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Bloodborne Reviews Thread

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Primethius

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IGN's review in progress quite clearly states that they were only about half way through (they believe) when the embargo went up. No need to rush the review.
 
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arevin01

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Dan is the type of player I see many ppl who are first time Souls players are experiencing. Though the difficulty is unrelenting, but if you want tight combat in a 3rd person adventure, there is little competition.
 
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SolidSnakex

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CarbonFire said:
No one should really care what Polygon thinks about this game.
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That might be the case because if they did care they'd know that the guy reviewing it (McWhertor) is in love with it, so there's no real reason to think that it's going to get a low score

Bloodborne has already won me over with its distinct look, its expert design and its focus on the core combat that I loved so much in previous Souls games. It also goes in directions I never expected. I can't wait to play more.
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bananafactory

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gioGAF said:
What is wrong with Dan Stapleton? Why is he writing articles about a game he doesn't like? Why does he feel the need to justify the fact that he doesn't like the game? Normally I would say to each their own, but I find Dan's behavior incredibly annoying. I don't like Madden football games, but I don't feel the need to keep commenting on how much I think that game sucks.

After reading his "opinion" piece, it is clear that he is bad at the game and clearly doesn't get how to progress through the game. There is no tedium unless you put it there. When I got wrecked by the first boss, I just ran there on subsequent tries without fighting anyone along the way. It is super easy to get back to where you were. You only grind fights if you want to for the most part.

Bloodborne is phenomenal on so many levels, I hate to keep running into opinion pieces and propaganda from a person who doesn't like the game (which is fine), that doesn't change the fact that Dan Stapleton is profoundly ignorant about the game. He should gtfo, go talk about something you like.
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I don't agree with anything Dan said in his article but it's good that we are getting alternative viewpoints, even if most of the staff from the site like the game.

I will say that despite the fact I don't think the game has the problems he does, if a new player like himself is struggling that much with figuring out how to play the game and not knowing about things like shortcuts, that's certainly a valid criticism, even if it's a subjective one. Some people appreciate the obtuse nature and lack of handholding from the series and others do not.
 
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Wagram

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arevin01 said:
Dan is the type of player I see many ppl who are first time Souls players are experiencing. Though the difficulty is unrelenting, but if you want tight combat in a 3rd person adventure, there is little competition.
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I strongly disagree with his assessment that these types of games should be more transparent with helping the player start. Part of the fun for me is the unknown and figuring stuff out for myself. Somewhere along the line we stumbled into a "show them everything and let them have a checkpoint every 10 minutes" mindset. Is this wrong? I don't think so but it doesn't have to be the only way. I'm glad FROM is taking a different route.
 
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arevin01 said:
Dan is the type of player I see many ppl who are first time Souls players are experiencing. Though the difficulty is unrelenting, but if you want tight combat in a 3rd person adventure, there is little competition.
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I am such a "Souls" virgin, though I did have clear warning of what I was getting into as my brother is a hardcore fan of the series.

I am goddamn loving it. Until I played this game, I had no idea how much I missed this level of difficulty in games. It has been straight kicking my ass (Cleric Beast took me only 4 tries, but Father Asshole took me almost 20 attempts) but the rush you get from downing a boss is comparable only to when my guild would down a tough boss back in my WoW days.

Now there are some areas where I feel the game is strict just to be a jerk to you, not for real challenge. The inability to pause for instance seems lame. Although maybe there is some reason for this I am not thinking of.
 
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superseohyun

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bananafactory said:
I don't agree with anything Dan said in his article but it's good that we are getting alternative viewpoints, even if most of the staff from the site like the game.

I will say that despite the fact I don't think the game has the problems he does, if a new player like himself is struggling that much with figuring out how to play the game and not knowing about things like shortcuts, that's certainly a valid criticism, even if it's a subjective one. Some people appreciate the obtuse nature and lack of handholding from the series and others do not.
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imagine when you come near a locked gate, a window pops out: " tutorial: shortcuts. Do you know that you can open the gate later, so it serves as a shortcut? press start to continue ' ;p i would probably puke.
 
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Schryver

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Orayn said:
Why are you taking umbrage with a site taking their time when reviewing a very long, content-rich game?

Would it not also be bad to rush out a review without spending the proper amount of time?
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lol I'm joking. I suppose it depends what day they got their review copy but at this point it seems like they have had enough time. Unless the person reviewing it is really bad at the game or something like that
 
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Texar

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arevin01 said:
Dan is the type of player I see many ppl who are first time Souls players are experiencing. Though the difficulty is unrelenting, but if you want tight combat in a 3rd person adventure, there is little competition.
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At least there calling him out in the comments. I'm terrible at league of legends..brb while I write an article on how its a bad game.
 
meanspartan

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Damn, Dan's article I disagree with but it's fine for him to post it I guess. But then I saw his twitter.....goddamn what is his vendetta against this game? He seems straight up angry that people are enjoying it.

And also 12 hours to down the first boss, really?! I am totally new to the series and I still got him in under four. He's right, not the series for him I guess. Maybe he should try The Order instead :p
 
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C-DubSP

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eot said:
He had an opinion he wanted to express, what's wrong with that? Who gave you the idea that you can only write about things you like?
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Because its not about giving his opinon, his job is to inform gamers about the game, what does right, what does wrong not just from his perspective and personal gaming tastes, but from the long list of good and bad games that has ever been reviewed. How does this game stack up to similar games of its kind, what has been improved, what has not been improved, and so on.

That is the problem with the gaming media today, they spend so much time on how the game exprience is to them they forget they are not writting this review for them but for thousands and potentially millions of viewers. That is why a games length today trumps technical issues like does the game run smooth, are there texture pop in and tears, audio problems that kind of thing. Just tell people if the game is good or not, because most people are going to have their ups and downs with the best of and worst of games, and with 4 days with it, tweeting and writting articles about that isn't informative, its just what normal people do.
 
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Orayn

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C-DubSP said:
Just tell people if the game is good or not
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You can't tell people if the game is good or not without giving your opinion. "This game is good" and "this game is bad" are always, always opinions.

The rest of the stuff you mentioned (performance, bugs, etc.) can be discussed objectively and any good review will already cover them.
 
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bananafactory

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superseohyun said:
imagine when you come near a locked gate, a window pops out: " tutorial: shortcuts. Do you know that you can open the gate later, so it serves as a shortcut? press start to continue ' ;p i would probably puke.
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Me too but I'm not going to say people who like that stuff are wrong. It just means the game isn't for them. There's plenty of other games that offer that type of experience
 
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Jomjom

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Wow just briefly going through Dan's recent twitter history, I can't help but be reminded of the Chris Cooper character in American Beauty.

I mean it's totally cool that he dislikes, no absolutely despises the game, but I mean he really is trying to jam his feelings about the game down the throats of all of his followers.
 
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C-DubSP

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Orayn said:
You can't tell people if the game is good or not without giving your opinion. "This game is good" and "this game is bad" are always, always opinions.

The rest of the stuff you mentioned (performance, bugs, etc.) can be discussed objectively and any good review will already cover them.
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True but it seems now more than ever game reviewer tend lean more towards personal opinion over performance and technical issues, when there should be a balance of all them. We have become accustomed to see all of such factors added in when you look at an issue of Game Informer today or old Gamepro mags and see Sound, Graphics, Fun Factor, etc. If game reviewers are going to put more of an emphasis on their own personal experience with a game, they need to note as such, and let the reader/viewers know their own experience could be totally different.
 
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Aeana

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I thought I told you guys to stop bringing up tweets in this thread. Do I really have to babysit you?
Articles that aren't reviews also do not belong here.
 
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3rdamention

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Schryver said:
No Polygon yet either? They must be debating about how low they can reasonably go
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Early impressions from the reviewer at Polygon sounded like he was loving it, he even used the word "incredible.". Polygon isn't going to shit on this game, well, unless Gies and crew decide to when they sit down as a group to assign the actual score....


IGN is going to rip it all up and down... IGN Spain and IGN Italy loved the game, but if Stapleton is anything to go by, IGN US will be the lowest Bloodborne score on Metacritic, just watch....
 
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newjeruse

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CarbonFire said:
Jeff doesn't particularly like those games, so it would seem they aren't a big priority for the site to cover (beyond the requisite quick look).
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They have three people playing the game right now on their own. I'm sure someone will review it. If not, they'll talk about it on the Bombcast which will do more for the game than any review.
 
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Vice

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C-DubSP said:
True but it seems now more than ever game reviewer tend lean more towards personal opinion over performance and technical issues, when there should be a balance of all them. We have become accustomed to see all of such factors added in when you look at an issue of Game Informer today or old Gamepro mags and see Sound, Graphics, Fun Factor, etc. If game reviewers are going to put more of an emphasis on their own personal experience with a game, they need to note as such, and let the reader/viewers know their own experience could be totally different.
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Thats always been the case for reviews though. Technical competence doesn't make a good piece of entertainment. Legible font won't make a bad book good, good special effects won't make a turd movie good and having functional sound and graphics won't outway the good or bad of a game.
 
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Zombie James said:
This Dan Stapleton guy is quite the character. He had a bad experience, ok, but to go on a three-day (and counting) rage binge like this is beyond unprofessional.
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last paragraph:

If that makes me – a guy who’s spent the past 25 years playing countless hours of hardcore games – a “filthy casual,” then I guess I’m a filthy casual. I expect there are a lot of people out there like me, and it’s my hope that my experience will serve as another perspective to supplement – not contradict or question – the rave reviews Bloodborne is currently enjoying from all quarters. Even the most enthusiastic of them point out that this kind of game isn’t for everyone, and I’m an example of who they’re not for, and why...
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why so serious? :) ...

my take: he knows that lots of people genuinely enjoy the souls games, & it seriously frustrates him that he simply doesn't. & he's almost desperately looking for someone to kinda give'm a hug & tell'm 'hey, it's okay - i don't 'get' the whole souls thing, either.'...

there's a type of person who just hates feeling 'left out'. & stapleton, to me, seems like one of them. he could've written an almost identical piece on demon's souls 6 years ago. he's not saying anything about the series that anyone who's familiar with it doesn't already know. it obviously just plain bugs him knowing that someone else, somewhere, is having a real good time...

so please: someone find dan something else to play. something he'll enjoy :) ...
 
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LiK

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CarbonFire said:
Jeff doesn't particularly like those games, so it would seem they aren't a big priority for the site to cover (beyond the requisite quick look).
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they'll definitely talk about it on the Bombcast which is by far the most popular part of their site so no review is no biggie. just one less review score for MC.
 
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Jomjom

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What the heck is BioGamerGirl doing? The last post was a preview for a game called "Mayan Death Robots". Where is that review for Bloodborne?!?!
 
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antitrop

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Hypoallergenic Chie said:
I'm just waiting on the angry joe review.
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Based on his trial run of The Evil Within last year, he'll probably get frustrated and give up after like an hour. He's not very good at games, but I still like his reviews.

He seems to go into games with a lot of confidence, like he knows exactly how to play the game before it even starts, then gets upset when it doesn't go his way. He has very little patience.
 
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Ishan

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eot said:
He had an opinion he wanted to express, what's wrong with that? Who gave you the idea that you can only write about things you like?
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Zombie James said:
This Dan Stapleton guy is quite the character. He had a bad experience, ok, but to go on a three-day (and counting) rage binge like this is beyond unprofessional.
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bananafactory said:
I don't agree with anything Dan said in his article but it's good that we are getting alternative viewpoints, even if most of the staff from the site like the game.

I will say that despite the fact I don't think the game has the problems he does, if a new player like himself is struggling that much with figuring out how to play the game and not knowing about things like shortcuts, that's certainly a valid criticism, even if it's a subjective one. Some people appreciate the obtuse nature and lack of handholding from the series and others do not.
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I dont really have a problem with his article except the part where he decides to take offsense to blood echoes ... renames them bloodbux or something wtff was that :S. And is coming from someone who will probably never pick up bloodborne havent played ds or des inspite of hearing many good things about it ( I just like my games easy , uc type story heavy , mass effect on easy etc) . I know bloodborne isnt for me and will probably have similar concerns with it. If i do write a piece about it i wont take issue with how something is named ...

Hypoallergenic Chie said:
I'm just waiting on the angry joe review.
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heard he was doing badly and finding it difficult. The other streamer on his show was stuck on one of the first hard bosses for a while (the one everyone seems to consider the first "real" challenge(
 
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Curufinwe

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Stapleton didn't even use game pads regularly till a few years ago. He was a PC only gamer with a genuine distaste for consoles on the old PC Gamer podcasts.
 
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