Billy Mitchell wins lawsuit against YouTuber Karl Jobst, ordered to pay the sum of $350,000 in damages

Griffon said:
So wait the lawsuit wasn't Mitchell attacking Jobst over his proven cheating, but instead was Jobst attacking Mitchell over a loose responsibility for a suicide?

Wtf... I knew Jobst was kinda full of shit but that's a weird one.
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Just learned about this 5 minutes ago. I totally did NOT see this coming. Jobst basically lied to his entire fanbase, and everyone, since the lawsuit was filed and during the trial.
 
Karl never outright said the defamation suit was brought because he said Mitchell cheated, but that was implied. Obviously the cheating was an important part of the broader context of the case, but his choice not to mention the specific basis of the defamation claim looks pretty bad now.
 
Zacfoldor said:
Is American law the same or do we have free speech?
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Youre always free to speak. And others are always free to bring you consequences.
 
nkarafo said:
Guy has 1m+ subscribers. His videos very often break 1m+ views. Plus whatever donations he receives.

Not sure how much money Youtubers make but if 50-100k subs is enough to make your channel a full job then Jobs seems like he can afford it.
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50k-100k is enough to get by.

At 1m subs im seeing you can make 10k to 30k a month, more if you have high video retention but that all depends

Karl only uploads every couple of weeks, he does a lot of ads.... but 400k is a lot of money. Its gonna come down to how extravagant a lifestyle he leads.
 
clem84 said:
Just learned about this 5 minutes ago. I totally did NOT see this coming. Jobst basically lied to his entire fanbase, and everyone, since the lawsuit was filed and during the trial.
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Thats why I was like how did he lose...every vidoe he made, contradicted anything Billy said regarding game score and cheating....all of a sudden some suicide topic? What? lol
 
Lying by omission is, in fact, still lying and his legal debts will to some extent be paid by his fans that trusted in him and were lied to. Jobst seems to be just as bad as the shitbags he made a career of busting.
 
Toons said:
50k-100k is enough to get by.

At 1m subs im seeing you can make 10k to 30k a month, more if you have high video retention but that all depends

Karl only uploads every couple of weeks, he does a lot of ads.... but 400k is a lot of money. Its gonna come down to how extravagant a lifestyle he leads.
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I don't remember specifics but he has some sort issue where he's mostly inside - hence his pale complexion. I think it's a sensitivity to sunlight in some form.

So I can't imagine he's living that extravagant a lifestyle. Unless his other half is spending a lot or he's making poor decisions with his money I don't know what it would be spent on aside from a nice home. But excellent decision making isn't how he got in this mess, so who knows.
 
Ive been following this since start since I enjoy Karls videos, but man, he really fucked up big time. He eent after man with no evidence on completely different topic. He mislead people who helped with his legal fees so hard
 
Amazes me all this drama started by Donkey Kong in some way. I look forward to Peter Dinklage playing Billy in the documentary series.

Sad events though obviously.
 
crazy, wasn't Karl the one that blew that charity scam wide open? bet that guy is laughing back so hard partying
 
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GateofD said:
crazy, wasn't Karl the one that blew that charity scam wide open? bet that guy is laughing back so hard partying
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The situations really aren't comparable at all.

The Completionist's charity was a bald faced lie where they collected money for medical research for years, claiming they were partnered with universities and other organizations, despite never donating a dime.

Whereas Jobst collected money to be used in his legal defense against Billy Mitchell's defamation suit, and used it to fund his legal defense in that lawsuit. Anyone who donated should have at least done the minimum diligence of at least watching the video in question, and would have to assume that Mitchell would take umbrage with the much graver claim of driving someone to suicide as well as the cheating allegations.

The only thing that you could call him on would be that Jobst claimed Mitchell would "most likely to lose" the case. If you assume that Jobst knew about the tape describing the reasons behind the suicide, he would be unlikely to believe that.



He may be a vulture that feeds on the misery of others, but he didn't commit fraud.

I'm sure his contemporaries are gleefully working on their Jobst exposés right now.
 
consoul said:
Karl never outright said the defamation suit was brought because he said Mitchell cheated, but that was implied. Obviously the cheating was an important part of the broader context of the case, but his choice not to mention the specific basis of the defamation claim looks pretty bad now.
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The silly thing is if he'd just come out and said 'I fucked up and said something dumb' he probably would've got almost as much backing. He torched his reputation for no reason.

Well we know why he did it, the judge outlined it pretty well in his summary. He refuses to accept he's wrong once he gets in an argument.

I don't know why his lawyer let him go to trial. I can only assume Jobst ignored his advice. It ended up costing him 300k plus legal fees.
 
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ValiantInstance said:
The silly thing is if he'd just come out and said 'I fucked up and said something dumb' he probably would've got almost as much backing. He torched his reputation for no reason.
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He probably wouldn't. Most people would go "sucks for you, go figure something out on your own".

I think his big issue was his Billy Mitchell content blew up and he needed anything to keep it going, hence the suicide stuff.
 
He's not in a place to talk about lies when he was soaking up donations for his very losable defamation case, which was not about cheating but implied via the countless videos.

 
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Jobst has been framing this in all of his videos as being sued for saying Mitchell is a cheater in video games, nothing to do with accusing him of getting someone to kill themselves.

He's pulled a right grift getting all the legal defence donations.
 
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Hero_Select said:
I might be missing some context here but why is James Rolfe being lumped into this?
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Mainly because there is a small segment of YT, and even here on Gaf at times, where people really go out of their way to tar and feather the man.

Billy and Tommy are separate from James, in that they do come off as slimy individuals. So my initial post isn't so much to link James, Billy, Tommy together, but moreso the people online who really go out of their way to try and dig up dirt, etc.

In the case of Tommy and Billy, it is warranted to an extent, not at all with James.

My main thing is, why would anyone take that up as their cause? Just seems like a really unhealthy mental fixation.
 
Success said:
Whats wrong with James Rolfe.
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Below is my earlier reply to someone who asked me the same.

fart town usa said:
Mainly because there is a small segment of YT, and even here on Gaf at times, where people really go out of their way to tar and feather the man.

Billy and Tommy are separate from James, in that they do come off as slimy individuals. So my initial post isn't so much to link James, Billy, Tommy together, but moreso the people online who really go out of their way to try and dig up dirt, etc.

In the case of Tommy and Billy, it is warranted to an extent, not at all with James.

My main thing is, why would anyone take that up as their cause? Just seems like a really unhealthy mental fixation.
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