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[PeteBull]

I can. I've yet to see any DEI elements actually playing the game. If anything, the Japanese dub and writting is very well done and respectful to the culture and era, at least so far. For all the crap I've been reading here for months, I've yet to see any yellow or red flags after 8 hours. I'm afraid that the extend of those DEI elements is "there's a black person in my samurai game herp derp" which was stupid from the very beggining as it's an old concept and even considered cool in Japan seeing certain works like Afro Samurai. I swear, youtube grifters like asmongold have fried some people's brain.

Bro, i know who asmongold is but i newer watch him, its just common sense to recognise wokeness in todays western AAA games, like for example putting black protag as samurai in feudal japan, thats forced diversity, aka DEI, gotta call spade a spade, otherwise u gonna be claiming its raining when some1 spitting in ur face, gotta have at least lil bit of selfrespect as a guy here
Japan has plenty masculine samurai rolemodels who are both legends and history accurate, there was 0 need to remove japanese male from the game, even if ubi wanted to pander to woke cucks they could make yosuke 3rd/optional character, but no, they had to go full retard and replace japanese male with black dude...

And about blaming ppl who didnt like/buy the game for it not doing well- guess what, thats capitalism at its finest, ubi didnt make product we liked so we didnt buy it, simple as that, same way like with so many other games of questionable quality that are plagued by woke virus, they all got much lower sales vs what they potentially would sell if focus on quality was there, instead of focus on pushing agenda
Wanna blame some1 for low quality of the game or its financial failure- blame the devs, and i dont mean coders/programmers, i mean studio heads/project managers and other ppl in power, they decided game gonna look like it looks, we- customers barely react to their fuck ups

 

[PeteBull]

Oh, I definitely do; but I don't think I'd categorize the game as overly woke because of that - it's not in the same realm as something like Veilguard or Concord or anywhere near it.

Its actually pretty close, same way u had to look at that shemale abnomination called trish or trash or w/e for big chunk of the game u have to look and even play as black guy in feudal japan, him wearing samurai war armor is pure disgrace on its own not to mention him killing hundreds(tousands) of native japanese ppl...

 

[Fake]

Dude, first thing asmongold said when Yasuke came out in the announcement, was that this was the least of things to be bothered in a SP game that has a 130$ edition and season passes - which they subsequently removed due to backlash. So yeah, thank the "grifters" for getting a better buck for your money today.

Imagine being a person defending a game company while the 'grifter' point out the company greedy methods.

Crazy times.

 

[nemiroff]

Imagine being a person defending a game company while the 'grifter' point out the company greedy methods.

Crazy times.

Now imagine this: People outside echo chambers are often able to criticize the company greed and extreme shoehorning on one side, and the fake outrage and the bots on the other side - At the same time!

 

[Bernardougf]

Imagine the huge success this game would have gotten if they used a classic historical Japanese Samurai as their lead.. asscreed: musashi ... the hungry for asscreed japan was/is very real .. no matter the current reception, imho they fucked up.

 

[Lethal01]

But they were clearly males. Just because they were wearing women clothes doesnt make them women or something entirely else. Ofc you can give them funny names...but fact is these "wakashus" were males.

And im sure many people feel today the same about "they/them" non binary people.
But I'd say that the opinion at the time that they were somewhere between a man and a woman would line up pretty well wilth modern takes on being non binary.
Again even when having sex with a "man" was prohibited, you could bang a 30 year old wakusha cause he wasn't a man.

 

[Lord Panda]

Imagine the huge success this game would have gotten if they used a classic historical Japanese Samurai as their lead.. asscreed: musashi ... the hungry for asscreed japan was/is very real .. no matter the current reception, imho they fucked up.

Yeah not sure what they were smoking - why even risk potential controversy when there was so much at stake. Such an unnecessary risk.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

I can. I've yet to see any DEI elements actually playing the game. If anything, the Japanese dub and writting is very well done and respectful to the culture and era, at least so far. For all the crap I've been reading here for months, I've yet to see any yellow or red flags after 8 hours. I'm afraid that the extend of those DEI elements is "there's a black person in my samurai game herp derp" which was stupid from the very beggining as it's an old concept and even considered cool in Japan seeing certain works like Afro Samurai. I swear, youtube grifters like asmongold have fried some people's brain.

I’m ten or twelve hours in and haven’t seen shit in terms of DEI. The people complaining about woke and DEI are mostly people who aren’t in the OT and haven’t played the game, they just watch Asswithmold or some other personality on YT, with zero self awareness that they are just being manipulated for clicks.

It was fine last year for a Japanese studio to make a very similar game (Ronin) with a lot of the same things people are crying about in Shadows. But now it’s Ubi and there’s a black character, gotta push the outrage to 11.

 

[bighugeguns]

I’m ten or twelve hours in and haven’t seen shit in terms of DEI. The people complaining about woke and DEI are mostly people who aren’t in the OT and haven’t played the game, they just watch Asswithmold or some other personality on YT, with zero self awareness that they are just being manipulated for clicks.

It was fine last year for a Japanese studio to make a very similar game (Ronin) with a lot of the same things people are crying about in Shadows. But now it’s Ubi and there’s a black character, gotta push the outrage to 11.

Asmongold practically destroyed your sales single handedly, note to all future publishers, aspiring and established, ignore the legacy media and marketing outlets entirely, pay the celebrity toll, it's 2025, you can't allocate enough of your marketing budget towards a man like that.

Paying him directly to ignore your product isn't a meme either, he welcomed it, you'd do better to allocate 20% of your marketing budget to that if you won't go all in to succeed (If you made an internally concluded mediocre grossly overpriced product, plenty of those around). It really is a dangerous and unnecessary gamble as marketing & sales to ignore guys like that.

 

[Pelao]

Crazy that it didn't even surpass Veilguard's numbers.

 

[EDMIX]

Crazy that it didn't even surpass Veilguard's numbers.

neither did Call Of Duty Black Ops 6...

 

[Pop]

neither did Call Of Duty Black Ops 6...

blops 6 is labeled as a dlc, cant see concurrent numbers for that

but thats the cod numbers as of right now

 

[Pelao]

I don't know much about Call of Duty, but isn't the whole thing unified into a single launcher now? Because checking the charts, even in the last 24 hours it had a higher peak than Veilguard's launch day (70k).

 

[EDMIX]

blops 6 is labeled as a dlc, cant see concurrent numbers for that

but thats the cod numbers as of right now

true, but Dragon Age was still outselling it on Steam

https://mp1st.com/news/dragon-age-t...e-on-steam-knocks-off-black-ops-6-from-1-spot

All this goes to show is that some metrics, do not provide the entire picture into how a game actually does overall

 

[EDMIX]

I don't know much about Call of Duty, but isn't the whole thing unified into a single launcher now? Because checking the charts, even in the last 24 hours it had a higher peak than Veilguard's launch day (70k).

Crazy that it didn't outsell Dragon Age when it launched

 

[adamsapple]

Now imagine this: People outside echo chambers are often able to criticize the company greed and extreme shoehorning on one side, and the fake outrage and the bots on the other side - At the same time!

Is such a thing even possible?

Stop pretending you speak for me! Also, I agree with you.

This post in a nutshell

 

[Pelao]

Crazy that it didn't outsell Dragon Age when it launched

But Call of Duty came out on October 25, a whole week earlier.

 

[EDMIX]

But Call of Duty came out on October 25, a whole week earlier.

but Dragon Age sold better then Call Of Duty

Dragon Age: The Veilguard Becomes Most Played Single-Player EA Game on Steam; Knocks Off Black Ops 6 From #1 Top Sellers Spot

Dragon Age:: The Veilguard is now the most played single-player EA game on Steam, and it even manages to unseat Black Ops 6 as the top seller.

mp1st.com

 

[Pelao]

but Dragon Age sold better then Call Of Duty

Dragon Age: The Veilguard Becomes Most Played Single-Player EA Game on Steam; Knocks Off Black Ops 6 From #1 Top Sellers Spot

Dragon Age:: The Veilguard is now the most played single-player EA game on Steam, and it even manages to unseat Black Ops 6 as the top seller.

mp1st.com

How odd, the charts show that Call of Duty was doing crazy numbers on those dates. But hey, if the game journalists say otherwise...

 

[EDMIX]

How odd, the charts show that Call of Duty was doing crazy numbers on those dates. But hey, if the game journalists say otherwise...

That isn't say so by a "game journalist " that is factually stating that Dragon Age outsold Call Of Duty upon its release on Steam..... that is fact sir.

I mean...please keep in mind, I'm joking with you, but I need you to understand if you're able to put together that there's a reason on why that specific game sold better based on a different set of contexts I'm pretty damn positive you could understand why dragon age was doing better on Steam regarding AC Shadows


As I find it strange that you think it's crazy dragon age is doing better on steam then assassin's creed

But you completely understand how dragon age outsold Call of Duty when it launched considering COD launched a week prior

Its almost as if, different IP sell differently on Steam vs console and 1 number cannot provide all context regarding something like this.

 

[Pelao]

That isn't say so by a "game jourlist" that is factually stating that Dragon Age outsold Call Of Duty upon its release on Steam..... that is fact sir.

I mean...please keep in mind, I'm joking with you, but I need you to understand if you're able to put together that there's a reason on why that specific game sold better based on a different set of contexts I'm pretty damn positive you could understand why dragon age was doing better on Steam regarding AC Shadows


As I find it strange that you think it's crazy dragon age is doing better on steam then assassin's creed

But you completely understand how dragon age outsold Call of Duty when it launched considering COD launched a week prior

Its almost as if, different IP sell differently on Steam vs console and 1 number cannot provide all context regarding something like this.

I'm also showing real data, man. And it's publicly available data.
The facts are that Call of Duty had much higher peaks of players on Steam than Dragon Age on its release day. And well, in the end Dragon Age was a commercial failure while Call of Duty was the best selling game of 2024.
Now we have Assassin's Creed Shadows, which is doing worse numbers on Steam than Dragon Age.

 

[EDMIX]

I'm also showing real data, man. And it's publicly available data.
The facts are that Call of Duty had much higher peaks of players on Steam than Dragon Age on its release day. And well, in the end Dragon Age was a commercial failure while Call of Duty was the best selling game of 2024.
Now we have Assassin's Creed Shadows, which is doing worse numbers on Steam than Dragon Age.

lol wow....

Soooooooo you get that other factors must be considered to show COD did better..

but you only wish to just talk about how AC Shadows is doing on Steam and nothing else, no more context, no other factors, nothing huh? smh...

So the point I'm making is not stating I believe Dragon Age did better then COD, its to say that you need MORE INFORMATION to determine something like this, not 1 fucking number.

Using this logic, that is like me (hello) just showing you that Dragon Age outsold Call Of Duty and then saying "DOING WORSE NUMBERS" (please don't look at other factors) and then trying to just argue that 1 thing or something.

edit. I think its odd you didn't even get why I was stating that btw, if you can get that the dates it released provide a logical reason why Dragon Age did better then Call Of Duty on steam with that exact context, I'm not sure why you'd try to just only see 1 number with AC Shadows and try to force this narrative.

 

[Pelao]

lol wow....

Soooooooo you get that other factors must be considered to show COD did better..

but you only wish to just talk about how AC Shadows is doing on Steam and nothing else, no more context, no other factors, nothing huh? smh...

So the point I'm making is not stating I believe Dragon Age did better then COD, its to say that you need MORE INFORMATION to determine something like this, not 1 fucking number.

Using this logic, that is like me (hello) just showing you that Dragon Age outsold Call Of Duty and then saying "DOING WORSE NUMBERS" (please don't look at other factors) and then trying to just argue that 1 thing or something.

edit. I think its odd you didn't even get why I was stating that btw, if you can get that the dates it released provide a logical reason why Dragon Age did better then Call Of Duty on steam with that exact context, I'm not sure why you'd try to just only see 1 number with AC Shadows and try to force this narrative.

What I find curious is that you keep saying Dragon Age outsold Call of Duty or that it did better when that's not really the case, though.
As even the source you quote says, it knocked it off the top sales spot when it was released, which is different than saying it sold more copies or even did better, since selling more than COD one day doesn't mean it sold more than COD did at its launch.

 

[EDMIX]

What I find curious is that you keep saying Dragon Age outsold Call of Duty or that it did better when that's not really the case, though.

Dragon Age: The Veilguard Becomes Most Played Single-Player EA Game on Steam; Knocks Off Black Ops 6 From #1 Top Sellers Spot

Dragon Age:: The Veilguard is now the most played single-player EA game on Steam, and it even manages to unseat Black Ops 6 as the top seller.

mp1st.com

^ clearly it did though....

The point I'm making is this metric doesn't provide enough information to see the whole picture..

As even the source you quote says, it knocked it off the top sales spot when it was released, which is different than saying it sold more copies or even did better,

Clearly it factually did WHEN IT WAS RELEASED as to why it charted higher....

selling more than COD one day doesn't mean it sold more than COD did at its launch

Damn, that is crazy, are you telling me we need more data, information and context to understand if something did well overall instead if 1 number?

hmmmmmm

Thats wild.

My friend, this is the entire fucking point I'm making about your comment about Shadows btw, you need more info, data and a single metric clearly isn't enough to tell overall if something did well or not.

edit, even Dragon Age charting higher then COD isn't a shock when you factor its on Steam, a place where COD generally doesn't have the biggest install base of fans... (ie context) All of that matters when looking into this, just like WHEN COD released, just like it only be launch day Dragon Age did better etc.

Apply that same logic with AC Shadows then..

 

[Pelao]

Apply that same logic with AC Shadows then..

It's pretty easy to understand, man, and I presented it with actual data.

Call of Duty (the best selling game of 2024) sold more than Dragon Age and had more players on Steam, even at Dragon Age's launch.
Dragon Age sold less and had less players on Steam.
Now Assassin's Creed Shadows has even less players than Dragon Age.

For some reason you are fixated on saying that Dragon Age sold more than Call of Duty, when the article you quote simply says that Dragon Age overtook it one day, and that was when COD had been on the market for a week, and even then it didn't surpass it in number of players.

Can't discuss much else when you want to dismiss facts like that.

 

[EDMIX]

For some reason you are fixated on saying that Dragon Age sold more than Call of Duty

hmmm i think you need to read those post again to get what is being stated btw.

edit. sir, you can't discuss anything if you are not reading the post people are making. Your post seems to imply that the comment I'm making is literally arguing Dragon Age did better then Call Of Duty...so....read the post before replying as I don't think you understand what is being stated.

 

[Pelao]

hmmm i think you need to read those post again to get what is being stated btw.

It is what you said, man.

but Dragon Age sold better then Call Of Duty

Dragon Age: The Veilguard Becomes Most Played Single-Player EA Game on Steam; Knocks Off Black Ops 6 From #1 Top Sellers Spot

Dragon Age:: The Veilguard is now the most played single-player EA game on Steam, and it even manages to unseat Black Ops 6 as the top seller.

mp1st.com

 

[EDMIX]

It is what you said, man.

I mean...please keep in mind, I'm joking with you,

So the point I'm making is not stating I believe Dragon Age did better then COD, its to say that you need MORE INFORMATION to determine something like this, not 1 fucking number.

read the actual post lol

I'm saying this btw to show that clearly Dragon Age outsold Call Of Duty, but more context is needed. Like it was only for its launch, on 1 day, only on steam....

So....read the actual post as I don't even get how you are discussing anything if you are just assuming the comment is in absolution

 

[Pelao]

read the actual post lol

I'm saying this btw to show that clearly Dragon Age outsold Call Of Duty, but more context is needed. Like it was only for its launch, on 1 day, only on steam....

So....read the actual post as I don't even get how you are discussing anything if you are just assuming the comment is in absolution

I just find it funny that your argument started with a false statement.

neither did Call Of Duty Black Ops 6...

To then say it's a joke and try to argue that we need more information to prove that this game that is factually doing worse numbers than Veilguard on Steam, which factually did worse numbers than Call of Duty on Steam, is doing worse numbers than Veilguard on Steam. All of this in the thread about the game's Steam CCU.

 

[DForce]

The Top Paid Xbox games list has just been updated.

US
5th - Standard Edition
19th - Deluxe Edition

UK
4th - Standard Edition
13th - Deluxe Edition

UPDATED
US
3rd - Standard Edition
10th - Deluxe Edition

UK
1st - Standard Edition
11th - Deluxe Edition

Veilguard didn't perform well on consoles. Sales were poor and it wasn't topping the charts.



PLAYSTATION STORE
- It's now 8th in Japan
- Moved up to 2nd in Italy
- Moved up to 3rd in the US
- Moved up to 2nd in the UK.

AMAZON
US:
#4th (PS5)
#21 (Xbox)

JAPAN
Dropped to #51

FAMITSU
[PS4] Assassin’s Creed Valhalla (Ubisoft, 11/10/20) – 45,055 (New)
[PS5] Assassin’s Creed Valhalla (Ubisoft, 11/10/20) – 4,227 (New)

[PS4] Assassin's Creed: Odyssey # <RPG> (Ubisoft) {2018.10.05} (¥8.400) - 50.173 / NEW <40-60%>

PLAYSTATION STORE
US - 1st
UK - 2nd
Italy - 2nd
Germany - 1st
Japan - 11th
Spain - 2nd

AMAZON
US:
#9 (PS5)
#57 (Xbox)

UK:
#1 (PS5)
#8 (Xbox)

Germany:
#4 (PS5)
#49 (Xbox)


JAPAN:
Dropped to #91

 

[calico]

I believe EDMIX is attempting to point out the logical mistake in using the argument that because a game (Veilguard) topped the sellers chart on its release day it must have done better than the games below it in that chart overall (Black Ops 6 in this case).

The problem is that nobody besides himself has attempted to use that argument and that isn't what happens when we compare Steam peaks.

If that isn't the point being made with the Veilguard vs Black Ops 6 comments then I have no idea what is.

 

[calico]

UPDATED
US
3rd - Standard Edition
10th - Deluxe Edition

UK
1st - Standard Edition
11th - Deluxe Edition



PLAYSTATION STORE
US - 1st
UK - 2nd
Italy - 2nd
Germany - 1st
Japan - 11th
Spain - 2nd

AMAZON
US:
#9 (PS5)
#57 (Xbox)

UK:
#1 (PS5)
#8 (Xbox)

Germany:
#4 (PS5)
#49 (Xbox)


JAPAN:
Dropped to #91

Which Amazon chart/page are you looking at that has Shadows at 9 and 57?

 

[DForce]

Which Amazon chart/page are you looking at that has Shadows at 9 and 57?

Overall best sellers under video games.

Amazon Best Sellers: Best Video Games

View the best video games in Amazon Best Sellers. Browse the 100 top video games to identify the most popular games. Get useful information on what other people are buying.

www.amazon.com

 

[calico]

Overall best sellers under video games.

Amazon Best Sellers: Best Video Games

View the best video games in Amazon Best Sellers. Browse the 100 top video games to identify the most popular games. Get useful information on what other people are buying.

www.amazon.com

Oh right with all the other stuff. It shows as the #1 game for PS5 and Xbox for me

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I don't know much about Call of Duty, but isn't the whole thing unified into a single launcher now? Because checking the charts, even in the last 24 hours it had a higher peak than Veilguard's launch day (70k).

Yes, because everything is the "Call of Duty App" there is no longer any way to see how individual CoD releases perform on Steam other than CCU's on the general app, which should peak every year or so when a new one releases

 

[PeteBull]

Just as expected, we can safely assume now that game's steam ccu peak wont move up any further, currently measly 25k at 10am in europe which is just tiny bit below of what it was on friday 10am euro time

https://steamdb.info/app/3159330/charts/#48h

 

[ValiantInstance]

The 'it's $30 cheaper on Ubi's launcher' argument conveniently ignores that they would have to sell about 8-10 million copies to break a profit if this supposed silent majority of pc gamers are buying it on there instead of Steam.

Also on a side note their launcher is fucking shit and I will never have it on my pc again. For years I would click 'remember password' only to have to enter it with every log in. Then every time it updates it would ask for UAC 3 times.

 

[seething left]

The 'it's $30 cheaper on Ubi's launcher' argument conveniently ignores that they would have to sell about 8-10 million copies to break a profit if this supposed silent majority of pc gamers are buying it on there instead of Steam.

Also on a side note their launcher is fucking shit and I will never have it on my pc again. For years I would click 'remember password' only to have to enter it with every log in. Then every time it updates it would ask for UAC 3 times.

They don't have to pay the commission on Ubi launcher which they do on Steam. The truly relevant sales are on PSN anyway.

 

[Skifi28]

Bro, i know who asmongold is but i newer watch him, its just common sense to recognise wokeness in todays western AAA games, like for example putting black protag as samurai in feudal japan, thats forced diversity, aka DEI, gotta call spade a spade, otherwise u gonna be claiming its raining when some1 spitting in ur face, gotta have at least lil bit of selfrespect as a guy here
Japan has plenty masculine samurai rolemodels who are both legends and history accurate, there was 0 need to remove japanese male from the game, even if ubi wanted to pander to woke cucks they could make yosuke 3rd/optional character, but no, they had to go full retard and replace japanese male with black dude...

Again, I've been playing the game and I've yet to see anything woke about it. So far it seems respectful to Japanese culture and hasn't lectured me about anything. It's sad that we've reached a point where just having a black protagonist is immediately woke and "obvious" at that. As I've said before, black samurais are not a new concept and even Japanese themselves have embraced it way before Shadows was a thing. In the end it's just assumptions, you can blame every game or movie with a black protagonist about being woke, but you can't really prove anything. It's just confirmation bias.

And about blaming ppl who didnt like/buy the game for it not doing well- guess what, thats capitalism at its finest, ubi didnt make product we liked so we didnt buy it, simple as that, same way like with so many other games of questionable quality that are plagued by woke virus, they all got much lower sales vs what they potentially would sell if focus on quality was there, instead of focus on pushing agenda
Wanna blame some1 for low quality of the game or its financial failure- blame the devs, and i dont mean coders/programmers, i mean studio heads/project managers and other ppl in power, they decided game gonna look like it looks, we- customers barely react to their fuck ups

When did I blame anyone for not buying the game? You are putting words in my mouth. The first thing I said in this very thread was "vote with your wallet". What I do blame people for is not being interested in a game yet being in every single thread about it hoping against hope it fails, Ubisoft gets closed and thousands lose their job etc. That's messed up. When I'm not interested in a game, I usually ignore it. The problem is you are way too deep into an imaginary war that is being waged in your head, maybe take a step back and start enjoying the hobby for what it is. The world is not black or white.

Its actually pretty close, same way u had to look at that shemale abnomination called trish or trash or w/e for big chunk of the game u have to look and even play as black guy in feudal japan, him wearing samurai war armor is pure disgrace on its own not to mention him killing hundreds(tousands) of native japanese ppl...

Meanwhile Japanese media:



A black man in ronin attire killing Japanese while hip hop music is playing in the background. Like I said, it's a very old concept the Japanese themselves embrace. But now it's a disgrace, apparently. And in Rise of the Ronin you can wear western attire as a Japanese, what's the big deal about it?

 

[PeteBull]

Imagine the huge success this game would have gotten if they used a classic historical Japanese Samurai as their lead.. asscreed: musashi ... the hungry for asscreed japan was/is very real .. no matter the current reception, imho they fucked up.

Yup, ofc it wouldnt magically double sales/ubi subs but definitely would bring more, maybe only 30% more, which is still pretty significant amount, even if we take half of AC:V revenue which was officially announced to be 1b usd, so 500m usd for AC:S, add 30% on top and thats bonus 150m usd game wont earn coz of stupid mistake of not offering option of having japanese male protag.
Heads at ubi are retarded af to leave that amount of money on the table...

 

[PeteBull]

Meahwhile Japanese media:



A black man in ronin attire killing Japanese while hip hop music is playing in the background. Like I said, it's a very old concept the Japanese themselves embrace. But now it's a disgrace, apparently.

Bro, u still missing the point, no1 minds yasuke to be an option, as long as other option is proper japanese male samurai, make yasuke dlc/third protag or w/e.
Afro samurai anime exists, but its 1 anime among hundred animes with proper japanese male samurai.
With AC:S we get 1 female protag, and 1 black samurai protag, and exactly proper 0 japanese samurai protag, which should be the default one, since 99,999% of all samurais were japanese men, all historical legendary samurais were japanese men.

Japan's 12 Most Famous Samurai | All About Japan

You probably know Miyamoto Musashi, but how many other real-world samurai can you name? Here are 12 of the most famous samurai in Japan!

allabout-japan.com

Compare proper historical legendary samurai vs that black slave/pet yasuke, who was "famous" for being black and 6feet2, not his won duels, any strategic skills, unifing the nation, nothing, just being black slave of 6feet2, plenty such men in the world, on top he was spared from being killed while all his brothers in arms got slaughtered, just coz he wasnt japanese, he was sent back to the jesuits after 3 years, thats his whole "japanese samurai life"

Yasuke then surrendered his sword to Mitsuhide who, unaccustomed to a samurai surrendering rather than killing himself after the death of his lord, ordered Yasuke returned to the Jesuit mission in Kyoto. Whether this was out of disrespect for a "beast," as Mitsuhide put it, or cover for an act of mercy remains a matter of debate

As we can see, proper japanese samurai killed themselfs after lost battle, while yasuke, like a lil bitch he was, disgraced himself and surrendered...

 

[Skifi28]

Yeah, I give up. Your aguments don't even make any sense. Have fun, I guess.

 

[Gaiff]

Bro, u still missing the point, no1 minds yasuke to be an option, as long as other option is proper japanese male samurai, make yasuke dlc/third protag or w/e.

No one owes anyone "a proper Japanese male samurai". There are hundreds of books, games, video games, movies, manga, and TV shows starring them. One black dude is a drop in the bucket, yet you can’t stop crying about it.

The fact that you insist calling him a "slave" or "pet" and try to diminish his status at every turn tells us everything we need to know. Quit bullshitting.

 

[PeteBull]

No one owes anyone "a proper Japanese male samurai". There are hundreds of books, games, video games, movies, manga, and TV shows starring them. One black dude is a drop in the bucket, yet you can’t stop crying about it.

The fact that you insist calling him a "slave" or "pet" and try to diminish his status at every turn tells us everything we need to know. Quit bullshitting.

He was slave, and his whole "samurai life" was 3 years, ended with bigtime disgrace while his brothers in arms, proper japanese samurais, were killing themselfs after suffering defeat from overwhelming forces, while he surrendered to enemy general, then got send back to jesuits, even his enemies didnt treat him as proper samurai...
Being samurai isnt about being strong or wearing armor/sword, its about having mental fortitude/honor, which yosuke obviously didnt have, like at all, and thats ok, he was black slave kept as a pet for 3 years after all, no1 bothered or cared to teach him true ways of samurai.

 

[Gaiff]

He was slave,

He wasn’t. Stop bullshitting. He was paid and given a house. Since when are slaves paid?

and his whole "samurai life" was 3 years, ended with bigtime disgrace while his brothers in arms, proper japanese samurais, were killing themselfs after suffering defeat from overwhelming forces, while he surrendered to enemy general, then got send back to jesuits, even his enemies didnt treat him as proper samurai...

This was already addressed, yet you keep making shit up. Akechi stabbed Nobunaga in the back, why would he give a damn about Yasuke? The man who gave him his status, his dependent, was dead by that point. We care about how Nobunaga perceived him, he was his lord/patron. If Akechi disagreed with his status, that’s a whole different matter.

 

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Yup, ofc it wouldnt magically double sales/ubi subs but definitely would bring more, maybe only 30% more, which is still pretty significant amount, even if we take half of AC:V revenue which was officially announced to be 1b usd, so 500m usd for AC:S, add 30% on top and thats bonus 150m usd game wont earn coz of stupid mistake of not offering option of having japanese male protag.
Heads at ubi are retarded af to leave that amount of money on the table...

Nobody ever figured out why Ubisoft thought that renting the game to gamers for a month for $17 on Ubisoft+ was somehow supposed to make them more money than selling it to them for $70

If you drink the Gamepass Koolaid, what you get is bankruptcy. Ubisoft doesn't seem to understand that Microsoft can do Gamepass because they have infinity money

 

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It also seems more likely for people to get lured to gamepass and end up staying subscribed long term than for the same to happen with Ubi+. The latter will be used as a rental service.

 

[PeteBull]

He wasn’t. Stop bullshitting. He was paid and given a house. Since when are slaves paid?

This was already addressed, yet you keep making shit up. Akechi stabbed Nobunaga in the back, why would he give a damn about Yasuke? The man who gave him his status, his dependent, was dead by that point. We care about how Nobunaga perceived him, he was his lord/patron. If Akechi disagreed with his status, that’s a whole different matter.

He was a slave before his "samurai life of 3years" episode.
And again, u know what being samurai means? Its not about having sword/armor/getting paid, its about mental fortitude and honor, which we know yasuke lacked.
Again direct quote from the article:

Yasuke then surrendered his sword to Mitsuhide who, unaccustomed to a samurai surrendering rather than killing himself after the death of his lord, ordered Yasuke returned to the Jesuit mission in Kyoto. Whether this was out of disrespect for a "beast," as Mitsuhide put it, or cover for an act of mercy remains a matter of debate.

Compare yasuke's achievements (being black and 6feet2) vs any other actual famous samurai from this article, u see the difference?

Japan's 12 Most Famous Samurai | All About Japan

You probably know Miyamoto Musashi, but how many other real-world samurai can you name? Here are 12 of the most famous samurai in Japan!

allabout-japan.com

 

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He was a slave before his "samurai life of 3years" episode.

No, he wasn't. By the time he was with the Jesuits, he wasn't a slave. None of his documented life chronicles him as a slave. It's possible he was one before, but this is speculation.

And again, u know what being samurai means? Its not about having sword/armor/getting paid, its about mental fortitude and honor, which we know yasuke lacked.

That's not what being a samurai means. A samurai was a class/status, most of them at one point were even government officials who had none of the modern hallmarks of a samurai, which a lot of was made up after WWI. Furthermore, the famous "bushido code" changed throughout history. It wasn't one hard and fast doctrine that every samurai followed. A samurai was usually someone of privileged status who served a lord. The root word for samurai in Japanese even means "to serve". It wasn't about "honor" and "mental fortitude", quit taking your information from anime. This is real life. The very core of what defined a samurai even changed throughout history. It wasn't a one-and-done deal. Hideyoshi who succeeded Nobunaga for instance, made changes to what the status entailed such as forbidden peasants to carry sword, something that wasn't prohibited during Nobunaga's time.


https://www.wanpela.com/holdouts/history.html

It's also ironic you keep bringing up Akechi when the dude was a traitor. By your very own definition, he wasn't a samurai because turning against one's lord and team most certainly wasn't honorable, yet this guy is supposed to be a judge of what honor was? Comical.

Compare yasuke's achievements (being black and 6feet2) vs any other actual famous samurai from this article, u see the difference?

Guess what? Most samurai weren't famous and you never heard about them. Of course, comparing Yasuke to the best of the best will make him look average, but a lot more is known about him than most.

 

[PeteBull]

No, he wasn't. By the time he was with the Jesuits, he wasn't a slave. None of his documented life chronicles him as a slave. It's possible he was one before, but this is speculation.

That's not what being a samurai means. A samurai was a class/status, most of them at one point were even government officials who had none of the modern hallmarks of a samurai, which a lot of was made up after WWI. Furthermore, the famous "bushido code" changed throughout history. It wasn't one hard and fast doctrine that every samurai followed. A samurai was usually someone of privileged status who served a lord. The root word for samurai in Japanese even means "to serve". It wasn't about "honor" and "mental fortitude", quit taking your information from anime. This is real life. The very core of what defined a samurai even changed throughout history. It wasn't a one-and-done deal. Hideyoshi who succeeded Nobunaga for instance, made changes to what the status entailed such as forbidden peasants to carry sword, something that wasn't prohibited during Nobunaga's time.


https://www.wanpela.com/holdouts/history.html

Guess what? Most samurai weren't famous and you never heard about them. Of course, comparing Yasuke to the best of the best will make him look average, but a lot more is known about him than most.

Yasuke was an African slave brought to Japan in 1579 by the Jesuit missionary Alessandro Valignano.

straight from the article again...
And if as u mention yasuke is avg at best(actuall much worse coz he disgraced himself by surrendering) only reason he is protag of AC:S is coz of his skin colour, aka DEI- forced diversity.
Ubi had all those amazing extraordinairy japanese male samurai to chose from, yet they chose black guy with no achievements...