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Captain America: Brave New World | Official Trailer
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Zathalus
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Marvel humans are just built different. See Iron Man 1 where Tony slammed into the ground at speeds enough to kill anyone, no matter what armor they are wearing. Or the scene where he flipped straight into a wall without any armor. Dude should be dead several times over in his first movie. Silliness aside, it would probably be better for suspension of disbelief if the movie tries to make some explanation for his physical feats. Be it via Vibranium suit or a knock-off super soldier serum. Heck a flawed super soldier serum that he has to take regularly and is slowly killing him would make for a pretty good plot hook.
Stunning and brave new world.
Imagine picking charisma vacuum falcor to be the next capt
dude exudes secondary character vibes, he's alright as support, nothing else.
Also, this movie will bomb HARD. Its is true that the costs for this are north of $400 mil?
Hrk69
Member
Quoted for future generations
j0hnnix
Member
I think the film will do ok, like 500 mill worldwide, maybe 800 if it hits. But that's just enough to break even, NOT what a Marvel tentpole film is supposed to do! Marvel is coming off some really bad years, even the high of DP3 can't cover 2-3 more very expensive disappointments. Now if MArvel had been able to just stockpile $$$ from the glory years of the 2010's they'd be waaaaay ahead but I think Disney has siphoned off all that cash and they did make a bunch of extraordinarily expensive TV shows with basically no ROI.
I think Red Hulk merch may do well, somehow I don't think the rest of the crew will sell nearly as much. With the DVD market dead, the front end box office for these films is critical.
Ulysses 31
Member
With a budget of 350M(without marketing), 800M ain't gonna cut it. It needs 1B at least.
‘Captain America: Brave New World' Has A Budget of $350M-$375M — World of Reel
Last year, after receiving negative test scores, and Marvel being underwhelmed by an early cut of the film, Julius Onah’s “Captain America: Brave New World” was delayed to February 2025.
www.worldofreel.com
And Disney budgets tend to be higher once they can't hide it anymore when filing in the tax paper work. They initially reported 200M for Multiverse of Madness but the real budget was over 400M on the paper works.
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Kraz
Member
The momentous success of their most recent show Agatha All Along, which had the lowest budget of any D+ MCU show, may have changed that.
Many lessons taught by that show.
Certainly at 4+ million viewers for their last few eps its VERY successful for a Marvel show, most of which were DISASTERS a less than a mill per ep. Not Star Wars level mediocrity though.
Still, hopefully it shows that they know how to budget for their expected audience.
Shows Cap 4 trailer to my son, we are going to theater. But Thunderbolts he said was a "watch at home". Sheesh kid, get some taste
Burning Blade
Member
I like Anthony Mackie and I’m willing to give him a chance with the character. I feel like this movie could actually turn out to be decent, but don’t understand why they can’t make these movies for $80-100 million and make a tidy little profit? $400+ million dollar budget on this is pure insanity.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
I think it's going under 500 million. The same way a Batman movie would, if they replaced Bruce with Dick Grayson as Batman. People turned out for Chris Evans as Steve Rogers.
They should have given Antony Mackie a Falcon movie on a low budget that took more risks.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
Nothing I hate more than "the hero is just the cape/mask and anyone can fill it" nonsense, instead of the hero being a specific person at a specific time. That and "multiverse" BS are the worst possible ways to create characters and content. So... Disney-Marvel is one of the worst things to happen to pop culture in my lifetime, everything is retarded now.
Doom85
Member
Both the things you’re complaining about have been things in the comics since the 50’s/60’s.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Flash Jay Garrick was replaced by Barry Allen and then retconned to have been from another Earth.
Monica Rambeau became Captain Marvel after the original was killed and then Carol Danvers became Captain Marvel after Monica abandoned the moniker (there's some timey wimey stuff going on with that IIRC)
Miles Morales becoming HIS universe's new Spider-Man after the OG died ...
Sam becoming Captain America because he was GIVEN the mantle in both comics and movies is canon ...
Picking up or being given the mantle is a time honored tradition... Those were only SOME of the examples I could have thrown out there. I could go on and on for both Marvel and DC
FunkMiller
Gold Member
It's a time honoured tradition for the mantle to swap to another person in comics.
It's also a time honoured tradition for that mantle to go right the fuck back to the original character when the sales are too low.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Well luckily there's two caps in the comics and two Spider-Mans in the comics too! Just like there were two Flashes for a while (Wally and Barry).
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
To be clear: to the extent that is true (and it isn't of all comic franchises, for what it's worth), such fantastical comic books were clearly a pulp product suitable only for the attention of children. For adults to stay tuned into this never ending multiverse-soap opera of trash, and take in Disney's cynical corporate brain rot year after year, should be an embarrassing thing.
Also: multiverse has infested content everywhere increasingly over the years, so there is a major shift in pop culture, and it's a terrible one. Also the notion of "give the mask to its new owner, they are now the new [X]" is obviously just a cheap way to keep selling the same thing over and over in endless incarnations... it's purely a cynical way to extract more cash from franchises better left dead.
And the "wear the mantel" way of thinking has also bed into other genres... basically, horrific comic book tropes ruin everything they touch. For example, I recall seeing someone riff about who should be "the new James Bond," and based on their suggestions (which included women etc, lol) it was clear that they regarded "the new Bond" as something like a mask anyone could wear, not as a concrete character with any possible meaningful individual attributes at all. That kind of idiocy is where comic book culture leads you.
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FunkMiller
Gold Member
Unfortunately, it's all Nolan's fault in terms of its use in live action. He's the one who really started the whole 'the hero can be anyone' schtick in the Dark Knight films, and - much like with everything in the Dark Knight films - it's been copied ad infinitum ever since.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
As much as I enjoyed that trailer, it's a download disney+ for me, not wasting ££ on a cinema trip for it unless it's Winter Soldier tier, but I just can't take Falcon as Capt America, he's Falcon FFS, an ordinary human being with zero charisma or personality, he's a side kick not a front and center lead, Steve had all the ingredients for a main character played brilliantly by Chris Evans, Anthony isn't even in the same league and besides he's a fecking human and every time he pulls 29g's or flies through a building it just pulls me outta the movie as I think no way an ordinary human being can take that kinda punishment, why the hell they didn't go with Bucky whose at least a super soldier
GymWolf
Gold Member
You fucking know why
bitbydeath
Member
Glen Powell is actually very similar to a young Chris Evans. They both got that confidence.
JFC they are only 7 years apart!
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
You fucking know why
Actually nope. Not what you're thinking... Even in the comics Bucky wasn't given the mantle. Sam was.
But more than that, Bucky wasn't ready for it nor wanted it and Steve knew that. The show shows that. So it made no narrative sense with where Bucky was at that time to become Capt.
Edit: John Walker was a regular human without a SS Serum and he was Captain America... So, the above argument doesn't have legs on the merits.
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See, I do fall on the side of "James Bond is a cover identity" rather than "there is only ONE James Bond". I think the former gives more freedom for each actor to interpret the character in their own way with the understanding that there are some core principles of the cover that are fixed. This gives the audience the Bond they know and love while also some openings for new storylines and a way to leave the past. New Bond doesn't have to be saddled with all the pathos of the Craig run, for example. Use the support cast, all of whom like M and Q are CLEARLY just in a government position (throw Moneypenny in there as well) for continuity across Bonds.
Anyway, the Craig run pretty much ended that possibility. I hope they take a GIANT step back from making the films so zeroed in on Bond himself and do a few episodic spy stories as a palate cleanser before trying a multi-arc film series again.
Doom85
Member
I’m not embarrassed, and no, Marvel and DC have long been for a variety of ages. You can’t tell me you would pick up an issue of New Teen Titans from the 80’s, look at Terra who is presented as a hero but is actually a psychopath who manipulates all her teammates to emotionally and literally backstab them, sleeps with Deathstroke who she is working with (and she is NOT 18 or older, also she drinks and smokes as an underage teen), and when she finds out he was just using her she tries to kill him and the Titans but accidentally has her powers killing herself instead, and after all that you would put down that issue and think, “man, this isn’t for me, but I bet my six year old son would love this, it’s so aimed at him clearly!”
Trying to cite financial and merchandise influence is pointless to me, as once you put that element on the table SO MANY franchises from the get-go could be ripped apart from a cynical view. The 80’s Transformers animated film was pretty obviously influenced from a desire to get rid of a ton of the characters so that when Season 3 aired afterwards they could bring in a bunch of new characters and thus sell new toys. The Star Wars franchise was merchandise-influenced from the get-go as when Harrison Ford asked to be killed off in Return of the Jedi as he never had a fondness for the character compared to Indy or Deckard for example, George Lucas flat out said, “dead Han doesn’t sell toys.” Now, this isn’t to say Transformers and Star Wars aren’t good in any way, because just because sales or merchandise were a relevant factor doesn’t mean the writers and such didn’t put in any effort into making their work engaging.
I don’t see as the multiverse as an issue as this new online narrative of “multiverse sucks” is at odds with actual reception of the multiverse films. Loki? Generally considered one of, if not the, best of the modern MCU shows. Spider-man No Way Home? Massively successful at the box office. Dr. Strange MoM? Reception was more mixed but still made much more money than the first Strange film. Deadpool and Wolverine? Massively successful. And outside of the MCU, the Spider-verse films and Everything Everywhere All at Once were critical and financial successes, even winning many awards. The only one that failed was The Flash (2023), and there were clearly more significant factors working against that film than it being a multiverse film.
Also, I’m supposed to hate comic book tropes because some rando was DISCUSSING who should play Bond next? Well, by that logic, ZERO fictional series should exist, because I guarantee you every single one of them has had some shitty fan casting idea by some rando out there. Seriously, that example means nothing.
It sounds like you just detest superhero comics and have a very overly cynical look at them. I don’t really know much of what you enjoy, but the one thing I do remember is you play, or at least have shown knowledge of, TTRPGS. Well, an overly cynical person could go, “wow, a bunch of adults sitting around a table playing make-believe, that’s embarrassing.” I wouldn’t actually say that and mean it because I don’t care for having such a cynical and judgmental attitude toward something one doesn’t enjoy.
Because, to quote C.S. Lewis: “Critics who treat “adult” as a term of approval, instead of as a measly descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about growing up, to admire to the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
Regardless, my point stands. The concepts you were originally complaining about are not modern by any stretch of the imagination, and them being in these movies is just reflective of the source material that has had these elements since sixty years ago. Considering how strict many fans are of other series adaptations outside of Marvel and DC to follow the source material, one would think that Marvel and DC adaptations should do the same.
bitbydeath
Member
You talking comics?
Cause on the show he took the SS Serum.
GymWolf
Gold Member
It's way too late to use comics as reference after all the freedom they took for movies and shows, movie Bucky is not a real person with thoughts and hopes, it's a fictional character that was written out of the capt role so that falcor could get the role for the reason most of us imagine very well, even if bucky make way more sense because it is way more beloved by the fans, it has an actual connection with steve and he is a superhuman aswell, nobody gives a single fuck about charismaless dude with wings that explain senators how not to be racists or some shit.
It could be as you say, but after so many years i prefer to believe that disney\marvel just did their usual crap.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
to be clear (obviously could have scaled back the hyperbole on my side, but oh well...) the issue isn't that adults are engaging in something that is partly for children etc; hell, I enjoy Mario games still.
What bothers me is the awful corporate quality of comic book IPs in particular. Which is actually something shared with recent tabletop gaming too, since you brought it up -- I'd absolutely rate D&D's current (5th) edition as deeply embarrassing for any adult to play and take seriously; my group's one rule for deciding to invite a player to our tabletop games is "do they like 5e?" because that's all you need to know. It has actually been heavily infested with many of the same "everyone's a hero!" nonsense that defines comic book movies today.
What do I mean by "corporate?" You can just feel it, and it relates to things like "who will be the next [X] / we're all heroes / anyone could be a Spiderman" etc. It's this sense that identity is just a mask, that we're all heroic and just waiting to show off our unique hero flair. D&D5e is just like that -- every character type is some kind of heroic snarky badass, only thing to choose is "which type are you? What's your unique style?" ...gag me. Avengers always feels that way, and i can't stand even 5 second clips of it.
Then there is the constant stream of c-o-n-t-e-n-t and the shilling all over the web as if some breaindead corporate studio formulating another hero entry is some significant cultural event rather than a way to milk audiences for their stupidity.
If you've ever watched Nerd Crew parody show -- they pretty much nail the suffocating nausea that it all gives me now.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
In the movies/show, Bucky is a mental mess because of Hydra's brainwashing. He needed to heal and he got that through the F&TWS show. He had MASSIVE guilt for the things he did. He couldn't be the CA the world needed and he didn't want to be. That's what his character tells us throughout his time in the MCU... He's "damaged goods" and could never fill the shoes of his best friend because of his past.
As far as the comics go, he took the mantle of Captain America after Steve was killed. Then it became a whole scandal when people found out he was the Winter Soldier posing as Steve's CA ... Old man Steve gave the mantle to his long-time partner and other best friend, Sam. In the MCU, you see that they're close because they have a lot, MORALLY, in common.
And didn't Sam dodge a shot by Vision?
AFTER he was already operating as Capt America. Not before. Remember?
RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
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Eh, we'll see. Spectacle (mostly) sells and this at least promises that. I don't think DP3 is heralding a return to capeshit as king (rather the last bursts of gas out of a decomposing corpse) but maybe I'm wrong. I am impressed that we have gotten almost 50(!?!?) of these films in the past 15 years or so, if you throw in the MCU and DC stuff. Crazy pace and they really have dominated the box office and mind share. But I think we are seeing some serious burnout as they exhaust all the mainline characters and the audience really needs a break.
Trogdor1123
Member
I rewatched the trailer and take it back. This looks pretty terrible.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Mate. What you’ve inadvertently done there is describe a far more interesting character than Sam, that would have made for a far more compelling Captain America.
Doom85
Member
Thank you, that added a lot of value and insight to the conversation.
It also just makes it even more obvious why Steve chose Sam. Like, do you want Steve written as an out-of-character asshole at the end of Endgame and go, “you know what, fuck you and your current mental and public perception issues, Bucky, take this shield!” just to have a supposedly more interesting story?
Like, we haven’t even seen this movie. Sam has been Captain America for exactly one episode which was also dealing with following Bucky, John Walker, the Flagsmashers, etc. You can’t know for sure what they do with Sam in this movie is less interesting than a basic description of “Bucky/Winter Solider is exposed as Captain America, and there is a scandal”.
I assume you weren’t using Deaf’s first paragraph as reason why Bucky should have been chosen. You know, I’m more likely to believe Sam could survive an encounter with Red Hulk than I could believe Steve Rogers would treat his best friend Bucky like that by knowing all that and still handing him that shield.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Steve gives Sam shield. Sam dies in Falcon & Winter Soldier. Bucky takes shield reluctantly. More interesting character and story.
Doom85
Member
Great, just fridge Sam and follow a miserable Bucky. Totally not a tired trope.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Good lord, you just can't accept anything that doesn't toe the line of what you want from a Disney movie, can you?
Sam Wilson is a pretty bland character. Bucky Barnes is not. There's far more story mileage and interest in a flawed character like Bucky than there is in Mr Goodie Two Shoes Sam. Maybe if they hadn't decided to make Sam a pontificating idiot in the last thing he was in, things might be different, but they did. If you want to discuss a tired trope in modern movies then a character like Sam Wilson is certainly it. Bucky is just better as a protagonist, due to the trauma he's had inflicted on him, and inflicted on others.
Doom85
Member
I found Sam to be compelling to follow in FatWS as he struggles with accepting the mantle, discovering the full history of the mantle during Steve’s time being frozen, figuring out how to deal with the situation with the Flagsmashers (pontificating? Yeah, sorry if I think Sam has a point that the idea of countless people dying and then coming back to life and this causing discussions of relocation should be worth seeking a compromise over rather than almost instantly resorting to, “no, fuck you all, you’re now homeless because you didn’t magically know the Blip could be undone.”), and building his bond with Bucky.
Sorry if I don’t find it to be an interesting idea that Sam barely accomplishes anything as Cap and just gets offed* to push another character as Cap. They didn’t do that with Steve. They shouldn’t do it with Sam either.
You’re the one who can’t accept that and had to use the “don’t ask questions, just consume media” card earlier. Which ironically contradicts what you’re accusing me of now. Do I not ask questions and just consume, or do I call out stories I don’t like? You can’t have both.
Offing a character just to up the angst for another character is a tired trope, good lord it got so out of hand in comics for a while that comic writer Gail Simone coined the phrase “fridging” (mocking the infamously edgy Green Lantern comic where Kyle Rayner finds his girlfriend’s corpse in his refrigerator) to call it out and thankfully most writers stopped doing it and even when they did, the fan backlash would usually undo it pretty quickly.
*in fact, your idea sounds similar to how Stephanie Brown was treated as Robin in the Batman comics. Started off as Spoiler, got to become the fourth Robin after Tim Drake, then the new writer turned her into an emotional idiot and got her killed off after being Robin for a number of issues you could count with one hand, and the fan backlash was severe so the writers rapidly retconned the death so Leslie Thompkins actually faked her death and Stephanie went on to become Batgirl in the beloved 2009-2011 Batgirl run.
To be clear, I have disliked most other cases of fridging in the MCU. Gamora’s death felt like it made her character arc meaningless (find a new family, find a way to kill or at least stay away from her abusive “father”, all ultimately meaningless when Thanos kills her anyway and she dies alone. Glad we spent three movies with her to end on that note, yaaaaay’). Loki and Heimdall just felt like overkill in adding to Thor’s angst, losing both parents and the Warriors Three wasn’t enough for him? Oh wait, the writers forgot the latter were even his friends. Vision’s death at least felt unavoidable due to the Stone he possessed. Natasha’s and especially Tony’s deaths at least felt like the writers truly cared about having their characters end on a meaningful note.
Like, dude, I’m “sorry” that I care about the comics. I’m “sorry” that knowing the sort of stories they’ve had over the decades has made me opinionated on what works and what doesn’t, how to respect the source material, etc. I’m not going to change my mindset on that, anymore than a fan of Tolkien’s writing should change their mindset towards Rings of Powers’ writing quality with a, “good lord, you just can’t accept anything that doesn’t toe the line of what you want from a Tolkien adaptation, can you?” If someone thinks something is a bad story or disrespects the source material, they’re going to say as such. This should not be a hot take.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Chat GPT, please tell us all why Bucky Barnes makes a better Captain America:
Here’s why Bucky’s background and character traits could position him as a worthy successor to Steve Rogers:
1. A Redemption Arc
Bucky’s story is heavily defined by his past as the Winter Soldier, and becoming Captain America could serve as a capstone in his journey toward redemption. Where Steve was the “man out of time,” Bucky represents the man trying to break free from a brutal past, making him a unique and emotionally charged choice to take up the shield. Bearing the title of Captain America could allow Bucky to channel his difficult history into a positive legacy, showing that even the most broken can become symbols of hope.2. Intimate Connection with Steve Rogers
Bucky’s friendship with Steve dates back to the 1930s, making him one of the few people who truly understood Steve’s values and the sacrifices he made. Unlike Sam, who shares some ideological alignment with Steve, Bucky knew Steve on a deeply personal level, sharing childhood experiences, battles, and hardships. This shared history would give Bucky a unique perspective on carrying Steve’s legacy forward, preserving Steve’s values with a level of insight that only someone who grew up with him could possess.3. Military Training and Combat Skills
Bucky was an elite soldier in his own right during World War II, and as the Winter Soldier, he became a highly skilled, relentless fighter. His extensive combat experience, especially as a super-soldier, would give him a practical advantage in physically protecting others as Captain America. This training isn’t just about combat effectiveness; it’s about understanding the mindset of a soldier, having respect for duty, and understanding what it means to defend one’s country—all traits essential to being Captain America.4. Embodies the Journey from Villain to Hero
Captain America has always symbolized ideals and values of redemption, resilience, and the capacity for change. Bucky’s history as an antagonist who finds redemption mirrors these values. Just as Steve represented the best of America’s aspirational virtues, Bucky could represent America’s journey toward reckoning with its darker past, emphasizing growth, transformation, and hope. His journey could serve as a powerful symbol to audiences that even those with painful histories can change, find redemption, and dedicate themselves to justice.5. Experience with Leadership
While Sam has strong leadership skills, Bucky has had to take command in combat situations multiple times, both during WWII and as a super-soldier. With a wealth of experience in high-stakes scenarios, he knows how to make difficult decisions quickly and deal with complex tactical situations. As Captain America, Bucky’s decisions would likely be informed by his vast battlefield experience, and he’d bring a certain edge and pragmatism to the role that’s in line with the grit and resilience he has shown throughout his life.6. Deep Commitment to Justice and Loyalty
Bucky’s relationship with Steve was defined by loyalty, and he has repeatedly shown that he will fight for what he believes is right. His commitment to doing good, even after the trauma and mind control he endured, underscores his dedication to protecting others. Bucky as Captain America would reflect a deep-seated dedication to defending justice, loyalty, and resilience. This dedication to justice makes him a natural fit to embody the mantle of Captain America.7. Super-Soldier Physique and Physical Capabilities
Physically, Bucky is a super-soldier, a trait that matches the original Captain America’s superhuman abilities. His super-soldier physique would allow him to endure physical demands and challenges that Sam, as a human without enhancements, might find more difficult. Bucky’s physical capabilities, enhanced resilience, and strength would enable him to carry out the duties of Captain America at a similar level of stamina and physical intensity as Steve.8. Relatability Through Trauma and Recovery
Bucky’s story of trauma, struggle with identity, and road to recovery could make him highly relatable to a wide range of people who have had to deal with their own pasts and seek redemption. As Captain America, he could provide a unique perspective that resonates with those who struggle with self-forgiveness and redemption, showing that even the darkest experiences can lead to positive transformation.9. Symbolism of Forgiveness and Moving Forward
Bucky’s story illustrates themes of self-acceptance, forgiveness, and resilience, which could give Captain America a modern, nuanced, and layered identity. His journey from Winter Soldier to Captain America would embody America’s ongoing process of grappling with its mistakes, learning from them, and ultimately moving forward. His role could inspire others to understand that embracing the future involves reconciling with, but not being defined by, the past.In summary, Bucky’s unique combination of combat experience, personal history with Steve, super-soldier capabilities, and his journey from darkness to redemption could make him a powerful, multifaceted Captain America. He would bring a complex and emotionally resonant narrative to the role, serving as a symbol of resilience, growth, and second chances.
Doom85
Member
Sorry, couldn’t figure out how to copy/paste as I never use this thing, but since you are clearly done with having a conversation with me and don’t want to address my points about how fridging is a tired trope, how your accusations towards me are contradictory, why I find Sam compelling as a lead, why a fan of the source material cares about how it is adapted, etc., I see you’re done talking and just want to play games now.
bitbydeath
Member
Fridging trope is about women…
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Gemini, please tell us why Sam is a better fit for Captain America:
Sam Wilson, aka Falcon, makes a compelling case for being a better Captain America than Bucky Barnes for several reasons:
* Symbolism: As a Black man, Sam Wilson embodies the ideals of diversity and inclusion that America strives for. His ascension to the role of Captain America sends a powerful message about representation and breaking down barriers.
* Relatability: Sam's journey from a regular guy to a superhero is more relatable to the average person than Bucky's traumatic past as the Winter Soldier. This makes him a more accessible and inspiring figure.
* Moral Compass: Sam possesses a strong moral compass and a commitment to justice. He's shown to be a compassionate and empathetic leader, qualities that are essential for a true hero.
* Fresh Perspective: Sam brings a fresh perspective to the role of Captain America. He's not bound by the legacy of the past, allowing him to approach challenges with a modern mindset.
While Bucky Barnes is a formidable character with a rich history, his troubled past and complex nature make him a more divisive figure. Sam Wilson, on the other hand, offers a more hopeful and unifying vision for the future.
Doom85
Member
Its original use, you are correct, but the term evolved over time to include any gender and also not just limit it to killing a character, but also sexually assaulting, torturing, depowering, etc. and making it not about the victim and how they’re affected by it and move forward from there (assuming they weren’t killed but had one or more of the latter horrors I listed inflicted upon them) but rather the character we’re following and how they were affected by the horrors the other character experienced.
Stuffed into the Fridge - TV Tropes
When a loved one is hurt, killed, maimed, assaulted, or otherwise traumatized in order to motivate another character or move their plot forward. The term (sometimes referred to as "fridging") was popularized by comic book writer Gail Simone …
tvtropes.org
bitbydeath
Member
Sounds a bit out of control.Its original use, you are correct, but the term evolved over time to include any gender and also not just limit it to killing a character, but also sexually assaulting, torturing, depowering, etc. and making it not about the victim and how they’re affected by it and move forward from there (assuming they weren’t killed but had one or more of the latter horrors I listed inflicted upon them) but rather the character we’re following and how they were affected by the horrors the other character experienced.
Stuffed into the Fridge - TV Tropes
When a loved one is hurt, killed, maimed, assaulted, or otherwise traumatized in order to motivate another character or move their plot forward. The term (sometimes referred to as "fridging") was popularized by comic book writer Gail Simone …
Basically killing anyone is now considered fridging. I can’t agree that it’s a tired trope.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
That's not what he said tho.
Using a character in a way to give the main character angst or some form of trauma BECAUSE something horrible happened to a loved one ... That's what he's talking about.
bitbydeath
Member
Which is anytime a good guy dies.
Even Spider-Man dying in front of Tony Stark would fit that definition.
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