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MacGurcules

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distantmantra said:
Shipping beer is legal via some private carriers if you're properly licensed (i.e. Expensive business license) to do so. Most everyone is just careful/sneaky about it and breaking the law. Might be stupid but it's still illegal. I've done it a few times and never got caught but it's a chance you need to be aware of.

Go on down to FedEx, UPS or the Postal Service and tell them you're mailing beer. Let me know what happens.
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Shipping alcohol via the Postal Service is illegal. But that's not the case for private shippers like UPS or FedEx. UPS's policies on the matter are relatively brief. Doable, but some restrictions and they prefer you sign a contract if you do it frequently. FedEx makes it harder. They prefer to only ship between licensed liquor wholesalers/retailers/etc.

That said, if you just drop off a box full of beers to be shipped and you don't tell them what's in it, you're not breaking the law. You're just not abiding by their policies. Worst thing that happens is they find out and refuse to ship it or it gets damaged in transit and you've got no recourse.
 
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PhoncipleBone

Banned
distantmantra said:
I'd love to hear the story behind the two facilities doing it differently.

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Ours isn't Cloudy and looking like Oj like some of the other IPAs being posted, but it definitely isn't that clear. I will get a pic tomorrow or this weekend.
 
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Jarnet87

Member
MacGurcules said:
Shipping alcohol via the Postal Service is illegal. But that's not the case for private shippers like UPS or FedEx. UPS's policies on the matter are relatively brief. Doable, but some restrictions and they prefer you sign a contract if you do it frequently. FedEx makes it harder. They prefer to only ship between licensed liquor wholesalers/retailers/etc.

That said, if you just drop off a box full of beers to be shipped and you don't tell them what's in it, you're not breaking the law. You're just not abiding by their policies. Worst thing that happens is they find out and refuse to ship it or it gets damaged in transit and you've got no recourse.
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Only issue I ever had was at a fedex one time they asked me what was in the box. I told them barbecue sauce or vinegar or something and they said because it's a perishable good it had to be overnight shipping. wanted to charge me like $80 lol. took it to another shipping store down the street. i have rarely gotten asked what is in the box. what a lot of people do is do the shipping label online and will drop it off at a office max or similar store where you can drop packages off.
 
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Bacon

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PhoncipleBone said:
Funny, since I moved from CT to KY back in 2014. Used to live in Manchester and work just outside of Hartford for 6 years.

Sigh, I miss Ghandi Bot and all stuff from Weyerbacher.
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Two roads is the hotness up here these days. You can't go anywhere without seeing their beers and some of it is pretty dang good.
 
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PhoncipleBone

Banned
Bacon said:
Two roads is the hotness up here these days. You can't go anywhere without seeing their beers and some of it is pretty dang good.
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Looking at Untappd, I had Roadsmary's Baby and Rye 95 by them before moving. I remember Rye 95 not being impressive, and Roadsmary Baby being average. I haven't had anything else by them it seems.

Here it seems people are about West 6th, Country Boy, and Against the Grain. West 6th IPA is available at just about every restaurant around here. Solid IPA, but nothing to write home about. It is kind of like 60 Minute IPA by Dogfish Head. It is reliable and easy to find.

While I miss many breweries that were easy to find in CT, there are many new breweries I had not had exposure to before moving to KY.
There is great stuff everywhere, and I am just enjoying the ride.
 
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Chris R

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Oh, local shop actually had some fresh hop stuff, so I guess I had to try some. Chasin' Freshies, it's nice and very mellow, not exactly what I expected.

Going to grab the Born Yesterday next time for election night since there were several cases of that left but only a few six packs of the Deschutes.
 
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sharkmuncher

Member
distantmantra said:
Born Yesterday is always a solid fresh hop. Great way to end the season every year.

Was it clear or hazy? Sounds like the beer is different between the Petaluma and Chicago brewed batches. West Coast is clear is day, the Chicago batch is much cloudier.
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Got that cloudy in Omaha. It is really one of Lagunita's best beers. Also rocking that Celebration. Easy to overlook these days, but still a pretty outstanding beer.
 
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Oreoleo

Member
Lulubop said:
This Blue Moon Cappuccino /oatmeal seasonal stout is reaaaaal nice.
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I saw it the other day and very nearly picked some up.

Got the Cinnamon Horchata Ale instead and can't say I regret my decision! It tastes like Cinnamon Life cereal. Gonna have to try that stout next.
 
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HiResDes

Member
They were out of Born Yesterday at my spot so I chose between Fat Head Hop Stalker and Founder's Harvest, ended up with Stalker because I don't think I've had it. I also picked up a sixer of regular Expedition Stout and some Omnipollo pilsner on sale for four bucks for poops and giggles. Just trying to check out a fresh hop before they're completely done.
 
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Triz

Member
Good to see so much Born Yesterday love in here. Im sipping on some now. Im in CA, so my batch isn't cloudy like Ive heard of others. Now to get my hands on some Lagunitas Cappucino Stout (My favorite from the brewery.)
 
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distantmantra

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riotous said:
Must have had 15 or so fresh hop beers on tap the last month and didn't notice any cloudiness to any of them.
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Fresh hop beers aren't inherently cloudy. They're made no differently than any other beer aside from the hops coming straight from the bine instead of being dried.

The hazy nature can come from the type of yeast or the addition of wheat, rye, flour, lactose, etc.
 
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MacGurcules

Member
So, I'm friendly with a central Illinois brewer who's submitting to FoBAB this year and he tells me they've got some extra space to fit me in. I should go, right?
 
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distantmantra

Member
MacGurcules said:
This is why the term "wet hopped" exists.
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You and your wet hopped can go straight to hell. Well, not you, you're cool, but that terminology difference can rot in hell.

Unless you work for SN, there is no difference between wet hop and fresh hop.

I live where the majority of hops are grown. Most breweries (95-98% of breweries in WA and OR make at least one FH beer) call them fresh hop beers, a few call them wet hop. We have tons of fresh festivals but not wet hop festivals. The biggest one in Yakima is Fresh Hop Fest.

SN meant well originally but this continues to cause unneeded confusion and they keep doubling down on it. To the best of my knowledge they are the only brewery that uses fresh hop in the way they do.

Freshly dried hops are not fresh. Would you say that oregano that had just been dried is fresh? No, you wouldn't. So why isn't that ok with hops? Argh rage.

It's obvious here that fresh hops are near and dear to me. Sierra Nevada just muddles the water and leads to people from other parts of the country not understanding. Ugggh.
 
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MacGurcules

Member
distantmantra said:
You and your wet hopped can go straight to hell. Well, not you, you're cool, but that terminology difference can rot in hell.

Unless you work for SN, there is no difference between wet hop and fresh hop.

I live where the majority of hops are grown. Most breweries (95-98% of breweries in WA and OR make at least one FH beer) call them fresh hop beers, a few call them wet hop. We have tons of fresh festivals but not wet hop festivals. The biggest one in Yakima is Fresh Hop Fest.

SN meant well originally but this continues to cause unneeded confusion and they keep doubling down on it.

Freshly dried hops are not fresh. Would you say that oregano that had just been dried is fresh? No, you wouldn't. So why isn't that ok with hops? Argh rage.

It's obvious here that fresh hops are near and dear to me. Sierra Nevada just muddles the water and leads to people from other parts of the country not understanding. Ugggh.
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Honestly, I would call hops that are freshly dried fresh. They're not the same as wet, but they're definitely a different breed from hops that have been around for a year.

I appreciate that the Pacific Northwest can get hops fresher than most of the country and they've got much more access to undried hops. But the rest of us need to be able to separate the truly straight-from-the-bine beers from the rest that use new harvest hops. This is exactly why we have the term wet hopped. Nobody's going to mistake that for something else.
 
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distantmantra

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I can't imagine being able to discern any difference between a beer that uses recently kilned hops as opposed to a beer that uses those same hops six months later that have been stored properly. If that's the case, then I'm not buying the same beer made six months later.
 
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MacGurcules

Member
distantmantra said:
I can't imagine being able to discern any difference between a beer that uses recently killed hops as opposed to a beer that uses those same hops six months later that have been stored properly. If that's the case, then I'm not buying the same beer made six months later.
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There's not a huge difference between hops that are, say, two months after harvest and those that are like eight months. But there is a surprising difference between hops that are two weeks old and hops that are two months old.

I helped bring in the harvest for one of the local farms this year and it's astonishing how different brand new hops from the oast are compared to ones that were harvested a week or two earlier. Stickier and more resiny, more aromatic, just fresher.
 
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distantmantra

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MacGurcules said:
There's not a huge difference between hops that are, say, two months after harvest and those that are like eight months. But there is a surprising difference between hops that are two weeks old and hops that are two months old.

I helped bring in the harvest for one of the local farms this year and it's astonishing how different brand new hops from the oast are compared to ones that were harvested a week or two earlier. Stickier and more resiny, more aromatic, just fresher.
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Were those hops dried in a kiln and bundled? I grow hops and yeah, they're best at peak harvest if we're not talking kilning.
 
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Jarnet87

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what's real good from Modern Times? A local shop got some in for the first time, hoping that becomes a regular thing and not a one off
 
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distantmantra

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Jarnet87 said:
what's real good from Modern Times? A local shop got some in for the first time, hoping that becomes a regular thing and not a one off
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I like City of the Sun, Lomaland and Fortunate Islands. I've also had their Fruitlands Guava Gose which was really nice.

PhoncipleBone said:
Stopped for lunch and they have Celebration Ale on tap. Not as good as I remember it being last year.
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Yeah man, they changed the spices they used so it's not as good.

Hehe. I always get a kick out of people who swear that the beer has holiday spices in it.
 
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distantmantra

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Sounds like Shiner is the equivalent of Rainier in WA. Cheap and plentiful as fuck. And even though it's no longer made in Seattle, everyone has a soft spot for it.

Raaaaaaiiinniieeeeeeeeeeer beeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrr....
 
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riotous

Banned
Dated a girl who would only drink Shiner Bock; got used to it.. dumped the girl, kept drinking the beer.

Although if I was out on the town I'd be drinking Manny's or Mirror Pond; not a lot of Shiner Bock taps.
 
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distantmantra

Member
riotous said:
Dated a girl who would only drink Shiner Bock; got used to it.. dumped the girl, kept drinking the beer.

Although if I was out on the town I'd be drinking Manny's or Mirror Pond; not a lot of Shiner Bock taps.
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Fat Tire and Alaskan Amber were my gateway into beer beers at 21, but Mannys and Mirror Pond were definitely my gateway into craft beer beers.
 
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Chris R

Member
distantmantra said:
Sounds like Shiner is the equivalent of Rainier in WA. Cheap and plentiful as fuck. And even though it's no longer made in Seattle, everyone has a soft spot for it.

Raaaaaaiiinniieeeeeeeeeeer beeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrr....
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Those $6 Rainer cans at Safeco are my go to after I've had one expensive beer (usually from the Cask place since it's always rotating in different shit)
 
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distantmantra

Member
Chris R said:
Those $6 Rainer cans at Safeco are my go to after I've had one expensive beer (usually from the Cask place since it's always rotating in different shit)
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Tallboys of Interurban IPA are my go-to "cheap" beer at Safeco. By cheap I mean $9. Fuck.

The cask station behind home plate is awesome. Had Silver City's Citra fresh hop there this season, which was cool.
 
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PhoncipleBone

Banned
Shop got Barrel Aged Old Rasputin xix in. Debating if it is worth the $23 or whatever dollars for it. I got it the last few years, and enjoyed it, but not $23 enjoyed it. Yet, it seems like something special.


It definitely isn't the aged Old Stock Cellar Reserve. That shit is godly.
 
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Lotto

Member
riotous said:
I have some Modern Times Monsters Park (bourbon edition.)

Heard some of them are infected; will be annoyed if mine is.
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If you have the Cacao nibs with Coconut in it, it's infected :(

Opened mine a month ago and was so disappointed. I heard they refund you though if you bring in the bottle, empty or not. Might just do it if they're still honoring that.
 
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