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Cancel culture appears to be losing steam

FunkMiller

Gold Member
If you want to use cancel culture against them, that's your prerogative. I won't do it, for the reasons I mentioned earlier (e.g., lowering yourself, amplifying the problem, hypocrisy).

I'll add one more. It'll probably sound misogynistic, but oh well. Cancel culture uses methods that overlap with women's characteristic style of expressing aggression - smears, reputation destruction, behind-the-back gossip, isolation, and exclusion. It's no coincidence that most SJWs are women. I'm no macho man, but engaging in cancel culture feels unmanly to me.

Extremely misogynistic, to be honest. You think most SJWs are women? What part about the whole massive trans movement did you miss? You know… the one where it’s a lot of biological males driving almost every aspect of the activism?

You might think cancel culture is unmanly, but there are a lot of dudes out there who are quite happy to engage in it.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Yeah for real. Whole lot of people told they were smart who aren’t too lol. I’m working with w Gen Z girl who is a junior consultant who asked me to mentor her and our meetings are basically her just going “I don’t get how, like what do I like, do, to like… get promoted?”

I really just want to scream at her “actually be good at your job for a few years you fuck.” She’s fucking terrible at her job but I bet she was raised in a “you can do anything you want!” Kind of atmosphere that left out the “with hard work and some natural skill.”

She’s fucking terrible at her job, lazy, and legit talks like a child in our Slack. Her awful vocal fry just makes me want to build a Time Machine and abort her.
A bunch of young people who got hired into my dept around the same time had the EXACT SAME attitude. All were around 25-26 at the time. All of them had entitled attitudes, tried to boss around the vets, and one decided he just wanted to WFH when he felt like it even though it was 5 days at the office standard for all. And this was before covid! lol. Then in big board meetings they are on their phone doing snapchat where even I got nailed with some pics they showed me later when they put animal filters on whomever they got pics of.

1 got fired, 1 was going to get fired but left the company (saw it coming), and one left the company on their own soon after. If another 6 months passed, all 3 would had been fired.

Thats one good thing about my company. They arent afraid to fire people. Seen lots of people not even pass the probation period. I've seen a person fired after a month leading right into Xmas! Guy lied on his resume and had no idea what he was doing.
 

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
A bunch of young people who got hired into my dept around the same time had the EXACT SAME attitude. All were around 25-26 at the time. All of them had entitled attitudes, tried to boss around the vets, and one decided he just wanted to WFH when he felt like it even though it was 5 days at the office standard for all. And this was before covid! lol. Then in big board meetings they are on their phone doing snapchat where even I got nailed with some pics they showed me later when they put animal filters on whomever they got pics of.

1 got fired, 1 was going to get fired but left the company (saw it coming), and one left the company on their own soon after. If another 6 months passed, all 3 would had been fired.

Thats one good thing about my company. They arent afraid to fire people. Seen lots of people not even pass the probation period. I've seen a person fired after a month leading right into Xmas! Guy lied on his resume and had no idea what he was doing.
Yeah actually in the process of raising this girls behavior up to upper management and our account team who are pissed and worried. In consulting you are charging companies with the expectation your people will bust ass more and be experts. These slackers we hired are almost all a huge liability.

We did dump a lot of them in the last 1.5 years but not sure what they’ll do with this girl, I’m not her manager jus the lead on the project so don’t have real power in the situation.

Stressful ass shit as the client hasn’t been happy and I’m responsible for her.

I keep telling myself these are just anecdotes but it sure feels like we are headed torwrds disaster lol
 
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IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Just took a look at the OT of that purple forum I hadn’t checked out in a while and half the threads are exemplifying what is being discussed in here. That Tesla owner thread… Jesus Christ, “everyone who drives one is evil” basically. I’m sure all this shaming of loads of people who are liberal will make all those people sell their Tesla’s and come begging at the feet of the purity testers for forgiveness.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Yeah actually in the process of raising this girls behavior up to upper management and our account team who are pissed and worried. In consulting you are charging companies with the expectation your people will bust ass more and be experts. These slackers we hired are almost all a huge liability.

We did dump a lot of them in the last 1.5 years but not sure what they’ll do with this girl, I’m not her manager jus the lead on the project so don’t have real power in the situation.

Stressful ass shit as the client hasn’t been happy and I’m responsible for her.

I keep telling myself these are just anecdotes but it sure feels like we are headed torwrds disaster lol
I've always told me peers at work that when you hire people make sure they are self sufficient.

Traditionally, you hear thing about "you can teach skills". I disagree. I find only a small number of people can be taught skills wells. And attitude is attitude. Good luck changing that. Some managers try to hire based on potential where they will try to mould the new hire into what they want. Good luck.

Working in finance for 20 years, I've never met one person who was bad at numbers and suddenly got good at it. And that goes for finance roles or working with sales or marketing people too regarding financial data. Youre either are smart and can learn new and understand content fast or youre kind of dumb and will never learn stuff well even if someone has been doing the role for ages and is now 50 years old.

I swear, there are some people at work I could trying teaching how to read a P/L statement for 10 years. And in the year 2034 they still wouldnt get it.
 
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Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
As you also know, I've had a trans woman roommate for almost exactly 9 months (November 24th will be nine) and fwiw, I really like her but she thinks JKR is literally going to get trans women killed.
What's with all the chuckly-chucks over my reply? Heh.
 

Humdinger

Gold Member
Extremely misogynistic, to be honest. You think most SJWs are women?

Yes. I think it's obvious that the majority of SJWs are women. Liberal (leftist) women.

What part about the whole massive trans movement did you miss? You know… the one where it’s a lot of biological males driving almost every aspect of the activism?

The trans folks are a tiny minority, and they've only recently risen to "prominence" (if that's what you want to call it) in the SJW mob. It goes back much further than just the past few years. What part of that did you miss?

You might think cancel culture is unmanly, but there are a lot of dudes out there who are quite happy to engage in it.

Yeah, a lot of feminized dudes.
 

FunkMiller

Gold Member
Yes. I think it's obvious that the majority of SJWs are women. Liberal (leftist) women.

The trans folks are a tiny minority, and they've only recently risen to "prominence" (if that's what you want to call it) in the SJW mob. It goes back much further than just the past few years. What part of that did you miss?

Yeah, a lot of feminized dudes.

It's ridiculous to suggest the woke movement is mostly women. You want to blame women for something they are only half responsible for. You even know you're being misogynistic in your own comment.
 

FunkMiller

Gold Member
Just took a look at the OT of that purple forum I hadn’t checked out in a while and half the threads are exemplifying what is being discussed in here. That Tesla owner thread… Jesus Christ, “everyone who drives one is evil” basically. I’m sure all this shaming of loads of people who are liberal will make all those people sell their Tesla’s and come begging at the feet of the purity testers for forgiveness.

I made the mistake of popping into the thread about how white men should be connected with by the left, post the election of Trump, and it was the usual collection of screaming insults and vitriolic, virtue signalling bullshit.

Nothing like a bunch of privileged idiots with enough disposable income to waste on video games, blaming a bunch of poor dudes for their problems.

These fuckers think they are the ones in the oppressed minority - with their RTX 4090s and PS5 Pro consoles.

The sooner the left wing remember that the divide is class and income based, and not skin colour or gender based, the better off they will be.
 
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Am I gay if I find my trans girl roommate extraordinary beautiful? 🤔
Guess What Law And Order GIF by Caleb Linden Design

I vaguely remember the drama thread. I thought she was moving out and you couldn't afford rent because you showered her with gifts until you were broke or some shit.

See guys I used the pronouns! Think the chick at the Starbucks with the blue hair and all the piercings will like me now?
 

Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Guess What Law And Order GIF by Caleb Linden Design

I vaguely remember the drama thread. I thought she was moving out and you couldn't afford rent because you showered her with gifts until you were broke or some shit.

See guys I used the pronouns! Think the chick at the Starbucks with the blue hair and all the piercings will like me now?
You talking to me?

Oh yeah you are. Anyways, she's staying an extra month. Even then I don't think she could have moved out so quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if she cannot even move out after December.
 
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Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
We’d need to see a picture. Some trans women look like dudes in wigs, some look like supermodels. Beauty is subjective, so not an easy question to answer seriously 🤣
I would but I don't think that would be very respectful and somebody here might know who she is.

I will tell you that she actually looks like a woman. I would rate her a 10 out of 10. She's actually that pretty.
 

Facism

Member
I live around a bunch of Trump supporters and funny enough all of them that met her actually like her. My family friends down the street even actually adore her (said she is very pretty and intelligent which fwiw is true) after she helped fixed their computer issue. They're even making Thanksgiving dinner for the both of us next Thursday.

This the same room-mate that was going to make you homeless?
 

Dacvak

No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Pendulum swings one way, returns to the middle, swings the other way. Ad infinitum.
 

Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
This the same room-mate that was going to make you homeless?
Yeah. But I talked to her to staying one more month so I can figure out what I'm going to do.

Right now we're pretty cool with each other and I want to keep it that way.

I'm going to be spending Thanksgiving dinner with her on Thursday.
 
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DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
That wasn't really the problem. It was the VP of marketing or whatever saying they wanted to get away from "frat boy appeal". THAT is what got folks riled up. The trans influencer thing then became a signal of the audience bud apparently wanted instead of "frat boys" and they lost billions for it, deservedly so.

Most don't care if there is niche marketing so long as it is clear the core audience is getting served as well. But when EVERY ad is going for that niche group, well, reap what you sow

But that's what almost everything I watched from Kid Rock to Joe Everyman said... "Budweiser is for woke trans? Not my beer!"
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Yeah. But I talked to her to staying one more month so I can figure out what I'm going to do.

Right now we're pretty cool with each other and I want to keep it that way.

I'm going to be spending Thanksgiving dinner with her on Thursday.
What
Tha
Fuuuuuuck

You got a dude who won't pay rent to stay an extra month rent free so ya'll can "be cool"?

Wake
The
Fuck
Up!!

Seriously man, this relationship is killing ypu!
 
Yeah I get the feeling the pendulum has begun its swing back to a more rational position, not that it’s going to happen overnight but I do feel a change.
Modern society faces numerous challenges that make it difficult to achieve stability. Instead, it seems increasingly likely to gravitate toward greater extremes. In 4 years it could be something completely different.
 

Diddy X

Member
Without the constant media push, very few people would truly believe that nonsense. You see how media can influence society to believe anything. There's a saying that you have to learn history to avoid repeating the same mistakes, but this is similar to what has happened throughout history, like in Nazi Germany, where people were misled to believe a lie.
 

Jsisto

Member
The problem is that the idea of cancel culture in itself isn't new, or even that its inherently bad culturally. There has to be some lines people can't cross if they want to continue to participate in society. Pedophilia. Unprovoked violence. Blatant racism or sexism. The problem is that the window of what is "cancellable" has gotten way out of hand. The fact that saying something like "All women have vaginas" or even having standard, run of the mill right wing views could get you in trouble socially or financially is completely unacceptable.
 

Humdinger

Gold Member
I also hope one effect of this shift is that we recover our sense of humor a little bit. Things have gotten so dour and sour-pussed over the past decade, with all the preachy scolds in the media etc. We used to be able to joke about things without people getting offended so easily and then resorting to accusations of various -isms. I hope we loosen up as a culture and get some of our sense of fun back. I'm feeling a little bit of that already. Hope it continues.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I also hope one effect of this shift is that we recover our sense of humor a little bit. Things have gotten so dour and sour-pussed over the past decade, with all the preachy scolds in the media etc. We used to be able to joke about things without people getting offended so easily and then resorting to accusations of various -isms. I hope we loosen up as a culture and get some of our sense of fun back. I'm feeling a little bit of that already. Hope it continues.
So true.

I guess so many people in life have never watched stand up acts where the guy makes fun of everyone (including himself). Chill out and go to a stand up act and watch the 10 pm show. It's crass but hilarious. The 7 pm shows are much more safe joke acts. If you dont like safe jokes, you might not laugh. But you will at the late show.

When I was flipping channels on election night between different channels covering the election (as well as watching sports channels too). It was so odd. But also true what they say. Even before it started, the pre-election shows are night and day. CNN is such a boring doom and gloom channel where everyone is all mad and loud. Fox telecast, people are having fun and joking around. And this was before any results were even in yet, so nobody knew how the night would play out.

You'd think the cancel culture left side is supposed to be the more fun happy go lucky side, while the other is supposed to be the stuffy suit and tie spectrum of oppressive bankers. Absolute opposites. Weird as hell how that's played out over the years.
 
Here's the thing you guys don't seem to be grasping, pre-Musk, when Twitter was all left leaning or whatever, I rarely saw any politics on my feed or my recommendations. That's how I curated it, I'm there just for gaming, some music, retro tech, etc. that's how it was for me. I didn't follow any woke accounts or dumb shit like that.

However now, I constantly get the odd right leaning account or "Anti-Woke" accounts appearing in my For You and recommendations, the annoying AI thing is obsessed with politics. So now, for me, twitter is more politics/culture war pushing despite me having avoided all of that in the past.
You should probably change "for you" to the "following" selection instead. And perhaps Musk has changed the algorithm to show you more politics, but that wasn't the main point I was making about what you said.

You musn't, or must be biased yourself if you think anything has improved under Musk other than the pendulum just swinging to other side and political content being gamed by the system.

I acknowledge twitter used to be left leaning but at least before I could avoid politics stuff seeping into my things. Now it's right leaning and every damn buzzword and "thing you should be angry at" constantly seeps into pages now, not to mention the AI "curation" instead of trends being completely politics obsessed.

But that isn't accurate. And the reason you likely thought otherwise is probably a combination of confirmation bias and the media lying to you. But we agree the AI curation sucks, and he needs to keep trends at least an option for people. Anyhow, here's a fun twitter thread that goes over the history of those claims from the media, that it now seems were never actually investigated before those accusations were made.



And here's perhaps the best example from the thread:

Rather than report Pew's data published 2 months prior (9/17/24) showing a near-equal split between DEM and GOP users on X (contradicting NBC's "echo chamber" headline), NBC’s David Ingram cited older Pew surveys (6/12/24) on what Dems and Repubs “think” about the platform.

Whether by accident or intent, I'm glad twitter currently has the most even ideological split of any social media platform, and I hope it can stay that way.
 
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EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
Neil Degrasse Tyson still terrified of being cancelled quite clearly:



Quite pathetic that one of the highest profile scientists in America can't state scientific reality, because he's worried about the backlash on social media.

Might not be his primary motivator. He could believe that he’s being a good person by saying so, and standing up for a psychologically vulnerable group. Or some other reason.

I can’t overstate how important it is for the face of science to tell the truth, though. The general public sees this stuff and the entire foundation comes into question.
 

FunkMiller

Gold Member
Might not be his primary motivator. He could believe that he’s being a good person by saying so, and standing up for a psychologically vulnerable group. Or some other reason.

I can’t overstate how important it is for the face of science to tell the truth, though. The general public sees this stuff and the entire foundation comes into question.

That's certainly a less cynical way of looking at it :) And you may well be right, but as you say, regardless of motivation, it's extremely worrying that a senior scientist with such a high profile can't state the truth. I'd like to see one of his contemporaries (such as Brian Cox) start to push back on the anti-science being spouted by the left, just as much as they do with the anti-science being spouted by the right.
 

XXL

Member
Neil Degrasse Tyson still terrified of being cancelled quite clearly:



Quite pathetic that one of the highest profile scientists in America can't state scientific reality, because he's worried about the backlash on social media.

I may be not remembering it properly, but doesn't he think girls can be boys and boys can be girls and also that having trans women competing in female sports isn't a big deal or give them competitive advantage.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I remember seeing that.
 

FunkMiller

Gold Member
I may be not remembering it properly, but doesn't he think girls can be boys and boys can be girls and also that having trans women competing in female sports isn't a big deal or give them competitive advantage.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I remember seeing that.

The 'women might be better at long distance swimming' is the same kind of cherry picking sophistry employed by climate deniers when they quote from one article among a sea of contradictory evidence. He's engaging in a bad faith position, and that's very disheartening.
 

YCoCg

Gold Member
But that isn't accurate. And the reason you likely thought otherwise is probably a combination of confirmation bias and the media lying to you.
No it's simple, like I said, pre-Musk I barely saw any politics stuff, that's it, you can show as much reports as you want how it's more "balanced" but straight up for me, one user, I now get more politics bs seeping into my feeds and it's always right leaning stuff. I can only comment about my own experience and that experience is that I get a lot more political influenced accounts "recommended" to me now than I ever did before despite not using Twitter for anything politics.
 

XXL

Member
The 'women might be better at long distance swimming' is the same kind of cherry picking sophistry employed by climate deniers when they quote from one article among a sea of contradictory evidence. He's engaging in a bad faith position, and that's very disheartening.
I thought I remembered him saying something like that before.
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
No it's simple, like I said, pre-Musk I barely saw any politics stuff, that's it, you can show as much reports as you want how it's more "balanced" but straight up for me, one user, I now get more politics bs seeping into my feeds and it's always right leaning stuff. I can only comment about my own experience and that experience is that I get a lot more political influenced accounts "recommended" to me now than I ever did before despite not using Twitter for anything politics.
Yes, it’s true. The old algo was centered around blue checks, the original blue checks, who were public/notable figures with verified, real name identities, from a wide variety of backgrounds. So you got a mix of content.

The new algo is open source and simple. Whatever is predicted to be the highest engagement content, based on their ML models, wins. Inevitably it is a lot of political and inflammatory posts. And the authors are mostly anonymous, so they don’t have any concerns about taking politically incorrect or extreme positions, for good or ill.

FYP can be a mess, as a result. I’ve seen extreme racial posts with hard r n words at the top of it as recently as yesterday. Surely this kind of classless stuff isn’t necessary for the literal top of the front page of a mainstream platform.

Following page is fine.
 

XXL

Member
That Tesla owner thread… Jesus Christ, “everyone who drives one is evil” basically. I’m sure all this shaming of loads of people who are liberal will make all those people sell their Tesla’s and come begging at the feet of the purity testers for forgiveness.
I drive a Tesla and that forum hating me for it, is the best thing I've heard today.

Edit: I just checked out the thread.
Donald Trump Thank You GIF by UFC

That forum is filled with lunatics.
 
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Nydius

Member
Being kind to 0.5% of the human population by calling them he or she according to their choices is not going to upend biological, scientific reality Funk. If you prefer you can conceptualize as them, within society, adopting male or female roles instead of their assigned roles at birth.

If this person (picture below) walks up to me and says I need to use "she/her" pronouns, I would laugh in his face. This man is no more a woman than Tim Curry was when he was costumed up as Frank-n-Furter for Rocky Horror Picture Show. I will not enable their mental illness. I will not partake in manipulating language to distort reality for their feelings. I'm not going to "conceptualize" anything to accomodate someone else's delusions.

"0.5% of the human population" don't get to dictate terms to the other 99.5%. If someone wants to be a MtF transvestite, more power to them. However, that doesn't mean they're actually women, nor does that mean we should address them or give them benefits as such. That's not hateful, it's reality.

The group that always screams "trust the science" sure does turn a blind eye to established biological science...


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DeepEnigma

Gold Member
FYP can be a mess, as a result. I’ve seen extreme racial posts with hard r n words at the top of it as recently as yesterday. Surely this kind of classless stuff isn’t necessary for the literal top of the front page of a mainstream platform.

Following page is fine.
I see this all over Instagram as well. The N word memes are dime a dozen there and with massive engagement in the 100s of Ks and millions.

I was actually shocked since the MSM sold it that this was only on Elon’s platform when I see it at a far higher clip on Insta. Now that is with my car(s) page algos so it’s jokester city. My company profiles are curated just for that, but I don’t doom scroll them either like the former.
 

FunkMiller

Gold Member
If this person (picture below) walks up to me and says I need to use "she/her" pronouns, I would laugh in his face. This man is no more a woman than Tim Curry was when he was costumed up as Frank-n-Furter for Rocky Horror Picture Show. I will not enable their mental illness. I will not partake in manipulating language to distort reality for their feelings. I'm not going to "conceptualize" anything to accomodate someone else's delusions.

"0.5% of the human population" don't get to dictate terms to the other 99.5%. If someone wants to be a MtF transvestite, more power to them. However, that doesn't mean they're actually women, nor does that mean we should address them or give them benefits as such. That's not hateful, it's reality.

The group that always screams "trust the science" sure does turn a blind eye to established biological science...


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This type of online social media screaming nonsense has very little to do with reality. The trans people I've met haven't been these idiotic, performative morons. They've been decent human beings, who just want to live the life that they feel is right for them. I have zero issues calling them by their preferred pronoun - especially for those who have been through the difficult surgery.

Unfortunately, the lives of those kinds of trans people have been permanently made worse by the screaming, blue haired idiots, who think slapping on some make up and a dress gives them the right to call themselves women. Activists and misogynists who can't hack life as a man and think being a woman is somehow 'easier'.
 
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DeepEnigma

Gold Member
If this person (picture below) walks up to me and says I need to use "she/her" pronouns, I would laugh in his face. This man is no more a woman than Tim Curry was when he was costumed up as Frank-n-Furter for Rocky Horror Picture Show. I will not enable their mental illness. I will not partake in manipulating language to distort reality for their feelings. I'm not going to "conceptualize" anything to accomodate someone else's delusions.

"0.5% of the human population" don't get to dictate terms to the other 99.5%. If someone wants to be a MtF transvestite, more power to them. However, that doesn't mean they're actually women, nor does that mean we should address them or give them benefits as such. That's not hateful, it's reality.

The group that always screams "trust the science" sure does turn a blind eye to established biological science...


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This dude is a predator. Seen many a video where he targets children.
 

Fahdis

Member
*Le me in a Muslim country* I'm sorry you all had to go through all that. Suffice to say we have our own fucked up problems. But being half western in perception literally gave me the reason to move countries from such ludicrous bullshit. And even then I lived in Texas. Unfortunately, 2015-2025 is the decade of stupidity.

Other trends these days, "Daddy", everyone needs to have Tatoos and Beards, feminist whores inciting misandry against men openly, red pill movements of absolute dumbfuck men, political and economical terrorists given clemency, still making stupid people famous.
 
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