8m cash RIGHT NOW is hard, though, even if they're a 100m+/yr firm.
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Better Call Saul S3 |OT| Gus Who's Back - Mondays 10/9c on AMC
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8m cash RIGHT NOW is hard, though, even if they're a 100m+/yr firm.
I just thought Jimmy picked a really bad day to sub in for the chair yoga instructor.
Also it looked like Gus realized what he was doing.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Yeah, this is the part that I didn't get.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Nacho failing hard at rolling the rrrrrrrrr....
RNG
Member
Yeah, Nacho put in way too many pills lol.
The reason why Jimmy wanted them to settle now was because he needed money to pay the rent on the office. Yes, he's still going to get the settlement money, but it could take years. Then again the office is no longer an issue either.
Raigan5088
Banned
Amazing season, seriously as good as Breaking Bad.
I suppose Jimmy gets the funds to build 'Better Call Saul' role and office from either Sandpiper money or
I suppose Jimmy gets the funds to build 'Better Call Saul' role and office from either Sandpiper money or
Chuck's money
barneystuta83
Member
A few things.
1. Gus knows.
2. Did Chuck mean his final comments to Jimmy?
3. Why did Chuck do it?
My thoughts below.
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Anyway, an outstanding finale to yet another great series. It was a slow burn at the start, yet it then delivers.
The whole final few scenes were perfect and poignant, exactly what Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul is good at.
Roll on next year and Season 4.
1. Gus knows.
2. Did Chuck mean his final comments to Jimmy?
3. Why did Chuck do it?
My thoughts below.
1. Clear that Gus knew. Nacho didn't rush in to help Hector, he focuses on picking up the tablets and medication. Showed no signs of fear, emotion, nothing.
Where it gets really interesting is this: Does Gus 'appreciate' what Nacho did? Or, will Gus find it disrespectful? It would not surprise me if it is the latter.
2. I am torn on this. I think 99% of what Chuck said was real. The truth, his truth. And in some ways, he is 'right'. Jimmy is a danger to others, or at least some of his personas are. Jimmy was right also, Chuck was not innocent in all this. And while Chuck didn't acknowledge it directly, I think he did inside.
The final comments 'you never meant anything to me anyway' was heartbreaking for Jimmy. He walked away, the classic 'should' I turn around and go back'. He chose not to.
And just as Jimmy went out of sight Chuck looked up. I think, because he knows both are in the right and in the wrong. And a part of him deep inside did and still does care for his brother.
3. So why? The answer is, we will never know. Or likely never know. We can speculate atleast.
His journal/diary, when he woke up in the middle of the night, had a series of feelings at different times of the day. As he wrote something in, he did not write a feeling. He felt nothing.
So why end it all? If I really simplify it, there are two scenarios running through my head.
a) What have I got to live for? Chuck lost. He thought he beat his condition, it came back. He thought he could win back HHM, he didn't. He thought he could help his brother, he couldn't.
So what is there for Chuck to live for? Nothing in his eyes. It has all gone. Time to end it all.
b) Do I deserve to live? Chuck realised, deep down, what he had done. His condition, which is a genuine mental illness remember, caused so much harm to him, his career, his loved ones.
In some ways a parallel with what he accused Jimmy of. His condition brought sadness and harm to all around, including himself. Maybe his final words to Jimmy were resonated with him?
Where it gets really interesting is this: Does Gus 'appreciate' what Nacho did? Or, will Gus find it disrespectful? It would not surprise me if it is the latter.
2. I am torn on this. I think 99% of what Chuck said was real. The truth, his truth. And in some ways, he is 'right'. Jimmy is a danger to others, or at least some of his personas are. Jimmy was right also, Chuck was not innocent in all this. And while Chuck didn't acknowledge it directly, I think he did inside.
The final comments 'you never meant anything to me anyway' was heartbreaking for Jimmy. He walked away, the classic 'should' I turn around and go back'. He chose not to.
And just as Jimmy went out of sight Chuck looked up. I think, because he knows both are in the right and in the wrong. And a part of him deep inside did and still does care for his brother.
3. So why? The answer is, we will never know. Or likely never know. We can speculate atleast.
His journal/diary, when he woke up in the middle of the night, had a series of feelings at different times of the day. As he wrote something in, he did not write a feeling. He felt nothing.
So why end it all? If I really simplify it, there are two scenarios running through my head.
a) What have I got to live for? Chuck lost. He thought he beat his condition, it came back. He thought he could win back HHM, he didn't. He thought he could help his brother, he couldn't.
So what is there for Chuck to live for? Nothing in his eyes. It has all gone. Time to end it all.
b) Do I deserve to live? Chuck realised, deep down, what he had done. His condition, which is a genuine mental illness remember, caused so much harm to him, his career, his loved ones.
In some ways a parallel with what he accused Jimmy of. His condition brought sadness and harm to all around, including himself. Maybe his final words to Jimmy were resonated with him?
--
Anyway, an outstanding finale to yet another great series. It was a slow burn at the start, yet it then delivers.
The whole final few scenes were perfect and poignant, exactly what Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul is good at.
Roll on next year and Season 4.
The other ladies didn't realize Irene was even in charge of the case; and seemed to want the money right away.
I really think the entire plot line was sloppy; so we are supposed to assume they now don't want the money right away? Why? Why did none of them known Irene represented the case?
I really think the entire plot line was sloppy; so we are supposed to assume they now don't want the money right away? Why? Why did none of them known Irene represented the case?
Where was nacho born?
I don't think he needs that much money to set up shop in a strip mall.
"I don't want to hurt your feelings, but the truth is you never meant all that much to me.
We know for sure that was a lie, be it for good or ill, Jimmy has been one of the most important person in his life. Howard even tells him how much his personal vendetta against Jimmy has affected him.
I think the Howard telling him that it was "bullshit" and Jimmy showing him that his illness was all in his head or "bullshit", really pushed him to seeing how he really wasn't a victim here, he was the villain in some aspects. What he told Jimmy about hurting people and not changing was really what he felt, but during that night, he came to realize what he told Jimmy could also be applied to himself.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Fuck Chuck reddit contribution to the events of the season finale...
http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=h...=LH-QwK4v0ZI&start2=34&authorName=aphrocarlin
lmao
http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=h...=LH-QwK4v0ZI&start2=34&authorName=aphrocarlin
lmao
I'm going to miss going to that subreddit after each episode, their savagery had no limits.
I think we assume that Erin or somebody from Davis & Main will talk to Irene and the girls will be okay with following the lawyer's suggestion because they'll be convinced the increased payout will be worth it
Yeah, how did people miss this?
the answer always is: watching tv shows while playing with the phone.
LMAO
Man, people really hated Chuck, haha.
Watch him turn out to have survived in Season 4.
Kadin
Member
oooh, I totally missed that. Makes sense now, thanks.
Gus specifically didn't want Tio harmed, yet. He probably is unhappy with what Nacho did at this point. Although him ending up wheelchair bound and unable to speak might turn out to be something Gus favors; he seems to want his revenge on Tio to be long and drawn out.
Sure, that's one of many possibilities. Everything about that plot line was a huge leap of logic for me; that these actions would have the results Jimmy predicted.
Sure, that's one of many possibilities. Everything about that plot line was a huge leap of logic for me; that these actions would have the results Jimmy predicted.
Also, Ibuprofen should not be taken for people with a heart condition, hell, even sane people can have serious side effects with thaty drug related to heart conditions:
Lifejumper
Member
Is vince working on an new show? Since he stepped back this season.
Maple-Tech
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Wouldn't it make sense for HHM to settle the Sandpiper case immediately then? That would have also added more drama to the Irene subplot, he ended up isolating her for nothing.
Oh, by the way...just wanted to say Cornballer, you've done a stand-up job maintaining this thread this season, especially when it's come to keeping the discussion up to date by supplying us with lots of relevant articles and interviews and the like. I imagine it must take up a lot of energy, so thank you! You helped make this a really great thread for us to discuss the show.
Seconded. That goes for all the TV content you post about.
lol Jesus
For something talking about fire and burning, that's some ice cold shit lmao.
Hahaha
Thirded; excellent work, should be what being a moderator is all about on a forum like this..
Cornballer
Member
Yes, I was confused. It's perhaps one of the only times in the series so far that didn't make sense to me. It seemed a bit clunky for the viewer to have no context of how much Kim knew about Jimmy's scheme. If it was intentional, there was no payoff why.
There's a lot of long slow shots of things that occur. I don't necessarily mind it, but at times it seems like filler. This season has several that I can think of off the top of my head. Also the fact that they're such a long wait between seasons, for such a short amount of episodes, it feels like a lot of characters are sort of getting left behind in terms of having complete stories for one season.
I love the show, all the pieces are there, but the pace of that actually seems to hurt it a little bit to me. It's a very different vibe than BB was, which is good, but it also does make it harder to feel engaged for the length of an episode of times for me
minor effort
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It's never going to be as explosive as Breaking Bad so they shouldn't try to force those elements in there. It's a prequel, the level of danger for many of the central and side characters (Jimmy, Mike, Gus, Hector, Tuco, Don Eladio, etc) isn't there because we know they survive the course of the show.
Plus, the central arc in Breaking Bad is the protagonist going from being a high school science teacher to a drug manufacturer to violent drug kingpin. In BCS, the protagonist is going from being a slightly sleazy lawyer to a sleazy lawyer.
But that's okay. BCS still manages to be as compelling as the heights of Breaking Bad.
I like the long shots and the languid pace, especially when it comes to Mike. About the only scene this season that kind of felt like filler that went nowhere was the Air Force guy storming into Jimmy's office and lecturing him in the premier.
mambadragon
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I don't have time for a full response but want to chime in on what Chuck did... the thing to remember is that Chuck's action at the end of the episode came from mental instability/sickness. I think the montage of him tearing apart the house looking for energy sources was the directors' intent to show this.
Jimmy or Howard may be a reason/catalyst that complicates/exacerbates Chuck's mental illness, but it's ultimately the mental illness that leads to the lantern kicking.
Anywell... I just really hate the theories that Chuck sanely decided to take his life to spite Jimmy or HHM. Chuck was a broken man who made that decision. And even if suicide as an action of spite went through Chuck's (warped) brain, the determination to do that was of a person who was severely mentally ill.
My point... suicide as revenge is a juicy plot point, but the writers of BCS are smarter than to just throw that out as plot. The truth is Chuck did it when he wasn't mentally stable and a broken man and regular logic needs to be set aside in his motives.
And as a plot narrative, whatever Jimmy feels in regards to Chuck's suicide in the next season is totally valid. It's extremely difficult (especially if you were close to the deceased) to just accept it as mental illness and not further analyze it (what could I have done?).
Jimmy or Howard may be a reason/catalyst that complicates/exacerbates Chuck's mental illness, but it's ultimately the mental illness that leads to the lantern kicking.
Anywell... I just really hate the theories that Chuck sanely decided to take his life to spite Jimmy or HHM. Chuck was a broken man who made that decision. And even if suicide as an action of spite went through Chuck's (warped) brain, the determination to do that was of a person who was severely mentally ill.
My point... suicide as revenge is a juicy plot point, but the writers of BCS are smarter than to just throw that out as plot. The truth is Chuck did it when he wasn't mentally stable and a broken man and regular logic needs to be set aside in his motives.
And as a plot narrative, whatever Jimmy feels in regards to Chuck's suicide in the next season is totally valid. It's extremely difficult (especially if you were close to the deceased) to just accept it as mental illness and not further analyze it (what could I have done?).
Human Trashcan
Banned
Anyone else actually slightly bummed/worried about next season(s)? For me, the Chuck/Jimmy dynamic was the most compelling part of the show, and one of the best relationships ever written for TV. And Michael McKean was just so brilliant in the role, I'm really gonna miss him.
Lol @ Bogost with the bad takes again. This is the "videogames would be better without stories" guy, no surprises here. Finding Kim more interesting than the McGills - my dude, what. I like Kim, but she has practically no backstory. She's not nearly as fully fleshed out as Chuck and Jimmy imo.
Lol @ Bogost with the bad takes again. This is the "videogames would be better without stories" guy, no surprises here. Finding Kim more interesting than the McGills - my dude, what. I like Kim, but she has practically no backstory. She's not nearly as fully fleshed out as Chuck and Jimmy imo.
HoodWinked
Member
looking back on this season and all the events that occurred it does feel like this could serve as a series finale. and maybe they were thinking this because of how poor the ratings have been this season.
Human Trashcan
Banned
I definitely think so. That's a pretty simple surrogate father/son dynamic. There's so much more complexity in the relationship between Jimmy and Chuck imo. It's incredibly rich, to me.
IggyChooChoo
Member
I agree.
Agreed. He does a bang-up job every week. I really appreciate the effort you put in all season long Cornballer!
Huh? There were times this season when I literally couldn't sit down it was so intense/exciting/nerve-wracking. The show is a slow-burn, but the expert character arcs and careful plotting always pay off and lead to bloody intense scenes, like Chuck's breakdown in court, Nacho swapping the pills and then later the meeting between Tio and Nacho's dad, just to name a few.
It's not a show of instant gratification. There's plenty of shows out there that are.
When was the last time you guys watched Breaking Bad? I'm rewatching with my GF. By episode 3, they already have a more interesting relationship than Jimmy and Chuck.
Metalingus5150
Member
The show is seriously great
streetsahead123
Banned
The ratings have fallen a bit from season 2 but they're still decent for a cable drama and higher that Breaking Bad's season 3 ratings. Plus it's the only show on AMC still getting Emmy attention and AMC is desperately trying to maintain its perception as a prestige channel. Doesn't make any sense for them to cancel it.
That being said, AMC is notoriously bad at being a network and making sensible decisions, so...we'll see.
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