Actually I think the reverse is happening
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Actually I think the reverse is happening
Having been playing for a good bit now, even though the underlying core engine is the same the changes fundamentally change the way you place this game a lot. You have to play far more aggressively. I mean if we wanted to see a sequel to Dark Souls that doesn't reinvent the wheel, you get Dark Souls 2 - a fine game but more of the same.
Bloodborne feels different. Different enough that the name change is warranted. The world and lore are different; darker and more downtrodden than Lordran and Dranlegic. Smaller changes like the elimination of equip load, transforming weapons, guns as a method of riposte, etc. make it play more like an action game than the Souls series ever has been.
I mean I get where you're coming from, but to me Bloodborne has more changes that many sequelized franchises ever get.
OK - my comment was for McIntosh may have quoted the wrong post.
JudgmentJay
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It's going both ways I'm sure.
Possibly- I guess I just hate the thing that happens every time, where a dude is down on a certain game, and then his twitter account gets pulled, and people start taking shots at him, and its a whole thing- just because he's really down on a game.
wanderingprostheyltite
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This is kind of a frustration of mine as well, the art style for BB is so up my alley it's ridiculous, it reminds me of Beksinski paintings in places. I'd love to explore a world like that in a game, just not a Souls type one cause those games frustrate me to no end and it's just not the kind of experience I can get into. Yeah first world problems and all that, but why did it have to be THIS game that has one of the best atmospheres in a game for ages?! I really want to experience this game for the world itself, but I'm almost positive I'll throw the controller down in frustration within the first few hours just like I did with the Souls games. I don't mind the violence so much, it's the difficulty curve and impediment to exploring and appreciating the world that's the major obstacle for me. Hopefully this game inspires other devs/artists to pursue similar environment designs cause I wanna enjoy it too!
toddhunter
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It isn't an unpopular opinion. It is an opinion that many people share...about Dark Souls 2 and it was shit on quite a bit because of it.
Trying to apply that same opinion to Bloodborne is just stretching too far. It has changed things up and that seems to be why people are reacting much more positively to it.
Kind of like the changes EA make to their game series...but in reverse.
This always happens in review threads. People gotta gawk and point fingers at people because they said something that goes against some sort of personal status quo. You'd think people that were excited for a game and it ends up being good would be enough, nah, gotta shit up the thread with "lol look at this guy, what a tool" posts.
viveks86
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Pretty much. Seeing how this is starting to run for pages, I really think we should get back to the topic instead of dwelling so much on meta-commentary. He doesn't need to be attacked or defended as he isn't here to speak for himself.
BennyBlanco
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he's been going back and forth with people since the embargo lifted. just loudly whining into the abyss. check his tweets and replies tab to see even more of it. it's comedy gold and i hope he keeps it up.
BobTheFork
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If the game wasn't getting crazy scores he likely would not have bothered with the comments at all. It's also the 4th game in a very similar series - has this been a constant complaint from him?
You have to yell very loud when you are trying to out-voice that many people who disagree with you. Let him yell.
Its whatever- I just hate that we ignore the other side. He's also getting sent the most hateful, caveman bullshit.
This is one of the few game where kill or be killed actually makes sense
someone doesnt like the game
Fair point to both of you. It'd be different, I guess, were he not imploring reviewers to mention it in their reviews.
Games have always been politics- to some degree. They are reflections of their creators, and as such, they have that influence. And thats a great thing- some games lean on that more than others, but every game has a certain perspective that its putting forth.
This guy?
What an absolute idiot he is. Japan weirds you out? I mean seriously?
Yeah, definitely.
IncandescentPrecept
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someone doesnt like the game
Would he rather we run around and talk to the NPCs? Yeah, that wouldn't be boring.
SolidSnakex
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Are you new to Souls games? Because that will play a large role in how difficult it is as well as how long it is.
I keep that shit seperated in my mind and its great. I ignore all the hooplah and drama surrounding games lately. It makes it feel like its the 90's again. Too many people have opinions on things that they, quite frankly, shouldnt have an opinion on. The thing ive come to realize is that not everyone can be happy. Someone will always find a reason to be cynical..
Just gotta ignore that and play games man. If I wanted to mix drama and hooplah with video games, I would just go live my normal ass life where there is plenty of that garbage to begin with.
Yeah i've never played them before as the dificulty kind of scared me. Did they at least tone it down a little here?
Meh his opinions are misguided but relax he's just one guy with an opinion, he's not destroying anything. He's not going to stop Dark Souls 3 or Bloodborne 2 or whatever from happening in future.
Games are games. Theyre entertainment. Stop taking them so seriously.
You like the game? Play it.
Dont like it? Play anything else. Dont just spam twitter like an immature child about how bad the game is.
I swear to fucking god, people are deliberately priving themselves of the fun this medium is supposed to bring.
You like the game? Play it.
Dont like it? Play anything else. Dont just spam twitter like an immature child about how bad the game is.
I swear to fucking god, people are deliberately priving themselves of the fun this medium is supposed to bring.
This guy Stapleton is IGN reviews Editor, right? how much weight he has on what IGN reviewers can score a game?, I mean, could his total dislike on Bloodborne create some conflict and affect the end review score on the game? He seems very obsessive over his dislike of the game.
Sad thing is that he's probably not the only game journalist with that mindset.
Arkage
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This would be a problem if there weren't beautiful game worlds that you can interact with without (hardly any) combat, but there are shitloads of them now that the indie scene has opened. Ethan Carter, Grow Home, Broken Age, Dreamfall Chapters. Want scarier games? Amnesia, Outlast, P.T., Among the Sleep, Tormentum, Sunless Sea, Home.
This seems a whole lot like genre-begging (if only it were an adventure game!) hiding in a facade of violence criticism.
Karsticles
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Call of Duty is primarily a multiplayer game. It needs to justify new purchases with significant gameplay changes.
The Souls series have a signficiant amount of single player content. That is a big difference.
What do you even think Bloodborne should be changing?
Dark Souls 2 gives generic fantasy RPG fans more knights and dragons and stats and npcs and weapons and armor and more distinct areas. Bloodborne gives action horror games fan more monsters and flow and balance and better production values and less distracting changes of pace and tone. Both games are much easier to market than Dark Souls, and I'm sure they will both find larger player bases, which is sad to me since it is precisely because each game has only HALF the artistic vision of Dark Souls that they will be more successful.
I agree with this. It's DS with different skin. Not a bad thing now but this formula will get milked sooner or later.
Going all in now, even bringing gender into this.
Cupcakes and hugs/etc. are just what people think of as the extreme end of the spectrum away from violence, nothing to do with being a male.
Alright yeah I was Ok with the guy upset with the game but he honestly sounds a little bit unstable at this point. If he worked for a major company like ESPN or NBC or something he would probably be suspended for a couple weeks for this tirade.
What an annoying brat. This guy is supposed to be a journalist?Going all in now, even bringing gender into this.
Cupcakes and hugs/etc. are just what people think of as the extreme end of the spectrum away from violence, nothing to do with being a male.
Not sure if anyone posted the arstechnica review
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Doctor_Thomas
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Going all in now, even bringing gender into this.
Cupcakes and hugs/etc. are just what people think of as the extreme end of the spectrum away from violence, nothing to do with being a male.
Not sure if anyone posted the arstechnica review
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I enjoy tea, cupcakes and hugs, but I also don't mind violence in video games because it's not real.
Why even bring up gender?
Going all in now, even bringing gender into this.
Cupcakes and hugs/etc. are just what people think of as the extreme end of the spectrum away from violence, nothing to do with being a male.
Not sure if anyone posted the arstechnica review
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I feel so conflicted being an unethical corrupt SJW faminazi, but he is a total berk and his stupid extremist views just feed shitgate.
Karspankey
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This is the highest rated next-gen only game now, right? Anyways, excited to get this Friday! Never beat a "souls" game, but the combat in this seems more to my liking.
Going all in now, even bringing gender into this.
Cupcakes and hugs/etc. are just what people think of as the extreme end of the spectrum away from violence, nothing to do with being a male.
Ha Ha Seriously these people think too seriously of themselves. They think they are important social activists providing insightful social commentary on videogames and the industry. My head hurts reading this stupidity.
Birgitte2004
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So, why aren't you curious as to why Dark Souls has such a high metacritic considering it "feels the same" as Demon's Souls and "very little has(d) changed"?
SolidSnakex
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It doesn't seem like it's toned down. I'd say the best thing for you to do if you jump in is to head to the OT because Souls fans are generally really helpful with giving pointers about what to do. Patience is really going to be the key if you decide to play it. Just know that you aren't the only one dying a lot. That's everyone that plays it.
autoduelist
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Please let my monster/demon killing sims be about monster/demon killing. That's it. Spend some time creating a nice world for me to do it in, but only because I want to kill more demons in said nicely crafted world. I will buy other games to satiate my other, non-demon killing desires.
And keep my waves of thuggies in Uncharted while we're at it. I'm here to shoot things, dammit. If Drake only killed a couple baddies per game there would be no point in building a robust combat system, or evolving new combat mechanics, or building in stealth options, or weapon variety... and if they are going to spend all that time perfecting those systems, then yes, obviously, we're gonna kill us dozens and dozens of thugs. Game design 101. Drake isn't psychotic. The only thing that would be psychotic would be developers spending all that time and energy designing a tps and climbable/destructible maps and then only using it to kill a small handful of baddies.
Developers have a finite amount of time and resources to design and build a game. They will necessarily focus on certain primary/secondary mechanics, and most of the game will then be built upon those mechanics. Most of us will be very thankful for this, because it's far better for them to spend the resources perfecting the key mechanics than having every game be some sort of life sim trying to do everything, but doing nothing particularly well. If killing things in games isn't your thing, there are plenty of other games in existence which have no death toll. Nobody is complaining Bejeweled doesn't have a death count... and if you do want a match three with rpg kills? There's another game for you, too.
And keep my waves of thuggies in Uncharted while we're at it. I'm here to shoot things, dammit. If Drake only killed a couple baddies per game there would be no point in building a robust combat system, or evolving new combat mechanics, or building in stealth options, or weapon variety... and if they are going to spend all that time perfecting those systems, then yes, obviously, we're gonna kill us dozens and dozens of thugs. Game design 101. Drake isn't psychotic. The only thing that would be psychotic would be developers spending all that time and energy designing a tps and climbable/destructible maps and then only using it to kill a small handful of baddies.
Developers have a finite amount of time and resources to design and build a game. They will necessarily focus on certain primary/secondary mechanics, and most of the game will then be built upon those mechanics. Most of us will be very thankful for this, because it's far better for them to spend the resources perfecting the key mechanics than having every game be some sort of life sim trying to do everything, but doing nothing particularly well. If killing things in games isn't your thing, there are plenty of other games in existence which have no death toll. Nobody is complaining Bejeweled doesn't have a death count... and if you do want a match three with rpg kills? There's another game for you, too.
That's nonsense, games(and films) are art, and art has always been "political." Art is a reflection and interpretation of life, the ability to create it is one of the greatest achievements man has ever done and instead of pretending that enjoying and critiquing said art destroys it, maybe you should make a good counter argument (hell technically I'm on your side, I don't thin bb should be critics for its violence but at least I'm arguing my point not just whining about the debate itself).
lukeskymac
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not_so_special
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its a console exclusive game..he is a very pc centric gamer..wadda u expect?
He probably could but in the end the IGN scale (where 8.9 is great and 9.0 is amazing) will be lost in translation across the Metacritic absorption.
You can voice your opinion without trolling and being shitposty in general. He's not doing it, so "he's a critic, this is valid criticism" doesn't really apply when you're arguing in bad faith to begin with.
eot
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Would it have been better if he'd put a smiley after he said that?
Don't take everything so freaking seriously.
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