SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol exactly. FF7 righted the ship and FF16 is very highly anticipated. FF7-2 is due out next year which is a very fast turnaround. Article is like 6 years too late.
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Article: The King of Final Fantasy reveals why the series is “struggling”
Kokoloko85
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With FF14 and FF7remake, its probably the best its been since the PS2 days. FF16 looks amazing too.
Now we need a FF collection and FF9 Remake
Now we need a FF collection and FF9 Remake
SlimeGooGoo
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ShaquilleOatmeal
Member
Square Enix really started to enjoy the whiff of their own farts right around the time of Final Fantasy XIII. Between then and FFVII Remake, they were lost for many of the aforementioned reasons already in the thread.
cash_longfellow
Member
TF are you taking about struggling? Clicks link…oh, it’s Inverse, Never mind
Amiga
Member
Knee-jerk firing of Sekiguchi(real king of FF) started the downfall. never reached the same peaks he took them. Last great FF was Lost Odyssey, Sekiguchi did it completely independent of SE, that game was for sure better than all FF made since he was pushed out.
If he had good funding he should put a good team together instead of being stuck with undermanned projects with shoestring budgets.
If he had good funding he should put a good team together instead of being stuck with undermanned projects with shoestring budgets.
Efren is G.O.A.T.
Member
While being a good game, XII was the start of the decline for me.
- Didn't like XIII
- XIII-2 just a tiny bit better but still not good
- XIII-3... didn't even play it.
- XIV 1.0 we all know how that turned out
- XV was a total mess of a game
It took Yoshi-P's vision to save XIV and in what seems to be so many years, I am hopeful again for the next mainline entry.
That being said, VII Remake is in my top 5 of all time.
- Didn't like XIII
- XIII-2 just a tiny bit better but still not good
- XIII-3... didn't even play it.
- XIV 1.0 we all know how that turned out
- XV was a total mess of a game
It took Yoshi-P's vision to save XIV and in what seems to be so many years, I am hopeful again for the next mainline entry.
That being said, VII Remake is in my top 5 of all time.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Have they ever, really struggled past the Enix merger? I mean, with online user reception, maybe, but actual dollars and cents, "this is gonna sink us," struggle?
Because XIII wouldn't have been so universally panned if there weren't millions of people who bought it and were disappointed. Same with OG XIV, and XV. The biggest key to curbing fan disappointment would be to either
A. Return to the principles of the company in the early to mid 90's.
B. Do something so uncharacteristic of your heritage that people know off the bat, "We're not the target demographic, anymore," and weed out the people who are gonna make a stink just by making games that appeal to other players.
So far, they seem to be going with A.5. Like...trying to branch out into contemporary gaming concepts/tech/dev but not really clicking, and at the same time, flaunting all of this nostalgia in the form of Remakes, re-releases, and reboots, like..."This Isn't your grandfather's JRPG! But trust us, look at these old games and characters we Made, they're great!"
Because XIII wouldn't have been so universally panned if there weren't millions of people who bought it and were disappointed. Same with OG XIV, and XV. The biggest key to curbing fan disappointment would be to either
A. Return to the principles of the company in the early to mid 90's.
B. Do something so uncharacteristic of your heritage that people know off the bat, "We're not the target demographic, anymore," and weed out the people who are gonna make a stink just by making games that appeal to other players.
So far, they seem to be going with A.5. Like...trying to branch out into contemporary gaming concepts/tech/dev but not really clicking, and at the same time, flaunting all of this nostalgia in the form of Remakes, re-releases, and reboots, like..."This Isn't your grandfather's JRPG! But trust us, look at these old games and characters we Made, they're great!"
kiphalfton
Member
- Going open world did nothing for the game. And that's generally the case for most open world games.
- The relationships in the game weren't really fleshed out at all.
- The combat was boring and the magic system felt tacked on.
- The side quests are repetitive collectathons and/or "go here and kill this".
Honestly anything they release has a better chance of being better, due to how low a bar XV set.
peronmls
Member
People don't buy COD for single player mode AFAIK unless this is about COD1-3.
HiFiVideogameMusic
Banned
Gameplay is better now then it ever was imo. I play on controller so that's probably why I prefer how it is now. Less bloat of abilities.
I am a long time FF fan and I think the story in FF14 is far superior to the older games since Shadowbringers. Extremely well written villain and story. I am not sure what you mean by coasting on past FF entries as the story in entirely new but with some fanservice to old games mixed in.
Masayoshi Soken is a much better composer then Masashi Hamauzu. The music in FF13 was as soulless and bland as it ever got in a mainline FF game
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64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
I think this is it. Final Fantasy used to be yearly and came out quick, if not that it wouldn't be long before a game came out especially in the ps1 days. The higher production values are nice but sometimes I wonder if just bringing back the turn based combat would have been a better idea
And I do mean turn based, the best thing about turn based is that you can view your situation and figure out the best plan of action. Active time battle doesn't let you do that when the enemies are wailing on you 24/7
Trazyn the Infinite
Member
I remember reading somewhere here that some folks were vehemently against the concept of not hyper-focusing on graphical fidelity, as if that was the reason people ever bought Final Fantasy. It never was.
Thankfully it seems that they have been fixing the issues with the franchise. Primarily focusing on releasing quality games that have flaws, but ones you can overlook as long as the story/music/gameplay is great. Sadly though I wonder how long it can keep it up as it isn’t an issue with the devs at this point. It is an issue with the heads of the company.
pleaseinsertdisctwo
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Sex 
is my passion. As well as Final Fantasy. Thank you!
is my passion. As well as Final Fantasy. Thank you!
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remember_spinal
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This is one of those threads where no one reads the actual article i guess
xellos2099alpha
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In case you don;t know, Sakaguchi is a big fan of xiv as well.
March Climber
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It takes time to turn a ship around.
"Speedrun methods on how to kill a company's most premiere franchise, set them back to the stone age of gaming, and layoff over 90% of it's employees - Click here to see how"
Isa
Member
Hmmm, I imagine heavy troglodytic incestuous features strapped with an absurd amount of belts, buckles and spiked hair of various colors.
Trazyn the Infinite
Member
What? You do realize turnbased is not at all the “stone age of gaming”, right? That some of the greatest games of all time released relatively recently and used that style of gameplay? Octopath Traveller? Dragon Quest XI?
March Climber
Member
Not specifically turn based itself(as you've said Dragon Quest XI and Persona exists), but bringing their top franchise(s) back to SNES style 2d turn based? That style of game is no longer multi-million selling. The company would have to fully die and then be reborn as an indie company with a small staff, and then they'll just end up ridiculed by this forum anyway.
amigastar
Member
It's funny, they called it Final Fantasy because i was planned to be the last game from them but was a big success.
Trazyn the Infinite
Member
That I can definitely agree with. If they bring back turn-based Into the AAA FF mainline games, it needs to be a proper evolution. For spinoffs and smaller projects though? I am perfectly happy if they use turnbased. Bravely Default is a Final Fantasy game in all but name (and is a spiritual sequel to the 4 Heroes of Light DS game). Amazing time with that Turnbased system *and* it evolved it adding the brave/default systems.
Trazyn the Infinite
Member
No. It was originally going to be called ‘Fighting Fantasy’ because Sakaguchi wanted the abbreviation to be “FF”. However it was already taken so he siwtched it to Final Fantasy instead.
HiFiVideogameMusic
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Sex
Dat profile pic tho
I am starting to think Sephiroth was the good guy
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Trazyn the Infinite
Member
Yea, I think it was thanks to a mistranslated interview with Sakaguchi. This *was* going to be a make/break game for the company as Sakaguchi wanted to make an RPG for the longest time and kept pestering the upper echelons of the company and they were thinking of leaving the gaming industry as they weren’t making a tremendous profit with their titles.
So between that and trying to come up the name, there was some crossed wires.
xellos2099alpha
Member
Correction, he save the company literally.
xellos2099alpha
Member
It is funny how people look down on 14 because it is a mmo. Heavenward, Shadowbringer and endwalker are better than most of the Final fantasy out there in term of story and music.
HiFiVideogameMusic
Banned
With the writer of Heavensward working on FF16 I am sure it will have a great story too
Cao Cao
Member
I found the way they presented those stories pretty average.
Pasta la Vista
Member
HD era 360/PS3 is when the series began to lose its footing. A new Final Fantasy used to be a showcase for hardware. They used to set the bar very high. I think XVI looks very promising, good team behind it. Likely won't be some genre defining moment but at least it seems to be a more focused and realistic effort.
XV (which was originally going to be Versus XIII) is a major blemish on the series, the absolute lowest point. I was committed to play through it and do everything the game had to offer regardless. I waited so long and it was my most anticipated game for years. Somewhere down the line when it became apparent how much trouble SE was having during development, I knew it wasn't going to shape up well. I still had faith that they would make it all work in the end. But that's all it did, work, as a product. The game went from being just ok (still a major let down) during the open world section of the game to an absolute piece of shit once the linear sections of the game came in. Story would be the worst in the series as well but I think XIII still holds that crown.
XV (which was originally going to be Versus XIII) is a major blemish on the series, the absolute lowest point. I was committed to play through it and do everything the game had to offer regardless. I waited so long and it was my most anticipated game for years. Somewhere down the line when it became apparent how much trouble SE was having during development, I knew it wasn't going to shape up well. I still had faith that they would make it all work in the end. But that's all it did, work, as a product. The game went from being just ok (still a major let down) during the open world section of the game to an absolute piece of shit once the linear sections of the game came in. Story would be the worst in the series as well but I think XIII still holds that crown.
xellos2099alpha
Member
ok, what would you consider "good" then?
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
End of Gen filler, people have a hard on for it because of its (back-to-roots) medieval setting.
But in reality the characters are probably the most forgettable in the series and the best character is a fucking Black Mage
combat was probably the worse out the 3 PSX titles and its painful slow.
And the music aren't even on par with the music you don't remember from FFVII & FFVIII...wait there isn't any you don't remember from them games, silly me
Not to say it isn't a good FF, it is.
but it definitely felt like a Phone in effort just to release something that year while they was working on FFX for the PS2.
As for that article title...the dude wasn't even with Square when the best FF's was made so how is he the King of Final Fantasy?
because he save FFXIV and made a shit load of money from a subscription service?
we've yet to see if he can actually make a proper FF, and despite the hype... which is due to the same reason IX is seen with Rose tinted glasses.
I'm not convinced.
but we have FFVIIR.... despite the changes they've made in it, which is another wall if text.
it's still the best SE has produced in long time.
Trogdor1123
Member
Take it back dammit! Take it back!
Trazyn the Infinite
Member
End of Gen filler, people have a hard on for it because of its (back-to-roots) medieval setting.
But in reality the characters are probably the most forgettable in the series and the best character is a fucking Black Mage
combat was probably the worse out the 3 PSX titles and its painful slow.
And the music aren't even on par with the music you don't remember from FFVII & FFVIII...wait there isn't any you don't remember from them games, silly me
Not to say it isn't a good FF, it is.
but it definitely felt like a Phone in effort just to release something that year while they was working on FFX for the PS2.
As for that article title...the dude wasn't even with Square when the best FF's was made so how is he the King of Final Fantasy?
because he save FFXIV and made a shit load of money from a subscription service?
we've yet to see if he can actually make a proper FF, and despite the hype... which is due to the same reason IX is seen with Rose tinted glasses.
I'm not convinced.
but we have FFVIIR.... despite the changes they've made in it, which is another wall if text.
it's still the best SE has produced in long time.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Trazyn the Infinite
Member
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
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chriskun
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I think a big reason why the games arent as big is because they aren’t logically coherent. Why are people fighting with swords when there are flying ships and robots and shit? How is the main protaganist kicking ass when he looks like the femboy I was cucking last night? Sure a niche of people are going to be into that, and a large percentage of them wear utilikilts, fedoras, and ponytails, but adult society at large is going to look at the characters in these games and be confused.
Strider Highwind
Banned
I bet if we got to ask them "how much did you think you were going to make off it" they'd reply "All of it" lol
Trazyn the Infinite
Member
End of Gen filler, people have a hard on for it because of its (back-to-roots) medieval setting.
But in reality the characters are probably the most forgettable in the series and the best character is a fucking Black Mage
combat was probably the worse out the 3 PSX titles and its painful slow.
And the music aren't even on par with the music you don't remember from FFVII & FFVIII...wait there isn't any you don't remember from them games, silly me
Not to say it isn't a good FF, it is.
but it definitely felt like a Phone in effort just to release something that year while they was working on FFX for the PS2.
As for that article title...the dude wasn't even with Square when the best FF's was made so how is he the King of Final Fantasy?
because he save FFXIV and made a shit load of money from a subscription service?
we've yet to see if he can actually make a proper FF, and despite the hype... which is due to the same reason IX is seen with Rose tinted glasses.
I'm not convinced.
but we have FFVIIR.... despite the changes they've made in it, which is another wall if text.
it's still the best SE has produced in long time.
Anyways, joking GIFs aside I have to disagree with the vast majority of what you wrote here.
People enjoy it because it had an incredibly well designed world, memorable characters, some of the greatest music in the franchises history, top tier graphics for the platform, amazing cinematics, and a near perfect story.
What is wrong with Vivi? Steiner’s growth is just as excellent, as is Zidane’s struggles with his own identity. Garnet and Eiko’s relationship is also nothing to say is “forgettable”. Freya‘s fight for her lover and desperately trying to save her fallen kingdom? Kuja’s battle with his own mortality?But in reality the characters are probably the most forgettable in the series and the best character is a fucking Black Mage
I mean, I agree with it being slow with all the starting and ending animations - but are you seriously trying to say this si worse than FF8? The game with the incredibly long, drawn out, and grindy draw system? The system that actively punishes you for leveling and engaging in combat?
Now I know you are just trolling. The songs here are just as memorable as any final fantasy game. As is 7 and 8. Fisherman’s Wharf? Liberi Fatali? Cosmo Canyon? One Winged Angel? Vamo’ala Flamenco? A Place to Call Home? Melodies of Life?And the music aren't even on par with the music you don't remember from FFVII & FFVIII...wait there isn't any you don't remember from them games, silly me
And this shows how little you know about the development of this game. Sakaguchi, Uematsu, and the rest of the team went *hard* into this game. All fucking in. I would highly suggest you read up on the development history of FFIX.
King is absolutely silly and shouldn’t be used to describe Yoshi P. However, he is instrumental in getting the franchise back on its feet after numerous failed projects.
He created one of the greatest MMORPGs and JRPGs of all time. You can say it isn’t a “proper” Final Fantasy all you like, but you would be egregiously wrong.
This just sounds like you never actually played FFXIV Or IX.
And I am glad hyou enjoyed it! Also sorry you didn’t enjoy IX, but that doesn’t mean half of what you wrote isn’t completely ignorant and silly.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
What can I say other then I don't agree..
Steiner was probably my favourite out the bunch, Vivi is fine but I don't get the Best character some FFIX fans throw around.
Bad choice for an example.
The Best battles I've had in a FF game features heavily in VIII.
In FFIX The battle system wasn't just long winded because of animations, the inclusion of the 4th member in battle made it longer too.
The only thing I did like was the Summons designs
Sorry I just don't have any that stick in my head like FFVII/VIII and X for that matter.
I can't agree when I don't remember them.
Early development started in 1998 a year before FFX started development.
In less then half a year Project X was in development with the biggest team SE had ever put together for a game.
So I'm sure the people that worked on it went *Hard* into making it, but SE didn't
Yeah I give him that, but like I said I'm waiting on him to make a new mainline FF that's not online, and FFXVI is his proving ground.
Oh it's definitely a FF game and it's definitely one of the best MMORPG...
I own this for PS4, I also upgraded to the PS5 version
and
I did it's probably the first time in long time it felt like I was playing a Final Fantasy game, but it's a remake... so.
Don't get me wrong I like FFIX, and I would be there day one if they did a Remake.
I just believe it's the weakest of the 3 on PSX
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