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Alien: Rogue Incursion – The First Preview
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FF:Enhanced_Reality
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We know so little about this to say it's out soon...
Romulus
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people were saying that in 2016
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Doczu
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PSA: buying this game funds the pocket of a major grifter who is directly responsible for gamergate, the 10 year long culture war that infested gaming and who pushed a fellow game dev to suicide by spreading false accusations about him which lead to the sister of said man funding the start of SBI.
Don't be that kind of gamer.
Don't be that kind of gamer.
Romulus
Member
PSA: buying this game funds the pocket of a major grifter who is directly responsible for gamergate, the 10 year long culture war that infested gaming and who pushed a fellow game dev to suicide by spreading false accusations about him which lead to the sister of said man funding the start of SBI.
Don't be that kind of gamer.
Do AAA narrative designers get paid based on sales? From my understanding almost all game developers make money off the time they worked.
Doczu
Member
No, they getcpaid a set amount, no sales bonuses (unless stated otherwise).
It's more about making it known that working with toxic people like Zoe will hurt your sales. They know very well who they hired.
Romulus
Member
So, lets look at this in terms of actual evidence. How do we know what Zoe did contributed to the death of this individual? Is there anything you can link me to understand the facts, because I hear about stuff like this and we find out later there were tons of other details unrelated to the original narrative. Not saying either way in this case because I don't know.
And what about all the other people that worked on the game? Is it okay to punish everyone else to punish her? If the evidence is so clear, why weren't actions taken to target her directly?
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sncvsrtoip
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fart town usa
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Thanks for saving me money.PSA: buying this game funds the pocket of a major grifter who is directly responsible for gamergate, the 10 year long culture war that infested gaming and who pushed a fellow game dev to suicide by spreading false accusations about him which lead to the sister of said man funding the start of SBI.
Don't be that kind of gamer.
I am that guy.
keefged4
Member
ffs. Cheers for the heads up. Will perhaps be sailing the seas for this one thenPSA: buying this game funds the pocket of a major grifter who is directly responsible for gamergate, the 10 year long culture war that infested gaming and who pushed a fellow game dev to suicide by spreading false accusations about him which lead to the sister of said man funding the start of SBI.
Don't be that kind of gamer.
Doczu
Member
Here's a fairly quick.read.wallpost about the whole situation: https://nichegamer.com/report-zoe-q...ex-holowka-abuse-claims-now-seeming-doubtful/
In the wake of #MeToo she came out with news that he was an abusive prick and started riding the cancel train which made him disclose everything about their past relationship which painted them both as ewually bad, not that he was an dirty abuser.
Holowka was strugling with his mental health at the time and the hate most likely was a part of him taking his own life. Quinn went into hiding after the whole shitstorm.
The usual way to wait the storm to die out.
And don't play the whatsboutism card. Other devs were paid foe their work already. There is no other way to remove these elements from gaming other than making them (Zoe and the other looney tunes) unhirable. They won't leave willingly.
Romulus
Member
Thanks. I'll do a deeper dive.
I just don't understand how canceling the game would only affect her. Their portfolio is damaged if they ship a game that doesn't sell.
That doesn't seem like whataboutism, it just seems like people are willing to trash products others worked on in an attempt to hopefully send a message about someone else. I'm not talking about hiring managers either.
It's a shotgun targeting approach.
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Doczu
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The issue is that since the start of GG people were vocal about not hiring certain grifters but were put down as "toxic gamers". Just about now the message is starting to get through.
I don't like the idea of group responsibility, but in case of Zoe? Man, she aint a nobody, all this stuff is public and HR just didn't care.
BacklashWave534
Member
Looks great but killing full grown xenomorphs with a handgun is a bit lore breaking.
FF:Enhanced_Reality
Member
This is one thing I've never understood, she literally caused a situation that ruined a persons life and contributed to taking his life. Why is she still involved in this industry?
Did the police ever investigate her for this? If the shoe was on the other foot, I'm pretty sure the dude would have been thoroughly vetted by police and possibly charged if he was successfully linked to the death.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Thanks for the heads up.PSA: buying this game funds the pocket of a major grifter who is directly responsible for gamergate, the 10 year long culture war that infested gaming and who pushed a fellow game dev to suicide by spreading false accusations about him which lead to the sister of said man funding the start of SBI.
Don't be that kind of gamer.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I love the Alien franchise and the video games but damn they need to change it up. It always seems like it's the same enemies over and over again. Oh look another xenomorph that we've seen 1200 times already from the various movies and games.
One cool thing though was that recent Aliens: Dark Descent. They added some really cool lore and creatures to the game that other games have failed to do.
One cool thing though was that recent Aliens: Dark Descent. They added some really cool lore and creatures to the game that other games have failed to do.
A.Romero
Member
I mean, the stuff related to Quinn is not new. When this company decided to do business with her, they did knowing what's in her closet (it's well documented and as the other poster said: it pretty much detonated the culture war). Would you think they are aligned to her values or not?
Not saying you should buy it or not, that's up to each individual but I would understand why some people don't want to support a product where this person participates just as I understand why some people don't want to purchase stuff where sweet baby inc is involved. I even understand people not wanting to buy Howarts Legacy because they don't like how JK has handled herself regarding certain topics.
It's a shame but the only fair thing an individual can do is decide to buy or not buy based on whatever parameters they think are fair.
Romulus
Member
Blows my mind she was hired. But it also pisses me off alot of artist/coders on the team unrelated to this event but involved with the mess. Many are likely powerless and glad to have a job.
Romulus
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My point wasn't related to hiring managers etc. I'm talking about coders and artists that were just working on the project.
Ironman_Bad
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PSA: buying this game funds the pocket of a major grifter who is directly responsible for gamergate, the 10 year long culture war that infested gaming and who pushed a fellow game dev to suicide by spreading false accusations about him which lead to the sister of said man funding the start of SBI.
Don't be that kind of gamer.
Vr needs more games like this and gaming needs VR more important to me than "gaminggate" or whatever im pushing everyone to buy this and Behemoth
Romulus
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That depends on the handgun. There are handguns that can stop a full grown grizzly bear in modern times and they keep getting more powerful.
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Danteyke223
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Yeah I'm not supporting a whore, and manipulative asshole's game. Caused the death of a man, as usual man's problems got ignored, and became a one sided thing were women are always right and never lie.PSA: buying this game funds the pocket of a major grifter who is directly responsible for gamergate, the 10 year long culture war that infested gaming and who pushed a fellow game dev to suicide by spreading false accusations about him which lead to the sister of said man funding the start of SBI.
Don't be that kind of gamer.
Ironman_Bad
Member
The problem is videogames have warped people's minds on how powerful a handgun actually is, most people would shit themselves if they shot a 45 caliber once
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
PSA: buying this game funds the pocket of a major grifter who is directly responsible for gamergate, the 10 year long culture war that infested gaming and who pushed a fellow game dev to suicide by spreading false accusations about him which lead to the sister of said man funding the start of SBI.
Don't be that kind of gamer.
If the game is good, I'm buying it!
A.Romero
Member
It's the same in the end. When boycotting you can't take prisoners.
Romulus
Member
The point of boycotting is to set things right, but also willing to fuck over innocent people in the process because maybe, hopefully, possibly, the boycott will "send a message."
Even with the boycott, the chick will probably get hired somewhere else. She's probably given another chance because she's well connected.
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FunkMiller
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Doczu
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Who's a good consumer? Who ranks entertainment higher than moral standards? You do!
If the game is good, I'm buying it!
Stop downplaying people informing about toxic grifters.
thekillergreece
Member
Damn, this game looks impressive for a VR game. I'll buy it on Day 1. We are eating well these months.
To be fair, even some Alien-related games (ie. AvP2) had strong handguns to kill aliens.
To be fair, even some Alien-related games (ie. AvP2) had strong handguns to kill aliens.
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Lucifers Beard
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That looked a bit shit to be honest. Alien A.I looks retarded and just doesn't give off the kind of atmosphere I was looking for.
BacklashWave534
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I’ve shot a .50 cal Desert Eagle and i still would be running for my life if that’s all i had against a Xenomorph
KungFucius
King Snowflake
The type that punishes a team of dozens of people because one person works on the project? This is actually worse than promoting a boycott of all things Harry Potter because the reason for boycott is someone at a individual contributor level and not the IP creator.PSA: buying this game funds the pocket of a major grifter who is directly responsible for gamergate, the 10 year long culture war that infested gaming and who pushed a fellow game dev to suicide by spreading false accusations about him which lead to the sister of said man funding the start of SBI.
Don't be that kind of gamer.
Romulus
Member
I’ve shot a .50 cal Desert Eagle and i still would be running for my life if that’s all i had against a Xenomorph
The unknown variable is you and your skill level. The .50 cal bullet and Desert Eagle are powerful enough to perform the task.
MiguelItUp
Member
Exactly. I'm tired of every release being tied to "this person" or "that person" or anything in-between. If the game is good, the game is good. If you want to ignore it because of some person you don't like, that's fine. But that doesn't make folks that are just genuinely interested in the game and not care about that person or the air revolving around them some kind of "enemy" lol.
If the game is good, I'm buying it!
I want more Aliens games, and good ones at that. So if this can be one of those, great! We need more good/great xeno titles.
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you are right
but at the same time its just psa for fans who do not know and if they did might save the cash so no harm no foul.
A.Romero
Member
Look, the basic element of boycotting is not getting shit you don't like. This game is most likely affected by that philosophy and some people don't want to consume that just as the others examples I provided.
If she gets hired somewhere else that's some more shit not to buy. Pretty simple.
Not me in particular as I quit VR a few years ago but probably other people. The basics are the same.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Stop downplaying people informing about toxic grifters.
I want GAF to be LESS like REEEE, not exactly like it. There's a reason I never liked that purple site and stayed here.
Romulus
Member
In my last post I mentioned your assessment of the boycott was "no prisoners" basically meaning fuck anyone involved that could be damaged by this.
You didn't respond to that in this post, so I'm assuming you stand by it 100%?
A.Romero
Member
I don't feel particularly passionate either way in the gaming realm but I have boycotted stuff before and I understand how it works.
I have done it for example for clothing when I don't agree with certain manufacturing practices. Would the people in sweatshops be affected negatively as well as innocent bystanders working in corporate and such? Yes. Should that stop the only mechanism we as consumers have to pressure manufacturers? I think not.
I get what you are saying but it's just the way it is. People can only vote with their purchases and a lot of people evidently feel strongly about Zoe and other characters in the industry. Every single publisher worth a damn knows perfectly well this kind of hiring decision comes with polarization: some people will go out of their way to get whatever they work on and some people will do the opposite.
Minsc
Gold Member
I feel like boycotting gets pretty weird, especially for entertainment. Like say you owned a series of movies or books, say Lord of the Rings, or perhaps more fittingly, Harry Potter. Say you loved the books/movies for your entire childhood/YA period, and maybe even had kids and your kids loved the series as well.
Then you get news so and so did this or thinks this way, and now I have to throw away or sell all my copies of the franchise, and delete ownership of all my games and throw out any figures or clothes with the logo, and then also never engage and actively prevent others I know from using it?
Man, that sounds like a first world problem to me!
Romulus
Member
I think it could be looked at on a case by case. In the sweatshop case, some of the reason is we don't want people working in those conditions in the first place. In this case, these are people very likely want to be there.
And I'm not really sure how to evaluate what an effective boycott campaign would even look like. How do you actually gauge success? If the game is projected to sell 1 million copies and only sells 750k-500k who do we actually know the boycott caused that? I could attribute it to a variety of things. This boycott sounds nice on paper, but ends up being a "feel good" thing and we'll never understand the real consequences or results. In this case anyway.
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Doczu
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Well, i've received a nice amount of (direct) replies, to which it will be a lot easier if i reply in bulk:
I don't care if you buy the game or not. If you want to support the devs, if you don't care about the whole Quinn... "person". The post was a heads up for those that care.
But if you really don't know her antics and how she "contributed" to gaming in the last decade then you either didn't pay attention or you just don't care. The latter is just a testament of ones true virtues, not the crappy PC ones.
There are a lot of gamers who do want to know what she's working on and don't want to support her and the devs to mark her as unhirable and that was the reason for my post.
Well you warrant a named reply cause mentioning REE and thinking this might be a mirror reflection of a boycott and witch hunt which happen all the time on the purple site:
I (and collectively "we" - not just sers on Neogaf) wish for her to leave gaming. Willingly, by becoming marked and becoming unhirable. Her antics are well known and she wouldn't hesitate to end your career just to be in the spotlight for a little while longer.
There is no other way for that to happen other than letting people know. People start boycotting media because of ideas and people behind it. This is no different than those cases.
I don't care if you buy the game or not. If you want to support the devs, if you don't care about the whole Quinn... "person". The post was a heads up for those that care.
But if you really don't know her antics and how she "contributed" to gaming in the last decade then you either didn't pay attention or you just don't care. The latter is just a testament of ones true virtues, not the crappy PC ones.
There are a lot of gamers who do want to know what she's working on and don't want to support her and the devs to mark her as unhirable and that was the reason for my post.
Well you warrant a named reply cause mentioning REE and thinking this might be a mirror reflection of a boycott and witch hunt which happen all the time on the purple site:
I (and collectively "we" - not just sers on Neogaf) wish for her to leave gaming. Willingly, by becoming marked and becoming unhirable. Her antics are well known and she wouldn't hesitate to end your career just to be in the spotlight for a little while longer.
There is no other way for that to happen other than letting people know. People start boycotting media because of ideas and people behind it. This is no different than those cases.
A.Romero
Member
Well, sure. If you measure the validity of a boycott based on personal values then it should be looked at on a case by case basis so you can decide if it's worth it to damage innocent people. However, the fact remains that boycotting cannot happen without affecting both decision makers and simple workers. For people boycotting games based on certain people's participation I bet they feel it's justified. Even in the sweatshop case there are many people involved in the supply chain that want to be there and have nothing to do with how the item is manufactured but can still be impacted.
The success of boycotting is indeed hard to measure globally but I think individually it's enough to just not engage in purchasing. Sometimes it will be evident because boycotting will come together with just regular old failure like Concord, some other times the effect won't be noticeable like Cyberpunk or Hogwarts Legacy. It's still about a message and exercising the only true power consumers have.
I'm not saying people should go and harass anyone, just saying that is fair that people make purchasing decisions using whatever criteria they seem fair, including supporting a real or imaginary cause.