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SimleuqiR

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gcubed said:
what was midrange about the Nexus 4 on launch besides the lack of LTE?
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Vyse The Legend said:
It never has been, except for the Nexus S.



Exactly. It was a top-of-the-line phone. The only thing I can think of was 720 vs. 1080p, which means nothing to me.

Also, my N4 has excellent LTE in NYC on T-Mobile. So, yeah.
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So if the Nexus 5 used the 600 vs the 800, you wouldn't consider it midrange? I mean the phone is coming out at the end of the year.

Just want to know. Seems that a smartphone turn midrange within 6 months of it's release, since there is always a "latest and greatest" down the line.
 
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SimleuqiR said:
So if the Nexus 5 used the 600 vs the 800, you wouldn't consider it midrange? I mean the phone is coming out at the end of the year.

Just want to know. Seems that a smartphone turn midrange within 6 months of it's release, since there is always a "latest and greatest" down the line.
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If it uses the 600, then yes, I would consider it closer to mid-range than high-range.

But, your original post speculated that the N5 would use the 800. If it does, it will continue to be a high-range device, in my opinion.
 
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gcubed

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SimleuqiR said:
So if the Nexus 5 used the 600 vs the 800, you wouldn't consider it midrange? I mean the phone is coming out at the end of the year.

Just want to know. Seems that a smartphone turn midrange within 6 months of it's release, since there is always a "latest and greatest" down the line.
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yes, but not sure what you mean with the question... we are going on the assumption of 800

Copernicus said:
Camera is pretty midrange.
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is it? or is it because google is terrible at making camera software? The release of the GE phones calls into question for me the camera quality vs terrible software
 
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SimleuqiR

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Vyse The Legend said:
If it uses the 600, then yes, I would consider it closer to mid-range than high-range.

But, your original post speculated that the N5 would use the 800. If it does, it will continue to be a high-range device, in my opinion.
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gcubed said:
yes, but not sure what you mean with the question... we are going on the assumption of 800



is it? or is it because google is terrible at making camera software? The release of the GE phones calls into question for me the camera quality vs terrible software
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I just have this weird feeling that since the Nexus 7 revision will have a 600 that Google will also use it for the Nexus 5. That's all.

Seeing that the G2 is using the 800 , gives me hope LG will be using it also on the Nexus 5 (if Google don't go cheap on us).
 
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Groof

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SimleuqiR said:
I just have this weird feeling that since the Nexus 7 revision will have a 600 that Google will also use it for the Nexus 5. That's all.

Seeing that the G2 is using the 800 , gives me hope LG will be using it also on the Nexus 5 (if Google don't go cheap on us).
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But the Nexus 4 didn't use the Nexus 7's Tegra 3. The Nexus devices are usually based off of the OEM they're partnering with's flagship device of that time. So if the Optimus G2 is going to have a 800 and assuming Google will partner with LG again, basing the Nextus off of the G2, it'll also have the 800.
 
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Groof said:
But the Nexus 4 didn't use the Nexus 7's Tegra 3. The Nexus devices are usually based off of the OEM they're partnering with's flagship device of that time. So if the Optimus G2 is going to have a 800 and assuming Google will partner with LG again, basing the Nextus off of the G2, it'll also have the 800.
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This. I would be SHOCKED if the n5 used a 600. Unfortunately, it will probably have a oled screen like the g2 which is a deal breaker for me.
 
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-Pyromaniac-

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I bet the stats for One S usage are absolutely abysmal and for a company that isn't doing so hot it's not worth the resources to get hands on deck to work on an update for a phone so few people will use.

Nature of the failbeast.
 
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-Pyromaniac-

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That's what I'm saying. I can imagine the stats on that phone lol, probably 100 people using it worldwide. Still obviously should be upgraded but I can imagine why a company in HTCs position has no time for that shit.
 
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coldfoot

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Junior Mint said:
lol, HTC says the One S will no longer receive updates.
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Wonder why Android manufacturers won't just put the code out there at launch and let the CM guys take care of the rest, in a more official way. Community OS updates are the only way small companies can still be up to date with Android.
I've gotten to grips with the Nook HD+, and it's a good tablet for $150 if you have someone to set it up for you, it even has a microSD slot.
They've changed shit around in 4.2 it seems, and it took a while to get used to it.
 
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coldfoot said:
Wonder why Android manufacturers won't just put the code out there at launch and let the CM guys take care of the rest, in a more official way. Community OS updates are the only way small companies can still be up to date with Android.
I've gotten to grips with the Nook HD+, and it's a good tablet for $150 if you have someone to set it up for you, it even has a microSD slot.
They've changed shit around in 4.2 it seems, and it took a while to get used to it.
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Maybe I'm missing something but from the brief time I used 4.0, it seemed almost exactly the same as 4.2? I dunno, I only have a Nexus 4 so I never used Android extensively before this.
 
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coldfoot

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Junior Mint said:
Maybe I'm missing something but from the brief time I used 4.0, it seemed almost exactly the same as 4.2? I dunno, I only have a Nexus 4 so I never used Android extensively before this.
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Maybe it's not Android, but Trebuchet that's changed, I don't know. The app drawer from the top right is gone, wifi/bt status bar is different, there is a dock now, etc.
 
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zomgbbqftw

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My issue with the One S shit is them not updating to 4.1.2, it would make the experience better and requires almost zero work, as I said in the thread:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=67743851&postcount=32

"The bigger issue is that HTC have refused to update it to 4.1.2 which brings a bunch of bug fixes and battery life optimisations.

It would require a minimal amount of work and make the user experience much better. Fucking bullshit decision, 4.2.2 I can kind of understand as it requires a lot of work (well some work) to port the new kernel (though they should already have done it for the Butterfly) to an older device. Not updating to 4.1.2 and rolling in the bugfixes is unforgivable though.

They have form in this area as well, they stopped development for their 2011 flagship (Sensation) at 4.0.3 which was a bug ridden mess while a bunch of similarly or worse specced Samsung phones got 4.0.4 and their flagship, the GS2, got 4.1.2 just recently.

Honestly, HTC need to go and die in a fire for this kind of shit, it just screams "buy our new phone because yours is old and buggy"."
 
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Kill Your Masters

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Junior Mint said:
lol, HTC says the One S will no longer receive updates.
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You like to beta test hardware? And you love to pay premium to beta test hardware? Welcome to the HTC family.

My GF has a One S. It's an amazing looking phone IMO, but too bad HTC has no commitment towards it's customers. The camera software is terrible on 4.1, and since there are no more updates coming, so will it stay.

So how do they expect to keep or gain customers, if they release phones with buggy software and never attempt to fix it.
 
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Groof

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I think the moral of the story here is that if you care about your software experience don't buy a cheap low/mid-range device.
 
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zomgbbqftw

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Groof said:
I think the moral of the story here is that if you care about your software experience don't buy a cheap low/mid-range device.
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The One S was anything but cheap when it was released, £399 iirc which is not insignificant.

Honestly not updating to 4.1.2 for bugfixes is unforgivable. Every mid-range Samsung and Sony at least got to 4.1.2 which brings stability updates to JB which was pretty shit at 4.1.1 so I think HTC should burn for that, at least.
 
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coldfoot said:
Maybe it's not Android, but Trebuchet that's changed, I don't know. The app drawer from the top right is gone, wifi/bt status bar is different, there is a dock now, etc.
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Google changed the tablet interface to be more similar to the phone interface. Seven-inch tablets got it in 4.1 (it was introduced at the launch of the Nexus 7) and all other tablets in 4.2.

I'm really not a fan of the change. The central placement of the system buttons is inconvenient for both hands, whereas before they were easily reached with your left hand. You lose more screen space as there's an extra notifications bar on top instead of having them on the bottom bar. I've been especially annoyed with this extra bar recently while watching full screen video - the notifications bar is hidden so you can't view notifications or change brightness without exiting full screen, two conveniences which were previously possibly.

It feels similar to the changes Microsoft made in Windows 8, forcing an interface onto a device for which it wasn't designed for the sake of unifying user experience or some bollocks.
 
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Kill Your Masters

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The One S is slightly more powerful than a GS2, with a higher resolution, yet the phone with the worse specs gets more updates plus the (almost) newest touchwiz experience.
 
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Groof

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zomgbbqftw said:
The One S was anything but cheap when it was released, £399 iirc which is not insignificant.

Honestly not updating to 4.1.2 for bugfixes is unforgivable. Every mid-range Samsung and Sony at least got to 4.1.2 which brings stability updates to JB which was pretty shit at 4.1.1 so I think HTC should burn for that, at least.
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Not saying it's justified, but this has been the name of the game for many mid-range devices in the past. And looking at how HTC has been doing lately, well... they're already burning.
 
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zomgbbqftw

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Groof said:
Not saying it's justified, but this has been the name of the game for many mid-range devices in the past. And looking at how HTC has been doing lately, well... they're already burning.
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Not really, let's take a look a 2011 mid-ranger from Samsung, Galaxy R, same price range, launched with 2.3.5 updated to 4.0.4, Sony updated their whole single core 2011 line up to 4.0.4 while HTC left the 2011 Sensation rotting on 4.0.3 and said it wasn't powerful enough for further updates.

For 2012 Samsung's mid-range, Galaxy S Advance, got updated from 2.3.6 to 4.1.2 and Sony updated the Xperia P to 4.1.2 as well. HTC should give the One S 4.1.2 at least and fix some bugs.

HTC are just a shitty company.
 
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shinshoryuken

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gcubed said:
why is there all this commotion about the One S? I thought we had 2 pages of comments about how updates don't matter.
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gcubed said:
yes, me too. Mainly because this large pile of shit phone i have in my hand simply won't last past winter... there have been many times over the last few weeks that i've wanted to repeatedly punch my phone, throw it on the ground, stomp on it, and then piss on its tattered remains.
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Its a nexus..updates didn't save your phone?
 
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gcubed

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shinshoryuken said:
Its a nexus..updates didn't save your phone?
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not sure what your point is, a bad phone is a bad phone. In a perfect world we have all different ranges of good phones (which, all phones are basically the same today) and feature updates are differentiators.

Was waiting to see how long it took to respond to the bat signal
 
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I'll believe it when I see it
 
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shinshoryuken

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gcubed said:
not sure what your point is, a bad phone is a bad phone. In a perfect world we have all different ranges of good phones (which, all phones are basically the same today) and feature updates are differentiators.

Was waiting to see how long it took to respond to the bat signal
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I never said it update doesn't matter, its just the stock android fans seem to trash OEM skin without giving the latest touchwiz/Sense a chance. Stock android is no longer ahead in term of functionality and looks, but updates going for it. The stock android fans seem to glout about updates, making it seem like that's the most importing thing to the android experience.
 
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gcubed

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i'm ready to see total redemption! I think i'm safe as i don't think i posted on the pctx dump truck... i'd love to see a better then expected phone

shinshoryuken said:
I never said it update doesn't matter, its just the stock android fans seem to trash OEM skin without giving the latest touchwiz/Sense a chance. Stock android is no longer ahead in term of functionality and looks, but updates going for it. The stock android fans seem to glout about updates, making it seem like that's the most importing thing to the android experience.
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its still ahead in looks. HTC is very close behind, but you get negatives with HTC, as seen with this story. Samsung is no where near stock or HTC in terms of looks.

Yeah, going from gingerbread to ICS or jelly bean fundamentally changed the android experience. So, its safe to say that getting an update at a decent time interval... or at all... is pretty important to the experience.
 
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DrFunk said:
PCTX did mention the customization angle, iirc
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um...he mentioned it when a whole bunch of tech blog mentioned customization, that's when every tech blog was on the xphone frenzy.....

gcubed said:
i'm ready to see total redemption! I think i'm safe as i don't think i posted on the pctx dump truck... i'd love to see a better then expected phone



ts still ahead in looks. HTC is very close behind, but you get negatives with HTC, as seen with this story. Samsung is no where near stock or HTC in terms of looks.
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Look wise I think sense 5 is better, but my preference, I do understand where your coming from. um...touchwiz..well look wise....um...um.....yeah...um...it has function...yeah functions...
 
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-Pyromaniac-

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Lets say this phone releases in August, I wonder how good it will be relative to the nexus 5 which is expected in September/October right? Should be funnay. This partly why (also the leaks) I expect it to kind of be a mid-end device at a low price whereas the nexus 5 will be $50-$100 more and be high end at a solid price.
 
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