I love Tarantino but agree with him that Tarantino is overrated in that consistency wise he’s kind of all over the place.
Having said that, unlike Nolan, Tarantino had a huge influence on the industry. Pulp Fiction was insanely influential. Pretty much created his own genre during the period of time when everyone was trying copy that style. Same thing happened with Kill Bill (to a much lesser extent). Red Letter Media has covered this.
I think you got confused. I was agreeing with you on the Tarantino point. I was disagreeing with the person who you quoted.I never said Tarantino has not been a huge influence in the film industry. Anybody with a remote interest in films know this.
But saying Nolan is one of the most overrated directors alive today, plus suggesting he's not had an influence on the film industry, is not just an unpopular opinion, but also factually incorrect.
Him and Tarantino.
I'm hesitant to make such bold claims about Robert Eggers, and Eggers is a much better director than Nolan will ever be.
What I said is that Nolan didn't "steer" the film industry and I'll stand by that.
easily the most overrated director to ever live
You might have quoted me before seeing my edit, but here is my edit:I think that's enough of the shit takes today. There is only so many GAF can handle.
No, what you said is this:
That's a bit different, no?
I think you got confused. I was agreeing with you on the Tarantino point. I was disagreeing with the person who you quoted.
I also don't disagree that Nolan had an influence on the film industry. Even terrible shit like Happy Madison Productions have had an influence in the industry.
What I said is that Nolan didn't "steer" the film industry and I'll stand by that. Directors who are able to do that are exceptionally uncommon. In the last 20 or so years, the only new director who I've heard people provide decent arguments re: him steering the industry is Eggers. His first film, The Witch, had more polish than 99.9% of films seasoned directors release and some have argued he is largely to thank for the horror Renaissance.
I'm hesitant to make such bold claims about Robert Eggers, and Eggers is a much better director than Nolan will ever be.
I agree with all of this. One of the reasons I was particularly hesitant to give such accolades to Eggers alone is due to the simple fact that Ari Aster exists.The modern horror renaissance began with The Conjuring by James Wan. Coming off of the absolute worst decade for American horror films (the 2000’s) made it stand out as a film that actually scared its audience rather than trying to gross them out by making them sick with torture porn or bore them out by being a Paranormal Activity film. It’s simple, and many of the notable horror films of the decade to now would get more complex with psychological themes and such, but it paved the way. To be clear, I’m not talking about quality here, this is about what began the rise from the garbage era the genre had been in in the US, similar to how X-men 1 and Spider-man 1 were hardly among the best superhero films but were still major factors as they helped dig the genre out of the pit that Batman Forever/& Robin had thrown it in.
Eggers’ The Witch definitely got the ball rolling on the psychological horror trend but I would say it was Hereditary that truly cemented modern horror’s general style. A film so acclaimed that many were extremely frustrated it was overlooked by the Oscars and Golden Globes and very few people had made that sort of complaint about a horror film in a long time. Admittedly, that was due to not just the directing, but also Toni Collette’s performance (though the whole cast is solid). It’s telling I’ve seen quite a few “first time watching” reactions to the film, and nearly half of them will remark when it reaches the dinner scene with a “oh, this must be the scene everyone talks about”. You know a film is doing something right if it only made 80 million at the box office and yet in only a few years has gained that noteworthy of a reputation.
You might have quoted me before seeing my edit, but here is my edit:
EDIT: I think a point that you and others are missing is that myself and other have observed that Nolan fans are a weird bunch of folks who make insanely ridiculous claims about Nolan all the time. Whether that be that Interstellar is the GOAT even though its basically brain rot where the literal end and point of the movie is that "LooOVvvEEeeeE wAss ThE AnsWeR AlL AloNG!!!!!" or making stupid claims that he is steering the industry. It's become a meme at this point.
Although I think from your above post you're actually suggesting that Nolan is a better director than Eggers?
If that's the case dude, I really don't have much I can tell you. I find that pretty shocking though. But yeah I don't see any reason to talk to you about films anymore.
I never claimed to not be unhinged. Does this mean that you're willing to agree Nolan fans are weird?That's funny. You claim Nolan fans are unhinged, yet you came into this thread with a drive by dig at Nolan. You didn't even give context to your statement or discuss the future film. It was just "easily the most overrated director to ever live" and that's it.
Slightly unhinged if you ask me.
Nope. Not what I was suggesting at all. I said your comment was a shit take. You said you were hesitant to make bold claims about Eggers, but then said Eggers is a better director than Nolan will ever be. That's a pretty bold claim, Sir.
They're both great directors. There isn't some film directors league table. If there were, we both know that Martin Scorsese would be at the top anyway.
I never claimed to not be unhinged. Does this mean that you're willing to agree Nolan fans are weird?
Unlike a director's influence on the industry, my personal taste is a matter of opinion. I know you love Nolan A LOT, but you need to be able to accept that others, such as myself, do not like any of Nolan's films and do not believe he will ever be as good as Eggers. We are talking about film which is art, so there is implicit subjectivity which you should acknowledge. I at least understand your viewpoint. I disagree, but I understand it. You seem to think my opinion is somehow "factually incorrect", which is silly because this is art which involves the world of opinion. This also further proves my point that Nolan fans get very weird about Nolan.
They're both not great directors. Eggers is. Nolan isn't. Obviously this is opinion, but this is my opinion.
If you think my drive by comment about Nolan makes me unhinged, It think it just reveals how weird your man crush on Nolan is. You finding the need to defend him like a cuck is kinda hilarious lol. Why did my comment bother you so much? You sound like the triggered folks on the other board dude. It's just a passing comment about a millionaire director.Yeah. Sure. Whatever you like.
I don't love Nolan "A LOT", but as a film buff I know a good director when I see their films. Saying that Nolan isn't great is, of course, your own personal opinion, but it's an opinion that is factually incorrect. All the stats point to Nolan being one of the best in the industry. That's a fact.
Again, we're talking about being "weird", but you're the one who dived into this thread to have a drive by dig at Nolan. That's weird and honestly a little unhinged.
Nolan takes art house high concept films and makes 150+ million dollar well received films out of them. Virtually no other director can accomplish this (villeneuve is getting there) so all those wacky expensive films are almost all due to Nolan repetitively showing that they CAN be successful. He did for the 2010s what Spielberg did for the 80's.I think you got confused. I was agreeing with you on the Tarantino point. I was disagreeing with the person who you quoted.
I also don't disagree that Nolan had an influence on the film industry. Even terrible shit like Happy Madison Productions have had an influence on the industry.
What I said is that Nolan didn't "steer" the film industry and I'll stand by that. Directors who are able to do that are exceptionally uncommon. In the last 20 or so years, the only new director who I've heard people provide decent arguments re: him steering the industry is Eggers. His first film, The Witch, had more polish than 99.9% of films seasoned directors release and some have argued he is largely to thank for the horror Renaissance.
I'm hesitant to make such bold claims about Robert Eggers, and Eggers is a much better director than Nolan will ever be.
EDIT: I think a point that you and others are missing is that myself and other have observed that Nolan fans are a weird bunch of folks who make insanely ridiculous claims about Nolan all the time. Whether that be that Interstellar is the GOAT even though its basically brain rot where the literal end and point of the movie is that "LooOVvvEEeeeE wAss ThE AnsWeR AlL AloNG!!!!!" or making stupid claims that he is steering the industry. It's become a meme at this point.
You lost me brother. Again, this is largely opinion, but I believe not only does Villeneuve do this, he does it much, much, much better than Nolan.Nolan takes art house high concept films and makes 150+ million dollar well received films out of them. Virtually no other director can accomplish this (villeneuve is getting there) so all those wacky expensive films are almost all due to Nolan repetitively showing that they CAN be successful. He did for the 2010s what Spielberg did for the 80's.
trying to find this damn article but I read something recently that actually argued the Matrix and Ridley Scott opened the door for this, not Nolan of VilleneuveNolan takes art house high concept films and makes 150+ million dollar well received films out of them. Virtually no other director can accomplish this (villeneuve is getting there) so all those wacky expensive films are almost all due to Nolan repetitively showing that they CAN be successful. He did for the 2010s what Spielberg did for the 80's.
Sure, NOW. But Villeneuve exists because Nolan paved the way for him (and others did it before Nolan). STEERING, i.e. keeping the concept alive and well.You lost me brother. Again, this is largely opinion, but I believe not only does Villeneuve do this, he does it much, much, much better than Nolan.
I can recognize I'm a bit biased here maybe as Villeneuve is one of my favorite directors.
Nothing is ever the solitary achievement of one man.trying to find this damn article but I read something recently that actually argued the Matrix and Ridley Scott opened the door for this, not Nolan of Villeneuve
I mean if you are arguing Nolan made it more financially viable for people like Villeneuve, sure I agree with that. As I don't consider that influencing any film or director.Sure, NOW. But Villeneuve exists because Nolan paved the way for him (and others did it before Nolan). STEERING, i.e. keeping the concept alive and well.
Hollywood lost its way with capeshit for a good decade there, hopefully these guys can get us back on course.
If you think my drive by comment about Nolan makes me unhinged, It think it just reveals how weird your man crush on Nolan is. You finding the need to defend him like a cuck is kinda hilarious lol. Why did my comment bother you so much? You sound like the triggered folks on the other board dude. It's just a passing comment about a millionaire director.
Here is more context though, I think you quoted me after I made the edit:
EDIT: To add more context for you if you really want to know, the reason I felt confident sharing my opinion that Nolan will never be as good as Eggers is simple: Eggers filmography from the start was much better than Nolan's, and in my opinion Nolan's films are only getting worse as time goes on. Based on this, it is actually very reasonable for me to say that I don't believe Nolan will ever be as good as Eggers. Compare their first films, compare how much Eggers was able to do in a much shorter time, then add in my opinion that Nolan's films are only getting worse. What you get is my belief that Nolan will never be better than Eggers. Nolan has been doing this much longer yet still can't make films as good as Eggers. I'm curious why you think Nolan will somehow surpass Eggers?
Eggers isn't even in my top 5 greatest directors list dude. His repertoire is way too small for me to even put him anywhere near that.Lol.
Calm yourself down.
This thread is about Nolan's next project. You came in with a drive by hit. I stated your opinion was factually incorrect. I'm not bending over backwards to defend Nolan, but simply saying your post was a little odd.
Why are you so desperate for Eggers to be considered the GOAT. He's great. Just like Nolan. I'm not the one comparing the two.
Calm down. I'm sure Eggers doesn't need a defence force.
I said Nolan steered THE INDUSTRY. His films redefined the superhero film for a stretch, his use of practical effects and high concept narratives with large budgets and critically and financially successful films, over and over and over are what sustained the environment that allowed other directors to do the same thing. Even Oppenheimer showed that biopics of otherwise fairly dull topics can be MASSIVE if presented correctly.I mean if you are arguing Nolan made it more financially viable for people like Villeneuve, sure I agree with that. As I don't consider that influencing any film or director.
I don't think you are arguing he influenced Villeneuve's filmmaking though? As I would very much disagree with that.
I don't watch superhero films so fine that might be possible. fair enough.I said Nolan steered THE INDUSTRY. His films redefined the superhero film for a stretch, his use of practical effects and high concept narratives with large budgets and critically and financially successful films, over and over and over are what sustained the environment that allowed other directors to do the same thing. Even Oppenheimer showed that biopics of otherwise fairly dull topics can be MASSIVE if presented correctly.
To downplay the influence of Nolan on the current Hollywood landscape is a bizarre and nonsensical take, even if his films don't speak to you (and they don't much with me, really) its UNDENIABLE that he was a CRITICAL player.
Eggers isn't even in my top 5 greatest directors list dude. His repertoire is way too small for me to even put him anywhere near that.
Me thinking he is better than Nolan is more of a reflection of how terrible Nolan is.
The Northman was my least favorite film from him. I haven't seen Nosferatu yet. Given that the last film I saw from him was my least favorite, and I haven't seen his more recent, that's another reason I'm less crazy about him.Saying you think Nolan is terrible is your opinion. You've now added some context to your statement rather than leaving it as a drive by. I respect that. It's not what the majority of the public and critics believe, but it's your personal opinion to own.
I personally prefer Nolan post Dark Knight trilogy to Eggers, but that's only because Nolan's films are a bit more original and daring. I also love the theme of time woven into his films.
Eggers last two films didn't get my memenr throbbing. The Northman was very good, but I've seen this story played out many times (The Lion King, Hamlet etc). I also loved Nosferatu, but didn't think it was his best work. It was okay considering it's a remake of a Dracula rip off.
His next film is a big departure from his usual fare. A sequel to the 1986 Jim Henson children's classic Labyrinth. I'm a big fan of the original, but I'm not sure it needs a sequel and I really can't see Eggers being the best fit to direct this. Not really an inspirational film to get behind and is very much a safe, studio project.
Ya'll just tossing around those hot takes like candy, ain't yah?
I think those three directors, regardless if you like their films, have a distinct signature and have produced some indelible and enduring films.
Though I think Nolan is the least rewatchable of those three, his ideas and techniques steer the industry.
His first film Bad Taste was amazing and he peaked in 1992 with Braindead.Oh I like Tarantino and Nolan but Jackson on the other hand..
Now you are dissing the guy who brought us LOTR?Oh I like Tarantino and Nolan but Jackson on the other hand..
I like to think that was all studio execs fucking it up. I certainly think some creatives need boundaries and limitations in order to really push their craft, I also think that sometimes the studios just ask too much. A 2 film Hobbit minus all the unnecessary non-Hobbit stuff and "women talking", plus the time to do more practical stuff and none of that god awful HFR 3D crap would have rivaled LOTR in impact and led to all sorts of cool stories from the Silmarillion.His first film Bad Taste was amazing and he peaked in 1992 with Braindead.
do people actually think Jackson is an amazing director though? I thought the Hobbit films are universally hated, even by LOTR nerds.
His first film Bad Taste was amazing and he peaked in 1992 with Braindead.
do people actually think Jackson is an amazing director though? I thought the Hobbit films are universally hated, even by LOTR nerds.
Now you are dissing the guy who brought us LOTR?
Good grief, he set the template for these big epics so well even he couldnt do it twice![]()
Yes, he has a history of working with the same actors over and over. Page was never a good actor though, easily the worst part of Inception.He worked with her/him already, that's pretty normal tbh.
Hard Candy showed she had real chops, IMHO. But Nolan struggles with certain actors, they gotta be REAL bombastic to overcome his dialogue and filming style and she wasn't that.Yes, he has a history of working with the same actors over and over. Page was never a good actor though, easily the worst part of Inception.
True but I find it funny how LOTR is the only films that people love from him. Those are his most boring films.
Fucking lol. Some of the takes in this thread are scandalous. Nolan is shit. LOTR films are bottom of the barrel from Peter Jackson. Braindead being better than LOTR!
Some of you just need to admit you have poor taste and be done with it.