Byakuya769
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The Sasuke and Sarada meeting is even funnier animated. What a douche.
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Boruto |OT| Naruto Next Generations
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Icyflamez96
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Boruto is a great kid otherwise, people let his issues with his dad get in the way of acknowledging this.
Oh, that was confirmed? Totally missed that, but I assumed as much.
Byakuya769
Member
And... he's a KID! Naruto was super dad before becoming the Seventh, now he's coming home late all the time and sending in shadow clones. Peaceful times have allowed the Konoha kids to have kid problems and not the crazy issues Sasuke, Naruto and Neiji grew up with.
Mr_Antimatter
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The thing is the keikengenkai stuff. Boruto and Himewari have a full blooded Hyuga mom, yet neither really has the eyes. One activated it once, the other only in one eye, sorta? So is it not guaranteed to inherit or something? Sarada seemed to inherit it fine, as did all the others we know of.
Likewise, you have the semi bloodline stuff. Garra and his dad have similar powers, but none of his siblings have it. Naruto got none of his moms, and seemingly his dad had nothing to pass on. He doesn't even seem to know his dad's other signature jutsu, despite several others in the village knowing who could have taught him.
It's painfully obvious the author never actually planned any of this out.
TheRealTalker
Banned
In the recent episode Konohamaru said to Sarada that her eyes can copy anything that isn't genetic based and/or advanced.
So it extends beyond just KKG. Mitsuki later tells Boruto that his wind attack is hopefully advanced enough not to copy.
I believe even Kishi said in that interview a few pages back that he scaled own the copy ability since the Zabuza arc since it was too OP.
So it extends beyond just KKG. Mitsuki later tells Boruto that his wind attack is hopefully advanced enough not to copy.
I believe even Kishi said in that interview a few pages back that he scaled own the copy ability since the Zabuza arc since it was too OP.
This episode reminded me how lame all the 7 swords turned out to be.
And only Shamada and Zabuzas were cool.
I wonder If Bee still has Shamada, or if he returned in during peace time, or if they just made him an honorary member because he was far better then any of the other losers.
And only Shamada and Zabuzas were cool.
I wonder If Bee still has Shamada, or if he returned in during peace time, or if they just made him an honorary member because he was far better then any of the other losers.
TheRealTalker
Banned
Those Jounin dudes that guard the gate
Except they have to do it with three guys instead of individually
Rumblebones
Banned
Surely their parents would have spent a lot of time together and therefore pushed them to be friends.
Even if they weren't friends and liked each other the fact they barely know each other bugs me. It seems so unnecessary to have them start at basically square 1 when you'd think they'd have spent a significant time together since childhood, whether that's what they wanted themselves or not.
AlexFlame116
Member
After watching some clips I'm really enjoying this series.
Maybe it's time to sit down and completely watch all of them.
Maybe it's time to sit down and completely watch all of them.
TheRealTalker
Banned
When Sarada was bragging about her dojutsu and her 1upping Boruto by surprising him with it when she learns to master it
As if she doesn't know his mother is a main branch member of the oldest dojutsu in Konoha
Iva Demilcol
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And he gave us the Mangekyou Sharingan to replace it...
Regarding Boruto and Himawari I'd say both of them are half Hyuga... which is kind of the point of Hiashi's plan.
Himawari got traditional Hyuga eyes while Boruto gets a new power from the mixture of his Hyuga and Uzumaki's bloodline.
If Hinata had married a Hyuga her kids would've have more probabilities to inherit the potential to unlock the byakugan. Kishimoto also kind of backpedaled on the byakugan saying all kids need special training in order to unlock it first and that not all Hyuga had the potential. Let's not forget that Obito was a black sheep too because he was like 13 and didn't have the sharingan, and if we trace back to the early chapters of Naruto, Haku's mom had the hope that Haku didn't manifest his keikengenkai; and Kimimaro's keikengenkai was so powerful his own clan imprisoned him like an animal.
I do agree they have to explain things better though.
TheRealTalker
Banned
The whole genetic thing is confusing
This is what you get from a weekly Shonen and its pseudo science that isn't Toriko
This is what you get from a weekly Shonen and its pseudo science that isn't Toriko
I forget the exact line but I swear early on in the show they did say they knew each other when they were younger. I think they just drifted into different friend groups.
This is what you are talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dRUw7Z0Lds
Sarada plays it off, but later in the episode she's considered about Boruto when he's fighting Iwabe.
So it just seems life they drifted apart when they got a little bit older.
Icyflamez96
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I heard it was because it was too overwhelming to deal with in a writing sense, not simply because it was OP.
I dunno I feel like they act familiar enough with each other for me. Not complete strangers.
Ah yeah ok. Thanks.
And yeah I think that's totally reasonable. As little kids they probably had totally different interests. You can see how Boruto gets along great with Shikadai and Inojin. Sarada was probably a bookworm and kept to herself lol
Okay episode. Some decent character building in this, although a lot of the reveals were more dramatic than needed because of how obvious they were.
Kagura was related to Yagura after all, which is good. If this was Shippuden he'd just been some random Mist nin that happened to look like him. Besides just justifying his design, it's a solid bit of world and character building, since he's clearly feeling guilty about the connection. Although it was never cleared up whether or not Obito was to blame for the whole Bloody Mist stuff that he died before the story began. Also, Kagura probably being Yagura's son just makes me sad that he died before the story began. That he died at all, tbh.
Speaking of world-building though, I didn't like the part where they gave Chojuro credit for ending the Bloody Mist era, since that was already over when Mei was Mizukage. I also didn't like the concept of the Swordsmen being the closest to becoming Mizukage. It would mean that some or every Mizukage from 2nd to 5th were former Swordsmen when previously, as far as we knew, Chojuro was the only one turned Mizukage. It feels forced and lazy. The Mist Swordsmen were more interesting as just this random group of elite Jounin with unique swords rather than a tradition of sorts.
Kagura was related to Yagura after all, which is good. If this was Shippuden he'd just been some random Mist nin that happened to look like him. Besides just justifying his design, it's a solid bit of world and character building, since he's clearly feeling guilty about the connection. Although it was never cleared up whether or not Obito was to blame for the whole Bloody Mist stuff that he died before the story began. Also, Kagura probably being Yagura's son just makes me sad that he died before the story began. That he died at all, tbh.
Speaking of world-building though, I didn't like the part where they gave Chojuro credit for ending the Bloody Mist era, since that was already over when Mei was Mizukage. I also didn't like the concept of the Swordsmen being the closest to becoming Mizukage. It would mean that some or every Mizukage from 2nd to 5th were former Swordsmen when previously, as far as we knew, Chojuro was the only one turned Mizukage. It feels forced and lazy. The Mist Swordsmen were more interesting as just this random group of elite Jounin with unique swords rather than a tradition of sorts.
Sasuke is Gin levels of fatherhood.
I didnt feel forced and lazy too me. Most of the Swordsmen were the strongest of the strong. And the strongest become Hokage. They said exactly that.
Please no
On the bright side, it wouldn't be anywhere near as toxic as her mother's relationship I guess
That's the masterplan to combine all great bloodlines.
It felt forced because of the way it was presented. It made it seem like the Mizukage is selected from the Mist Swordsmen. You become a Mist Swordsman, you're one of the candidates to becoming Mizukage. When so far Chojuro is the only one we know of.
-Pyromaniac-
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I know it seems super played out if Sarada did develop stronger feelings for Boruto but I don't think it'd be the worst thing. The relationship between them now is very different from how Sakura behaved toward Naruto early on...at least I think so.
I also wouldn't mind them to develop a really powerful bond with one another but never really act on it. A bit of an unspoken forbidden thang. Is it weird to talk about this when they're still kids? I don't give AF. Also we must see what these insane genes can develop. Orochimaru will probably get front row seats to the baby delivery because not even he could concoct something that crazy.
I also wouldn't mind them to develop a really powerful bond with one another but never really act on it. A bit of an unspoken forbidden thang. Is it weird to talk about this when they're still kids? I don't give AF. Also we must see what these insane genes can develop. Orochimaru will probably get front row seats to the baby delivery because not even he could concoct something that crazy.
TheRealTalker
Banned
so far 0 punches out of no where so all is good
Rumblebones
Banned
Just to chime in on the whole Sharingan copying jutsu thing... Kishi has retconned a lot but he hasn't retconned classification of jutsu: those being jutsu, hidenjutsu/secret techniques, kinjutsu/forbidden techniques and kekkei genkai/bloodline limit.
The Sharingan can copy "generic" jutsu that are performed with hand seals because it can see the way chakra is manipulated and the Sharingan user can simply copy the technique.
Hidenjutsu are secret techniques passed down through clans that don't rely on conventional means of execution, often only using one hand seals like the Nara Shadow Bind, the Akamichi clan Multi-Size, or the Yamanaka clan Mind Body Switch (which uses a technique specific hand seal not seen anywhere else). These techniques are specific to clans and individuals and the Sharingan can't copy these just by look alone.
Kinjutsu are simply forbidden because they're too dangerous, either to the user or those around him. Some of these can be copied, like the Kage Bunshin, and some of these presumably can't since not all of them require hand seals.
Kekkeigenkai are abilities locked solely behind blood lineage like Haku's Ice Release. Though in the movies pre-existing ice and snow can be used for the basis of ice jutsu, the ability to meld wind and water chakra to create it from nothing is not something that can be copied.
There other exceptions like jutsu that may not be secret, forbidden, or locked behind bloodlines like the Rasengan, which are just pure forms of chakra manipulation and thus too difficult to copy. There's also Senjutsu/Sage Techniques that we've seen anyone attempt to copy: my guess is that the techniques can be copied but without the ability to use senjutsu that'd be wholly pointless.
All in all, I think Kishi did an OK job making distinctions in how jutsu are classified. He just did a shitty job with revealing in the involvement Yin (Nara clan techniques) and Yang (Akimichi clan, Konan) elements until the end of the manga although I'd called it for years, but that's a different topic of discussion.
The "oldest doujutsu" thing was never confirmed to be an accurate translation was it? If it was, that's just another thing Kishi retconned since we now know the Uchiha literally founded Konoha with the Senju, thus making them the oldest doujutsu in the village.
They're familiar but not as much as I would have expected given the close ties of their parents. If they drifted into different groups as friends, what drove that? It would have been interesting if they maybe got into a fight as kids, or simply disliked each other from the jump for some reason - whatever. Now, early on in the story, would be the right thing time to go over that, rather than the inevitable flashbacks way down the line of the early childhood events we only learn about hundreds of episodes into the story or in a goddamn movie like The Last.
The Sharingan can copy "generic" jutsu that are performed with hand seals because it can see the way chakra is manipulated and the Sharingan user can simply copy the technique.
Hidenjutsu are secret techniques passed down through clans that don't rely on conventional means of execution, often only using one hand seals like the Nara Shadow Bind, the Akamichi clan Multi-Size, or the Yamanaka clan Mind Body Switch (which uses a technique specific hand seal not seen anywhere else). These techniques are specific to clans and individuals and the Sharingan can't copy these just by look alone.
Kinjutsu are simply forbidden because they're too dangerous, either to the user or those around him. Some of these can be copied, like the Kage Bunshin, and some of these presumably can't since not all of them require hand seals.
Kekkeigenkai are abilities locked solely behind blood lineage like Haku's Ice Release. Though in the movies pre-existing ice and snow can be used for the basis of ice jutsu, the ability to meld wind and water chakra to create it from nothing is not something that can be copied.
There other exceptions like jutsu that may not be secret, forbidden, or locked behind bloodlines like the Rasengan, which are just pure forms of chakra manipulation and thus too difficult to copy. There's also Senjutsu/Sage Techniques that we've seen anyone attempt to copy: my guess is that the techniques can be copied but without the ability to use senjutsu that'd be wholly pointless.
All in all, I think Kishi did an OK job making distinctions in how jutsu are classified. He just did a shitty job with revealing in the involvement Yin (Nara clan techniques) and Yang (Akimichi clan, Konan) elements until the end of the manga although I'd called it for years, but that's a different topic of discussion.
The "oldest doujutsu" thing was never confirmed to be an accurate translation was it? If it was, that's just another thing Kishi retconned since we now know the Uchiha literally founded Konoha with the Senju, thus making them the oldest doujutsu in the village.
They're familiar but not as much as I would have expected given the close ties of their parents. If they drifted into different groups as friends, what drove that? It would have been interesting if they maybe got into a fight as kids, or simply disliked each other from the jump for some reason - whatever. Now, early on in the story, would be the right thing time to go over that, rather than the inevitable flashbacks way down the line of the early childhood events we only learn about hundreds of episodes into the story or in a goddamn movie like The Last.
Just realized there was no female equivalent of Sasuke, no super hot/popular girl that all the guys fawned over.
Yeah I just figured it was this as well. We see Boruto pal-ing around with his bros and Sarada considers them troublemakers. They'll become closer once they have to work together as a team.
TheRealTalker
Banned
I checked out the Viz translation right now and Kakashi says
so in a sense it is the oldest doujutsu... the Hyuga isn't Konoha's oldest founding clan though.
also know that the byakugan is from Kaguya which is part of the Otsutski clan who are born with the dojutsu. The Sharringan is a genetic mutation passed down from Kaguya's RinneSharringan which she got form eating the chakra fruit/tree.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Not watching this trash series but came to inform as a response to a post a while back that talked about Boruto animation vs Naruto animation.
Naruto had a lot of sakuga from some of the best animators in the industry. Nearly all of them have left since Naruto ended, including the director. There is only one notable animator working on Boruto (well two, but Yamashita is now director and seems less involved).
With respect to the recent Sakura fight:
This part was done by Naoki Kobayashi (Kakashi vs Obito, Sasuke vs Kinshiki) as his farewell piece to the series. I think he chose Sakura to be his send off as he seems to be a fan of her:
Gaiden anime adaptation missed out and changed quite a bit compared to the manga, but I'm glad Sakura got this amazing animation, alongside her scene as a young mother. She deserves it after all SP has put her through.
That masterplan was done long ago: Uchiha.
The Uchiha is the greatest bloodline in existence. Any other bloodline coming into play would only be a downgrade from what two sharingans can do. Well, unless you want to get the Otsutsuki clan involved.
And no, Indra and Asura chakra which lead to sage of six paths power is not a bloodline.
Naruto had a lot of sakuga from some of the best animators in the industry. Nearly all of them have left since Naruto ended, including the director. There is only one notable animator working on Boruto (well two, but Yamashita is now director and seems less involved).
With respect to the recent Sakura fight:
This part was done by Naoki Kobayashi (Kakashi vs Obito, Sasuke vs Kinshiki) as his farewell piece to the series. I think he chose Sakura to be his send off as he seems to be a fan of her:
Gaiden anime adaptation missed out and changed quite a bit compared to the manga, but I'm glad Sakura got this amazing animation, alongside her scene as a young mother. She deserves it after all SP has put her through.
That masterplan was done long ago: Uchiha.
The Uchiha is the greatest bloodline in existence. Any other bloodline coming into play would only be a downgrade from what two sharingans can do. Well, unless you want to get the Otsutsuki clan involved.
And no, Indra and Asura chakra which lead to sage of six paths power is not a bloodline.
Will keep this in mind, thank you for the information.
So... what's the source for this?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
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Screwed up how? There's nothing saying she couldn't use them before either.
The Uzumaki don't have a bloodline, yet you still have Karin using the chakra chains. Either she researched her lineage and taught herself the chakra chains, or her mother taught it to her. At any rate it was never established that she could use them. She just did when it was convenient.
A highly specialized technique like that warrants a proper explanation for how she came to learn it. And since we haven't gotten one, it leads to the assumption that the Uzumaki have a bloodline. Except we know they don't. Hence the screw-up.
What about if it's a clan specialty?
Apparently villain guy Shizuma is from the same clan as Kisame.
Then she'd have to be taught it. And it would still have to be established, like the clan techniques of Chouji, Ino, and Shikamaru.
Then she'd have to be taught it. And it would still have to be established, like the clan techniques of Chouji, Ino, and Shikamaru.
We already know it's not a bloodline ability, because it's listed in the databook as an A-Rank sealing jutsu and a clan specialty one like Shikamaru's. And you just offered two potential completely plausible explanations that don't contradict anything established in the series, so I don't see what the issue is.
Edit: Re-reading the page, Orochimaru does make a comment implying this is her first time using them (or his first time seeing her use them), so either she taught it to herself without his knowing, or "awakened" it which I think is dumber, but it has been seen before with "regular" jutsu, like when Sarada used Sakura's punch unconsciously
I never accept speculation in lieu of an official explanation either in-canon or through word of God. The issue is it should have been established, and it wasn't. My point never was that it was a bloodline. But that the lack of a set-up for why she can do it, as her having been taught or learned it it was never shown, seemingly leads to the conclusion that it's a bloodline. Like you said, there was nothing saying she couldn't use it. Similarly, there's nothing in the manga that suggests it's not a bloodline. And her using it out of the blue makes it look like one. But we know it's not a bloodline. At the same time, the manga never offered any other explanations or properly set anything up. There-in lies the screw-up.
I see what you're saying. I guess we just disagree on whether or not it warrants an explanation. Personally it didn't bug me.
(Making Karin an Uzumaki in the first place though, I thought was a weird choice. lol)