with Rhaegar -- and I think that's a fair bet -- then she'd have known Rhaegar's theory about Jon being The Prince That Was Promised.
If it was just "take care of my son" she wouldn't have needed to deliriously beg Ned for his promise. She could've just trusted him, a brother she loved, to raise her son for her.
If it was just "take care of my son" she wouldn't have needed to deliriously beg Ned for his promise. She could've just trusted him, a brother she loved, to raise her son for her.
Basileus777
Member
The whole thing requires Ned to lie to his best friend and king and put his entire family at risk by harboring Rhaegar's son. That's not exactly mundane.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
but that's the thing, if she was bleeding to death, i doubt there was too much time to get into prophecies and whatnot. now, of course since ned managed to time his arrival so perfectly i suppose you could also accept there was time to get into the gritty details, but it feels a bit too convenient. did she give him a lecture on the prince that was promised before bleeding out?
i guess the promise could have been more vague at this point, maybe to get the details from ashara dayne later or whatever, but i don't remember there being anything to suggest ned was aware of any prophecies or rhaegar's schemes to save the world.
there's also the bit where he hasn't thought about rhaegar in years. if you're raising his kid whom you probably see every day, how does that happen?
John Dunbar
correct about everything
euron is daario, in case you forgot.
Mediking
Member
I really do need a recap. I would reread the series but that sad magic of what happened to Ned and Robb is a one time read.
I don't think it's the case, but there's the chance the promise was for Ned to burn Jon.
TPTWP is supposed to die, it's a sacrifice to wake dragons, at least that's what Rhaegar has interpreted. First Rhaegar thought it was himself. Then he thought it was his children, then he thought he needed three of them. That's what three heads of the dragons refers to, three sacrifices to wake dragons. Hence why he's emo with a sense of doom about him, why he writes sad songs about the death of kings, about his own death and the ones he loves. Why he's sad during Aegon's birth and the song of ice and fire he plays for him is sweet and sad.
Rhaegar was making children for the purpose of sacrifice, or at best he believed were fated to die. On the other hand Ned did everything he could to save every child he came across, not just Jon but Dany, the Lannister children and his final act his own. Nothing came before innocent children, not his life or even his honour.
And so it'll come down to a choice for Jon, embrace the Rhaegar as his father and Targaryen as his house, and let his bastard child be sacrificed for dragons to save the world. Or the opposite in Ned, and save the child. Ice v fire, preservation v consumption.
So Lyanna's promise might be what it seems, save Jon. Might be specifically don't let them burn him, don't let them sacrifice him. Or if she's on the same shit as Rhaegar, the promise may have been to burn Jon.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
The promise wasn't to "keep Jon safe", it was to never tell a soul about Jon's true identity. Because if Robert ever found out, he'd have him killed for being a Targ.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
and as far as i know, he never did. so why did he seem guilty over broken promises?
Howland Reed maybe?
If you're talking about the dungeon scene the guilt isn't specifically about the promise, that's just the calling card GRRM uses whenever Ned thinks about Lyanna being Jon's mother because obviously he can't just say it outright. The guilt Ned's feeling is because he promised Jon he'd tell him who his mother was but now he's thinking he's not going to be able to and Jon will never know. Hence why he asks if Varys would deliver a letter without reading it for him.
