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Batman v Superman Friday Boxoffice Estimate: $82M
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Which about breaks it even. It really, really needed 1B.
Skellig Gra
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Doesn't really mean much. The hardcore fans were going to see this right away even it the RT was 0%.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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In hindsight, the consistency of the Twilight films is really remarkable, especially in light of the Hunger Games films' dropping quite a bit after 2, and the Divergent series completely falling off a cliff.
BronsonLee
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I've seen both the best and the worst of humanity.
Both are contained in the Batman v Superman review thread.
Sure it does. It tied or beat Avengers Ultron and that was coming off the huge blockbuster Avengers. It's huge. Don't down play it.
Then what does that make you?
BronsonLee
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Sgt. Kabukiman
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Sure, it was a disappointment but it wasn't a bomb, Sony just spent way too much on the movie, just like Warner probably did with BvS.
says who? I've seen equal amounts of praise and hate from user reviews.
Skellig Gra
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Without knowing the performance for Friday/Saturday/Sunday, I wouldn't say its huge. Didn't we already know this movie had tons of pre-sale tickets before the reviews came out?
I think that Potter and Twilight had a larger group of people who were emotionally invested in the characters/world. Starting with the second film, all of the Twilight films had extremely consistent domestic grosses. We saw the same thing with Potter between #4-7, before 3D inflated the gross of the final film.
Hunger games was hot for a couple of years, and then a significant portion of the audience decided that they didn't care how the series ended.
Thursday had about $14M in presales at the beginning of the week. The Weekend in total had close to $30M in presales.
Batman v Superman Promotion Urges Filmgoers to Just Get This Over With
This was always going to have a huge opening week.
But I have my doubts this is going to have momentum. I could be wrong.
I know I've already told many of my friends and anyone in earshot to skip this. Man, I hated this film.
This was always going to have a huge opening week.
But I have my doubts this is going to have momentum. I could be wrong.
I know I've already told many of my friends and anyone in earshot to skip this. Man, I hated this film.
Dash_Riprock
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A polarizing WoM does not bode well. Look at MoS box office numbers.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I think it's because the Transformers movies did SO well that they stay front of mind. The discrepancy between the critical consensus and the financial take is so wide that it sorta overshadows any other example.
BUT, leaving out Transformers films:
Twilight: New Moon - 29% RT score, 296mil domestic
Alvin & the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel - 21% RT score, 219mil domestic
Alice in Wonderland: 52% RT Score, 334mil domestic
Twilight: Eclipse - 49% RT Score, 300mil domestic
Hangover Part II - 34% RT Score, 254mil domestic
Pirates: Stranger Tides - 32% RT Score, 241mil domestic
Man of Steel: 56% RT Score, 291mil domestic
Oz the Great and Powerful: 59% RT Score, 234mil domestic
Maleficent: 49% RT Score, 241mil domestic
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: 21% RT Score, 191mil domestic
Amazing Spider-Man 2: 53% RT Score, 202mil domestic
That's going back to 2009. (I stopped counting Twilight sequels halfway through, too.)
What you see there is a thing that Hollywood's understood for quite awhile now: Branding trumps pretty much every other factor when it comes to receipts.
friskykillface
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I saw it last night in a semi packed theater, even if it was a 0% total shit show I would have went
Batman x Superman in a movie on the big screen, for $12 sure i'll see it
the real test is weeks 2 and 3, see how big of a drop it is, I still think people should go, its just ok and thats good enough for movies these days
Batman x Superman in a movie on the big screen, for $12 sure i'll see it
the real test is weeks 2 and 3, see how big of a drop it is, I still think people should go, its just ok and thats good enough for movies these days
Netherscourge
Banned
I wonder how many of those tickets were bought prior to this week's review onslaught?
Goodwill also takes a long time to wear off:
Pirates of the Caribbean - 79% RT - $654M worldwide
Dead Man's Chest - 54% RT - $1.066B worldwide
At World's End - 45% RT - $963M worldwide
On Stranger Tides - 32% - $1.045B worldwide
Shrek - 88% - $484M worldwide
Shrek 2 - 88% - $920M worldwide
Shrek 3 - 40% - $799M worldwide
Shrek 4- 58% - $753M worldwide
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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It does, however, have an effect on future sequels (well, not named Twilight, I suppose), which should be a lesson that Hollywood learns but tends not to due to overseas audiences coming to the rescue.
Domestic grosses for various "rotten" franchise:
Pirates: 305 - 423 - 309 - 241
Transformers: 319 - 402 - 352 - 245
Alvin: 217 - 219 - 133 - 85
Hangover: 277 - 254 - 112
Domestic audiences have been very unkind to threequels and fourquels to bad films. And we'll see how things go for the Snow White and Alice sequels this year.
Yes, more than anything, should DC stick with this, it'll be interesting seeing the box office for films like Aquaman or Cyborg.
superdeluxe
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Whats going to be interesting is seeing the Cinescore and how the legs hold up.
Bobby Roberts
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Cinemascore is pretty useless overall though. Always has been.
Even using domestic totals, Transformers and Pirates are only down about 20% over the original film after several shitty sequels. I mean, $240M is basically in the same range as films people really liked (Star Trek 09, Days of Future Past, The Winter Soldier), so the brand is still overpowering quality.
Pops Maellard
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One guy clapped at the end of mine, for about 3 seconds until he realized no one else would follow. The Ghostbusters trailer got a better reaction.
Father_Brain
Banned
True. But it's also worth noting that MOS got an A- CinemaScore rating, and that that didn't translate into particularly impressive legs.
I would say 90%, hell maybe even 100%.
It's at 44M in two days overseas.
http://deadline.com/2016/03/batman-...-box-office-results-international-1201725677/
http://deadline.com/2016/03/batman-...-box-office-results-international-1201725677/
For what it's worth in Glasgow's Cineworld (Europe's tallest cinema I believe) had every day time showing of BvS totally sold out today with the evening's screenings filling up fast.
I literally got the last seat for the 10am showing with the next two at 10:10 and 10:40 already sold out. Chatting with the staff they said the only other film that has had this much demand was The Force Awakens.
It seems that opening on the Easter weekend was a masterstroke on WB's behalf even if they were going up against Zootropolis (which is Zootopia in the UK) which was also opening this weekend.
I literally got the last seat for the 10am showing with the next two at 10:10 and 10:40 already sold out. Chatting with the staff they said the only other film that has had this much demand was The Force Awakens.
It seems that opening on the Easter weekend was a masterstroke on WB's behalf even if they were going up against Zootropolis (which is Zootopia in the UK) which was also opening this weekend.
Hell, even if you take into account factors like release timeframe, it's not that reliable.. Closest comparison I could think of was Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and that only made $10 million in Thursday previews. (BvS will obviously open significantly higher, but not 2.7 times higher.)
Good job doing the research I wasn't willing to do.
Deadpool was $12.7M, which would probably be the second closest comparison for time of year. I think we can agree that BvS isn't going to open to close to $290M.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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TF and Pirates look better than they do, considering their first films were the audience favorites of their respective years.
Both have a fifth film coming out next, off the heels of fourth films with the worst WOM of the series. I'm honestly expecting both to struggle to make $200M domestically... which probably won't matter much when they still do $900M internationally. Maybe they'll be the first uber blockbuster franchises that continue solely with overseas audiences in mind.
If a comic book film gets less than an A Cinemascore, it should raise some eyebrows. And even then, it can mean very little. Ultron got an A and still had some very weak legs.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I don't think anything Cinemascore should raise anything, though. It's a useless metric for the most part.
Pacific Rim got an A Cinemascore rating and it still got murdered by Grown Ups 2. ;_; Heck, GU2 probably got an A rating as well.
That's what I'm saying. It says anything short of a billion will be a huge disappointment. I think it will clear a billion. It will be bittersweet for Warner, but it won't be panic mode.
I understand the rest of the movies will be a tougher sell from here, and it probably won't be a runaway success, but the DC Universe won't die at the feet of this movie.
That's what I'm saying. It says anything short of a billion will be a huge disappointment. I think it will clear a billion. It will be bittersweet for Warner, but it won't be panic mode.
I understand the rest of the movies will be a tougher sell from here, and it probably won't be a runaway success, but the DC Universe won't die at the feet of this movie.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
I went with two friends from work who were not super invested in comic book films. One of them said he was a huge Marvel fan, but I think he is only watched the movies and has never read a comic book in his life. The other one didn't seem interested at all one way or the other. The first knew about the bad reviews going in and II didn't know anything going in. Both of them said they actually enjoyed the movie A Lot. Take that for what it's worth. I am a big comic book fan and a big DC fan and I enjoyed it for what it was, but was also disappointed in a lot of aspects. Namely the distracting score in two or three parts, the the weird way it was edited, too many Batman dream sequences. And an overall heavy hand. I wouldn't mind a little levity, not the MCU variety, but just a little bit of lightness to lighten up the overall extremely dark mood of the film.
Uhhh, is that bad?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I'm starting to wonder if, in the way Man of Steel was sort of the tipping point for "collateral damage in blockbuster films" getting thoroughly examined and vilified, Batman v. Superman is going to be the movie around which a similar narrative coalesces: "Why don't our superheroes like being superheroes?"
Up until Man of Steel, the idea of digital cityscapes being laid waste while millions of presumed deaths fell into the cgi dust left by the heroes/villains was just sorta taken as read. That's just part of the spectacle of these things, right? For some reason, seeing Superman partake in that caused people to focus on just what it was they'd been watching for the last 10 years and re-evaluate. Suddenly your heroes had to take this into account, everyone had to take into account what that looked like, and what it meant to the story, and why was it nobody was really giving that sort of callousness any real thought. Man of Steel wasn't the worst culprit by any stretch, but it definitely became the lens by which the subject was examined.
It could be that Batman v Superman is the film that causes people to write thinkpiece after thinkpiece, cementing the narrative that maybe there's something to the idea that the superhero films be more for the kind of people who made superheroes a thing in the first place: Children.
I mean, if that's the case, I guess it's a good thing this film came out, then.
(I'm also wondering if, much in the same way that Man of Steel sorta erased Into Darkness' complicity in the city-destruction sweepstakes that summer, Batman v. Superman will take all the light that might otherwise fall on Civil War for being thematically similar)
Up until Man of Steel, the idea of digital cityscapes being laid waste while millions of presumed deaths fell into the cgi dust left by the heroes/villains was just sorta taken as read. That's just part of the spectacle of these things, right? For some reason, seeing Superman partake in that caused people to focus on just what it was they'd been watching for the last 10 years and re-evaluate. Suddenly your heroes had to take this into account, everyone had to take into account what that looked like, and what it meant to the story, and why was it nobody was really giving that sort of callousness any real thought. Man of Steel wasn't the worst culprit by any stretch, but it definitely became the lens by which the subject was examined.
It could be that Batman v Superman is the film that causes people to write thinkpiece after thinkpiece, cementing the narrative that maybe there's something to the idea that the superhero films be more for the kind of people who made superheroes a thing in the first place: Children.
I mean, if that's the case, I guess it's a good thing this film came out, then.
(I'm also wondering if, much in the same way that Man of Steel sorta erased Into Darkness' complicity in the city-destruction sweepstakes that summer, Batman v. Superman will take all the light that might otherwise fall on Civil War for being thematically similar)
It's good.
The Force Awakens was at $72M overseas after 2 days, and went on to make $280M overseas for its first weekend (including the Wed/Thurs gross).
BvS has China's Friday opening, so at least $200M overseas this weekend seems like a safe bet.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
That is definitely on you, but I could easily spend more at Burger King... The last time 12 measly dollars bothered me, I was in college. If you are in a financial position where that 12 is a chunk of your discretionary income, then I understand.
Scorpion Soldier
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Amazing Spider-Man 2's total budget including marketing neared $400 million, which is why Sony went into panic mode when it made $700 million. (For reference, Sony doesn't have the merchandise rights for the IP, so they couldn't make up for it with merchandise sales.)
They still get money from product placement and would have had co-marketing deals. Sony didn't spend close to $200M on marketing out of pocket.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
huh.
I mean, the argument was that he wants more value for his money than just "eh."
I don't know what your Burger King ordering habits have to do with that.
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