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[Killer8]

I think it's a good tool to have in an artist's toolbox and could save a lot of time. Get's you 90% of the way there and just needs some manual tweaking at the end. There is something noble about wanting everything to be hand done, but this isn't a Ghibli animated masterpiece. It's for games which are already being computer generated to begin with using all sorts of digital art tools. Given how long and expensive game development is becoming, anything that can speed up / cheapen the process is very welcome.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

It would be funny if this was faked and they were 3D models all along lol

It would be fraud.

 

[IAmNotFromDelaware]

It looks very useful and can really make an artist's time much more efficient. But this is not what we had in mind when we were told AI could do everything. I'm sure it'll get better and I'm sure the next version of Unreal Engine will be also have cool ideas that will increase efficiency.

But I don't see anything that will make humans obsolete the way that all the CEOs, Executives, journalists and marketing people are telling everyone.

 

[Johnny Concrete]

I do appreciate your principles. But assuming one could produce identical results using this tool, I can't say I understand them.

I have friends who are animators and whenever we talk about such things they make it very clear that time constraints are holding back their ability to fulfill their visions.

Not just that, but clients are not willing to pay the full price for art anymore. So you either adept or you won’t make it.

It’s happening and it’s bad for the artists (I’ve just been laid off as well for this very reason), but also totally understandable from clients perspective.

 

[The Cockatrice]

In the field of AI research there is a concept called an AGI (artificial general intelligence), which is not the same as an AI.
An AGI is an AI with human level capabilities - or better - across every domain of human achievement. This is obviously not something that currently exists. What does exist currently are AIs which are approaching human level performance in specific domains.

There is no need to discuss further. We finally agreed that we have not reached what the true meaning of AI is. So we can stop calling them AI. Call them "machine learning"(the machine isn't actually learning anything on itself) or "neural networks"(which btw is also false and bastardized, because there is no brain, it's just an internet search) if you want, but as I pointed it out, theyre not AI. Coolio.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

There is no need to discuss further. We finally agreed that we have not reached what the true meaning of AI is. So we can stop calling them AI. Call them "machine learning"(the machine isn't actually learning anything on itself) or "neural networks"(which btw is also false and bastardized, because there is no brain, it's just an internet search) if you want, but as I pointed it out, theyre not AI. Coolio.

I'm sorry that you don't approve of standard vernacular that has been defined in a professional context for decades, but that's solely on you. In the future please try not to waste others' time by attempting to pass your personal opinions as expert knowledge.

Also, neural networks are not internet searches and whoever led you to believe such nonsense has done you a disservice.

 

[The Cockatrice]

I'm sorry that you don't approve of standard vernacular that has been defined in a professional context for decades, but that's solely on you. In the future please try not to waste others' time by attempting to pass your personal opinions as expert knowledge.

If the machines are not self-aware, they're not AI. Automation processes have been done for many years and now they're faster and better, but these automated robots have not evolved into AI. The word AI is used as a marketing tool and nothing else. Sell your bs to someone who eats shit, cuz I dont, and I've worked with automation.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

If the machines are not self-aware, they're not AI. Automation processes have been done for many years and now they're faster and better, but these automated robots have not evolved into AI. The word AI is used as a marketing tool and nothing else. Sell your bs to someone who eats shit.

Please provide an actual academic source to any of your definitions. Tell us who you are quoting other than your own opinion. If you can't, then you're the one selling bs.

Edit: ok, buddy. Blocked.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Please provide an actual academic source to any of your definitions. Tell us who you are quoting other than your own opinion. If you can't, then you're the one selling bs.

Academic sources for common sense regarding what we established for many years what the word AI stands for only to be diminished in recent years? Right. Like I said, we can agree to disagree and move on, you're the one who insisted on eating Adobe's bs.

 

[DragonNCM]

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

It looks very useful and can really make an artist's time much more efficient. But this is not what we had in mind when we were told AI could do everything. I'm sure it'll get better and I'm sure the next version of Unreal Engine will be also have cool ideas that will increase efficiency.

But I don't see anything that will make humans obsolete the way that all the CEOs, Executives, journalists and marketing people are telling everyone.

Unfortunately those CEOs and other laymen were mislead into believing that tools developed using domain specific AI methods are equivalent to a general purpose AGI, when nothing close to that exists yet.
It's a sad state of affairs indeed. But I think it's preferable to have tools that empower people than ones which replace them, and the sooner executives, journalists and marketers get that into their heads, the better.

 

[sankt-Antonio]

I don't think there's a single human graphic artist or animator who wouldn't jump at the opportunity to use a tool like Turntable. It doesn't replace the artist, it empowers them.

It empowers them to go get food stamps. If you think companies will pay artists the way they have up until now I have a bridge to sell you. What happened to typists in the 70s will happen to a lot of fields thanks to AI. The skill to type fast / correct is not a worthwhile skill to have anymore, same will go with graphic designers. Clients will simply flip art until they find something they like and every one will be done with it.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

It empowers them to go get food stamps. If you think companies will pay artists the way they have up until now I have a bridge to sell you. What happened to typists in the 70s will happen to a lot of fields thanks to AI. The skill to type fast / correct is not a worthwhile skill to have anymore, same will go with graphic designers. Clients will simply flip art until they find something they like and every one will be done with it.

I understand where you're coming from and I think such an outcome would be disastrous.

I'd be far happier seeing machines that automate sewage maintenance, garbage disposal and other unwanted or hazardous jobs, before automating elements of the creative pipeline, but unfortunately that's not the way it's happening.

I strongly believe we should invest more into robotics in order to change that balance. Advances in both fields are coming, but software operating in a virtual environment is simpler than hardware operating in a physical one.

The next decades are precisely where we'll need good economists to lead the way with intelligent (and humane!) policy. If we leave it to the shareholders and capitalists it could lead to a humanitarian disaster.