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Black Friday 2022 |OT| Deals & Steals
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LordOfChaos
Member
Well friends I just got one for CAD $235.99 after my 109 dollar MS store credit with the sale to 300 dollars (+44 in tax), not bad not bad
Schmick
Member
Sure.... the english isnt great but its pretty obvious what the poster is trying convey.
Is it time we stop with this narrative that console sales don't matter. Link us to when Phil Spencer specifically says, consoles sales don't matter. My guess you heard a Xbox fanboy say just that when defending the decision to move 1st party games to PC. That happened years ago. Time to move on.My issue is not with the desperation but with the sour grapes. If they ended up in 3rd place again, they'll say those unit sales don't matter but their actions lie counter to their claims. They are trying desperately hard to sell these things at a huge loss and claiming it's not important to them to sell consoles.
Yeah sure they want people to subscribe to Gamepass but they need consoles in people's hands to do that. So in the end, console sales matter.
Schmick
Member
Hollowpoint5557
A Fucking Idiot
I'll be grabbing 3 more to hand out as gifts this Christmas. Bought 2 last year as well. How can you argue with that price?
yazenov
Gold Member
I'm not sure if MS said that word for word, but they must have framed it as it wasn't as important to them as Sony or Nintendo. https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/11/...nterview-xbox-project-scarlett-xcloud-e3-2019
Also, have you been to any sales threads recently? Some of your people were saying this in the sales thread
. No time to dig up old posts though.
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So basically, you lied. Even in your follow up, there’s nothing there comparing their strategy to their competition with respect to reliance on console sales.
Thanks for coming clean
Also, have you been to any sales threads recently? Some of your people were saying this in the sales thread
No need to go digging. I think we’ve already established your penchant to misremember and misconstrue stuff.
People love to para-phase others online and incorrectly and then run with those comments.
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yazenov
Gold Member
Um, no, I didn't lie. He was dismissing being trounced by Sony and Nintendo in hardware sales and saying their business model is different. But in the end, they need the hardware sales to sustain the growth of their Subscription-based business model.
The rule of thumb is, “when you’re in a hole, stop digging”
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See any mention of their competition in that quote?
Xbox is Cloud, PC and Console. Soon to include Mobile. MS considers every one of those tiers very important.
Stuart360
Member
Even if thats true, warriors saying something ona forum doesnt mean Microsoft themselves said it, and thats what seemed to be upsetting you.Also, have you been to any sales threads recently? Some of your people were saying this in the sales thread
Why would they even spend hundreds of millions of R&D on console development, and take losses on consoles sold, if they didnt care how many they sold?.
I mean it is fact that Gamepass is an important part of Xbox, and you need hardware to use Gamepass. So yeah its a silly thing to say no matter who is saying it.
Now i believe they DID say in 2014, when they stopped giving out hardware numbers, soemthing about raw console sales numbers not being as important as it used to be as there are so many services and forms of revenue on consoles these days, which is a fair point, but its still not the same as saying'console sales dont matter to us'.
Its always the same with warriors on here, if you say the same bullshit so many times, it becomes 'fact'.
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Jimmyisback
Banned
The graphics look incredible on this machine. I have both the s and x.
Lmk if you find some
yazenov
Gold Member
I read this as please don't judge us on how many consoles we sell as we were in a distant third place, but going forward, what's important is not how much hardware we sell, but how many people are subscribed to our service. Yet, they are selling these consoles at a huge loss . See? their actions don't match their words, since they need hardware sales as much as their competitors to increase their subscribers in addition to other means such as mobile and PC. but you continue to defend your leader.
I mean, he is basically dismissive of the console's sales. This quote is from 2019 so MS flip-flopping is nothing new anyways.
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
Imagine being critical of a company dropping prices on their console which is how things have historically always gone. What's next cheering a company for raising prices? What strange times we live in.
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
People who say sales don9't matter most have missed when Microsofts CEO said in two separate occasions that they were beating either their competition months in a row, or later that they were beating their previous consoles with more sales than ever before than 6the brand, which Phil Spencer repeated recently a couple days ago in an interview.
Stuart360
Member
Well people like you will read stuff a certain way as you're a warrior, its simple.
The fact is saying 'Raw console sales dont paint the full picture of success as there are so many services and revenue streams open to consoles these days', a true and fair statement, is not the same thing as saying 'Console sales dont matter to us', something that is entirely different.
I mean in recent quarters hasnt Xbox basically caught up to Nintendo revenue wise?, and thats with Switch selling like double XB1 and probably Series consoles combined. If there was ever proof of what Phil was saying in that statement, that is it.
But alas, warriors see what they want to see, then get triggered by it, even though whars triggering them hasnt actually happened.
yazenov
Gold Member
I actually think it's a smart move to make temporarily on certain occasions such as the holidays. But constantly lowering the price of your product has some risks as well such as devaluing your product, especially compared to your competition when Sony raised the price of their console, and Nintendo didn't discount their product for 6 years. You risk the perception of desperation. This is especially true when you claim that your product is sold out due to high demand and low supply.
Post in thread 'Phil Spencer: The Xbox business will become ‘untenable’ if it remains ‘irrelevant’ on mobile.' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/phil...‘irrelevant’-on-mobile.1645535/post-266966635
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
Devaluing isn't much of an issue here as long as MS is careful with S promotions, given that the X isn't being discounted at all in most places the Series is fine.
Devaluing when going wrong is what Microsoft did with the Xbox one from October through Dec 31st 2014. It wont Nov and December even in multiple countries against the PS4, but it made it so MS's return to regular price hurt them, and they waited too late to make a new price drop official and that pretty much ended the Xbox One being competitive with the PS4.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Who is constantly lowering prices? This is the first official XSS price drop in two years. There is nothing desperate about that at all. The product that is sold out a lot is the XSX but that product is more difficult to manufacture. The XSS is the mass market device designed to be regularly available and affordable.
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
Theres going to legitimately be more people with Series S out there than Series X.
And somehow this isnt holding this generation back?
What the fuck was MS thinking?
And somehow this isnt holding this generation back?
What the fuck was MS thinking?
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remember_spinal
Banned
I think there already is
MatrixReloaded101
Member
They are not thinking, they are making moves from a place of desperation which is unfortune. Can't wait until Phil is gone at Xbox.
If they don't deliver next year I am sure he will be out next year.
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
They are thinking, correctly I might add, that 'holding back the generation' is complete nonsense and an affordable console is a great way to get more customers in their ecosystem. I like a console getting cheaper more than one that gets more expensive.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
What's holding this gen back isnt Series S. It's almost every game being cross gen with PS4 and Xbox One. Two systems from 2013. Series S blows those two systems away in Vs. threads.
If first party devs arent changing, third party wont either.
dem
Member
Some of y’all are so deep into this game bullshit you can’t see the forest for the trees.
I was watching a digital foundry video the other day about Series S holding back the other consoles. The biggest argument was “but the performance wont hold up with ray tracing!”
As if anyone buying a Series S gives a flying fuck about ray tracing. Like having ray tracing turned off is some game breaking experience. Kids these days play Switch games for Christ sakes. Have you looked at a Switch game lately?
I was watching a digital foundry video the other day about Series S holding back the other consoles. The biggest argument was “but the performance wont hold up with ray tracing!”
As if anyone buying a Series S gives a flying fuck about ray tracing. Like having ray tracing turned off is some game breaking experience. Kids these days play Switch games for Christ sakes. Have you looked at a Switch game lately?
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We’ve certainly gone from “nobody wants the Series S” to “so many people will buy the Series S that it’ll outnumber the X and hold the generation back”
Ah well.
Xbox keeps delivering record gaming revenue. In the eyes of the Microsoft board, Spencer’s doing quite well.
not surprised some of you want him gone, since he’s behind some of Xbox best strategic moves in years.
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VulcanRaven
Member
I don't have Xbox Series S yet but I'm trying to buy something from the Store with my old account and for some reason I can't. It says that something went wrong try again later when I try on my PC browser. I also installed the Xbox app on my phone but it doesn't work on that either. I search games but I get some error message when I click them.
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Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
Digital Foundry are in bed with both Sony and Microsoft. They will never come out and say what they really feel, they have to pussy around certain things and beat around the bush. The fact that they’ve talked about Series S holding games back TWICE speaks volumes. We all know what they want to say.
These are the same guys who were too afraid to properly criticize Ragnarok for looking like a PS4 game so they just praised it for being polished instead.
And it’s not about simple ray tracing. It’s about larger scale battles, improved game design, higher fidelity, and you know… superior technology allowing for devs to better realize their vision. Especially artists.
Jesus, some of you think it’s still 2010 with the way you absolutely minimize the potential of this medium.
Think bigger.
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
I'm thinking of picking up Cyberpunk and Klonoa to get over that $50 Microsoft Rewards hump.
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
Xbox Series S | Xbox
Introducing Xbox Series S. Experience next-gen speed and performance at a great price.
www.xbox.com
In two years Microsoft has given the Xbox Series consoles, well one console, the first price cut of the gen.
As of now the price cut is temporary until Nov 30th according to the MS store, however if things go well at this price, especially since retailers have already been at that price, don't be surprised if MS pulls an early Xbox One and makes the price drop permanent after November 30th, or extended it for several more months at least.
However, strange as it may be there is no discount on the "All Access" installment version of the console, which I think is a missed opportunity, You would think Microsoft would have followed phone companies on holiday monthly discounts.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
This seems more like a black friday discount than an actual price cut.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
They are going to have a big Christmas sales number wise
Expecting $199 used one from Gamestop
Expecting $199 used one from Gamestop
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
It's already $249 + a $50 Target gift card on top of that at Target:
https://www.target.com/s?searchTerm...lnm=201333&afid=Narrativ&ref=tgt_adv_xasd0002
Plus another 5% off with Red Card.
Just an insane deal.
Kvally
Member
And it's a pretty nice kit at that.
Big Baller
Al Pachinko, Konami President
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Target is giving a $50 gift card with the $250 version.
These $100 discounts are crazy to me seeing as how the other next gen consoles are still out of stock. 1 despite seeing a price increase. The demand for this console simply isnt there it seems.
And none of these you list will be compromised for flagships by the Series S.
Going with the same SSD and CPU rules that out.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
this why the won that award.
No one can say they are not trying.
No one can say they are not trying.
twilo99
Member
Ok let me rephrase.. it’s still by far the best deal in terms of value, nothing comes close, and that’s without any discounts.
What I meant is that I thought they would go mega aggressive..
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I might have to jump on that for the bedroom. I already have a Series X in the living room with the 4k tv.
MatrixReloaded101
Member
Its not just about ray tracing, did you not see the performance reviews for some of the most recent games? The console can't even hit 60 FPS for some next gen games. This should have no issues with doing at least 60 FPS at 1080p like the PS5 and Series X.
But its whatever, don't want to derail the thread. Can't wait until the numbers come in after the holidays. We will see if this thing does end up selling millions this holiday!
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dem
Member
Its not just about ray tracing, did you not see the performance reviews for some of the most recent games? The console can't even hit 60 FPS for some next gens. That should have no issues with doing at least 60 FPS at 1080p like the PS5 and Series X.
But its whatever, don't want to derail the thread. Can't wait until the numbers come in after the holidays. We will see if this thing does end up selling millions this holiday!
And what recent games are those?
LordOfChaos
Member
I wasn't even really looking for one of these, but with the sale and a 109 dollar MS credit that would expire by March, I just picked one up for 236CAD/176USD all told. And then they messed up the first order and charged my card the full amount, so they fixed that and gave me free two day shipping too. Gotta be one of the best deals on primary gaming hardware around today!
