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Breaking: Israel launches Operation Protective Edge against Hamas in Gaza
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Lol what?
I find it hilarious the article you mention uses words such as Appears. It's as if the journalist is assuming the JDF started this.
Very poor form and only makes a bad station even worse.
Edit. It throws into question the integrity of what was happening.
So Hamas are scumbags according to you then, yes?
Nah, they're more a bunch of dickwads.
Terrorism and illegal activities by Jewish Defence League
Oh someone's embarrassing themselves alright.
I wasn't specifically talking about the JDL, but the implied view that the pro-Palestinian protesters were not attempting to attack Synagogues.
I don't in any way think the JDL are a great group, but was a bit surprised that posters were blaming that group over the protestots that were inciting violence.
And now I'm going to sleep.
I don't in any way think the JDL are a great group, but was a bit surprised that posters were blaming that group over the protestots that were inciting violence.
And now I'm going to sleep.
It seems quite a bit more professional than the sources that you linked which brought speculations and make-believe as facts. The article is a lot more in-depth than the articles you linked which had their 'facts' already debunked by simple process like looking at the synagogues that are supposedly damaged.
The FBI declared the Jewish Defense League a terrorist organisation back in 2001.
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terror/terrorism-2000-2001/?searchterm=JDL
They aren't permitted to attack protesters. They are also not the police.
Please explain, because it looks like you just told an organisation recognized as terrorists by the FBI is allowed to attack and provoke at that time peaceful protesters.
The job of the police. The job of the police. The job of the police. The job of the police. I hope you get my point. Good night! Hope it less hot where you live.
It is.
The manifestations in France are obviously anti-Jewish. I don't think they give a shit to be honest about what's happening in Gaza and that's why they are considered illegal. I heard some interviews from the protesters, all they were doing were blasting Jews. Little to do with the conflict.
When you have Syria, Egypt, Irak and all the arab-muslim massacres that happened with thousands upon thousands of deaths, which many of them are civilians and not ONE manifestation in France, it gives you an idea.
I really do hope Israel destroys Hamas, but we all know that ain't happening. Only the Palestinian people can destroy Hamas.
When you have Syria, Egypt, Irak and all the arab-muslim massacres that happened with thousands upon thousands of deaths, which many of them are civilians and not ONE manifestation in France, it gives you an idea.
I really do hope Israel destroys Hamas, but we all know that ain't happening. Only the Palestinian people can destroy Hamas.
So you're saying that there were no protests in France against Bashar al-Assad, Mubarak and Saddam? Is that what you're saying? And if you're referring to the violence, they're very different situations.
This thread is too much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqByC-8sW-Q That is one. Do you want two?
dripdripsplash
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Awesome photos nib.
And with regards to settlers and their way of robbing land:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=249065588624728
And with regards to settlers and their way of robbing land:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=249065588624728
Cheesecakebobby
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Funny how 'stop the war' didn't have much to say when Israel accepted the ceasefire, STOPPING the war while Hamas elected to continue the war. They have done sod all about violence during the Arab uprisings and if anything supported Russia's annex of East Ukraine. They are a joke organisation who should change their name to 'stop wars which we can blame the west for'.
Sorry for off topic, I saw their placard and had a fit of rage.
Sorry for off topic, I saw their placard and had a fit of rage.
What?
The Hamas have many things at fault, but you seriously can't hand them the responsibility for the crimea annexion
Also don't forget the aggressive bullying and the settlements of Israel towards palestinensi. Look at the post above you.
Cheesecakebobby
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As I admitted my post was off topic, I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy of the 'stop the war' coalition - an off shoot of the socialist workers party, or the socialist party of Britain or whatever the quacks call themselves these days - who feature heavily in those photographs. Separate issue.What?
The Hamas have many things at fault, but you seriously can't hand them the responsibility for the crimea annexion
Also don't forget the aggressive bullying and the settlements of Israel towards palestinensi. Look at the post above you.
BaronLundi
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FYI there's a thread about the demonstration in Paris and its ban
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=857824
And I believe the JDL is a very small bunch of thugs who may actually have started trouble last week although we don't know for sure. They don't have the political influence some of you wrongly assume they have though. We're talking about less than a hundred pretty disorganised individuals. A gang basically.
Byt the way, in France and elsewhere, protests against what's happening in Syria, Lybia, Mali, Yemen, Egypt, Sudan, Iraq and Kenya, altogether combined do not amount to even a fraction of the attention to the conflict in Palestine.
Condemning the Israeli attacks, even being outraged by them, should not preclude any questions about why is it exactly that a conflict that kills hundreds and thousands is so completely shrouding ones that are killing hundreds of thousands.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=857824
And I believe the JDL is a very small bunch of thugs who may actually have started trouble last week although we don't know for sure. They don't have the political influence some of you wrongly assume they have though. We're talking about less than a hundred pretty disorganised individuals. A gang basically.
Byt the way, in France and elsewhere, protests against what's happening in Syria, Lybia, Mali, Yemen, Egypt, Sudan, Iraq and Kenya, altogether combined do not amount to even a fraction of the attention to the conflict in Palestine.
Condemning the Israeli attacks, even being outraged by them, should not preclude any questions about why is it exactly that a conflict that kills hundreds and thousands is so completely shrouding ones that are killing hundreds of thousands.
What the hell are you talking about? And you think people give a rats ass about a temporary ceasefire? This is about a lot more than just a ceasefire or temporary truce. It's about freeing Palestine from brutal occupation and oppression, making them sovereign, and not only ending Israel's illegal expansion of settlements, but getting the map back to internationally recognised legal borders, not the current one where Israel is essentially wiping Palestine off the map.
And I don't see how you jump to conclusions on Ukraine or the Arab Spring either, or how they're at all related. Your little outburst of anger in seeing something pro-Palestine leading you to throw caution, logic and compassion to the wind.
There is a simple reason for that: the media coverage. Everyone was positively covering the Arab Spring, politicians were discussing action to protect the population, they even went to war in Lybia. There was less reason to do mass protests on the street because the governments worldwide were already positively reacting to the conflict.
Cheesecakebobby
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I thought it was about stopping the 'massacre' of Gazans, to quote their signs.
If you read my post carefully you would know I was pointing out that this particular organisation is not one to trust in the fight for peace. They don't care about peace at all when it doesn't suit their agenda. People who genuinely care about the lives of Palestinians should just be aware of whose signs they are carrying through he streets. I admitted this wasn't directly about Hamas and Israel.
Oh really.... even so the part was from where the attack happen what ever man
Kenshin001
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Did the stopthewar people demonstrate against Assad or do they only want some wars to stop?
Cheesecakebobby
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They have often voiced support for Assad and opposed any intervention.
deathkiller
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Did you?
Gazan's are being massacred in more ways than just military might. Stop picking and choosing signs when there are so many different types, and look at the bigger picture. You're obfuscating the entire point of the solidarity protest, by picking some random tertiary connection and complaint (Eg don't complain about this war if you didn't complain about others, though I have no idea if you did protest others or not), assuming their intentions, and also digressing to other completely random and unrelated points. This is what you do time and time again. Anything to distance the situation or discussion from pro Palestinian sentiment.
"Free Palestine" "End the siege" "Stop Israeli State Terror" "Stop the War Coalition" "Stop the Massacre" "Stop Israel's Bombings""End Israeli Apartheid" "Stop Israel's War Crimes in Gaza"" Stop the Killing, Free Palestine"and so on.
And after the whole experience of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria, can't we move on from the idea that opposing our own government's wars doesn't mean supporting the other side?
http://stopwar.org.uk/news/lindsey-...we-are-supporting-the-other-side#.U8qK_LHcSuc
Cheesecakebobby
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I'm guessing he is not an organisation who claims they exist to stop war. I also guess he doesn't support the Assad regime, other Arab tyrants and the Russian colonial project. I guess he could though.
Cheesecakebobby
Banned
Literally supporting the other side is what means supporting the other side. The voicing of support for Assad, Putin and others has nothing to do with opposing one's own government's actions.
Also last time I checked Israel wasn't the government in London.
This is absurd. They are both launching rockets at each other as we speak, why do people not understand that both sides are firing?
Israel has a competent military, while also being capable of protecting their citizens. Are people blaming them for being to prepared? I'm confused by how ill-informed some are.
Israel has a competent military, while also being capable of protecting their citizens. Are people blaming them for being to prepared? I'm confused by how ill-informed some are.
deathkiller
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Is very easy to find lacking the demonstrations against war of others when you never go to demonstrations against anything.
Yes I meant that comparison with both the good and bad parts of it. I get that both the USA and Israel want to protect and avenge terrorist attacks against their civilians, but I also think both have gone overboard and killed too many civilians on the way, likely resulting in future terrorists.
I wasn't trying to say it is good vs evil, however I do believe that Hamas are terrorists when they attack Israel without any intention other than causing terror.
What the hell does a protest for Palestine have to do with Assad or Putin, and how do you know the people holding stop the war signs in the crowd did not protest against the war/violence in Syria etc either?
Cheesecakebobby
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My issue is with this specific organisation. I don't know how many more times I need to make this clear. I'm sure the vast majority of protesters have nothing on their mind but peace for people in the middle east, but the stop the war coalition loves to hijack these protests and claim it as a victory for socialism. You don't know how many times socialists in London would boast to me about how 'they' got a million-strong crowd to come out and protest against the Iraq war, as if it proved that the socialists had inspired people to come out and fight the powers that be, and not just that people from all backgrounds had concerns. A lot of these protesters will have been handed a placard and will be blissfully unaware that it bears the insignia of an organisation who are quite happy to stand by or even voice support when non-Western actors are grinding their own killing machines.
Is mutually assured destruction too much to hope for?
I mean, if you can't play nicely you shouldn't play at all.
So if I decided to build a fence around your home, and essentially force you to live in an open air prison, you would just passively accept it? Would I be justified in using overwhelming force to eliminate your resistance when you try to get me to leave?
That is what's absurd. You cannot be "defending" yourself when you are an occupying force.
Ok, noted. Can we stop going off topic about this organisation?
Egypt is occupying Gaza as much as Israel, I wish they would throw some rockets over there for good measure.
"b-b-but they're doing it too!"
Great argument there if it wasn't an utterly ridiculous comparison. Is Egypt also sending in troops, bombing them and and stealing their land?
Well they aren't being bombed from there, why would they send in troops? Try harder. Gaza borders two countries and the government there only recognizes one of them. Why can Egypt close its border with Gaza but not Israel? Why is that fact continually being ignored?
Because it isn't fucking Israel's border in the first place.
Huh? What do you mean?
Well keeping the conflict between the two nations raging is an excellent pretext to continue building illegal settlements and ethnically cleanse-- oh wait, egypt isn't doing that. Weird.
Maybe that has something do with Israel getting the brunt of Hamas' ire.
Only started following this recently.
Essentially, Israel's occupation and encroaching settlements super pissed off a group of 2.5 million people who are known to kind of already hate Israel. Hamas perceives this threat as existential, so they start launching missile strikes, but Israel is really fucking good at dealing with missile strikes, and retaliates, making the death toll very lopsided.
Approximately correct? Is there merit to the claims of "human shield" action, Israel attempting to warn Palestinians of impending strikes?
Essentially, Israel's occupation and encroaching settlements super pissed off a group of 2.5 million people who are known to kind of already hate Israel. Hamas perceives this threat as existential, so they start launching missile strikes, but Israel is really fucking good at dealing with missile strikes, and retaliates, making the death toll very lopsided.
Approximately correct? Is there merit to the claims of "human shield" action, Israel attempting to warn Palestinians of impending strikes?
Baki
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They send a small bomb as a warning (blow up the roof) and then they send a much bigger bomb.
And when they are bored, they decide to play target practice on the beach where the kids play.
Don't take this the wrong way, but is there evidence of this? Just trying to stay clear of possible bias.
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