ManaByte
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Nintendo is the richest company in Japan with zero debt. They aren’t laying off a thousand people and closing studios.
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CNBC — Can The Sony PlayStation Remain The Top-Selling Gaming Console?
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Most of Nintendo's 1P best-sellers are about par with Sony's when it comes to units moved. I.e games like Fire Emblem and Metroid Dread are performing about as good if actually less unit-wise than Rift Apart despite being on a system with much higher install base.
Yes Nintendo has the Smash Bros. and Mario Karts doing 50+ million numbers but that's the exception among Nintendo's stuff. Most of their 1P that do big, which aren't BOTW/TOTK do between 10-20 million tops.
Who's making up this narrative that Sony "can't make smaller games"? Because their fans won't accept it? Who exactly among their fans? I'm pretty sure OG PlayStation fans would more than want AA smaller titles to come back. It's only the dudebro COD-obsessed newer hardcore who would probably be less accepting of those titles, but why should they matter?
If Sony made more of the less cinematic AA style games they'd still be appeasing a good chunk of their core fanbase and also attract new fans. There is arguably a more accepting and larger market for IP like Patapon, Gravity Rush etc. today than there was a decade ago or during the 7th generation.
I would agree with this.
MisterXDTV
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Exactly, people seem to forget that to stay relevant Nintendo had to squeeze its "home+portable" console business. to just 1 console that does both
And that after they had already given up on the high-powered home console market after the GameCube flopped
Just compare that to the SNES+GameBoy era or even the Wii+DS era, I don't know how you can call that winning.
And we all know that the Switch successor won't repeat the same success of the original Switch, just like the Wii U flopped after the Wii
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StreetsofBeige
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Crazy. From PS1 start to around 2014, Sony's gaming division collectively was around breakeven eyeballing it. All the profits they made during PS1 and PS2 got drained by PS3. It wasnt until 2015 when things really picked up in terms of profits. That's when gamers started really transitioning to digital downloads, MTX hit gaming hard on every platform, and PS gamers paying for PS4 MP online was in full swing.Makes me laughs when clueless people says Sony caused Nintendo to steer away from traditional console.
Nintendo is a trend-setter by vocation, in fact their unique hardware/software integration is cited left and right when Nintendo explains why they are so successful.
Their business strives by introducing novel concepts that differ from the past.
When Nintendo imposed the d-pad with the introduction of the Famicom/NES what was perceived as the tradition was the crappy joysticks from Atari and others console makers of the time before.
Detractors use the term 'tradition' thinking to belittle Nintendo when Nintendo couldn't care less about previously set standards (instead Nintendo very much cares about 'legacy').
And yet Nintendo outprofiting PlayStation (SIE/SCE) is a constant through decades (with a couple exceptions) and not a spotty occurrence.
Since 2019 (before covid hit the fan skewing sales and profits for lots of companies), their annual profit has plateaued despite sales increasing. Going by the charts, Sony's gaming division was more profitable in 2019 than now.
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LordOcidax
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Gaf experts are the best… lol. Never fail.
Topher
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Doesn't matter. This doesn't look like sales numbers of a company that has been defeated.
IR Information : Sales Data - Dedicated Video Game Sales Units
www.nintendo.co.jp
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Impotaku
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Oh now you pissed the plumber off
Ai never fails
Generate an image with mario stepping on shit
Dorfdad
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Who can actually challenge Sony going forward? Nintendo do can to a degree but they won’t chase high end but Nintendo do having a 4k / 60 solutions would be a major player in converting AAA gamers. Mario/COD/GTA all on a single system would be hard to pass up.
Microsoft will come out with another generation of consoles / but I think they are going to become a developer/publisher like a bigger EA.
They have one console left in them just to appease current customers. But their future looks to be cloud based though they have t really shown us their cards yet.
Apple could be a player but apple much like Nintendo plays their own game and rules.
They could reposition the Apple TV into a media center / game console easily but I don’t feel they have anyone onboard who is vested in gaming or cares that much outside monetization.
With an M3 chip and storage the Apple TV could become a real gaming console, I just don’t see them caring enough to get AAA developers to invest in them.
So who does that leave? Tencent? They own a ton of IP’s but nothing that would make you only buy their platform.
This all is very bad for gaming as a whole as Sony will 100% not push for bleeding edge in consoles and instead become very Apple like. Minimal spec bump as they have no real competition.
Who can challenge them and how?
Microsoft will come out with another generation of consoles / but I think they are going to become a developer/publisher like a bigger EA.
They have one console left in them just to appease current customers. But their future looks to be cloud based though they have t really shown us their cards yet.
Apple could be a player but apple much like Nintendo plays their own game and rules.
They could reposition the Apple TV into a media center / game console easily but I don’t feel they have anyone onboard who is vested in gaming or cares that much outside monetization.
With an M3 chip and storage the Apple TV could become a real gaming console, I just don’t see them caring enough to get AAA developers to invest in them.
So who does that leave? Tencent? They own a ton of IP’s but nothing that would make you only buy their platform.
This all is very bad for gaming as a whole as Sony will 100% not push for bleeding edge in consoles and instead become very Apple like. Minimal spec bump as they have no real competition.
Who can challenge them and how?
nani17
are in a big trouble
PleazureDome
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Of course Nintendo makes more money on their games because graphically it looks like it cost a $1.50 to make and I can play them on my Swatch. Candy Crush probably has more Fidelity.
* $1.50 USD = 1.37 EUR
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Impotaku
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Ah man a missed oppertunity it could have been 900. Sony called them layoffs but the truth is now out LOLNo this is live footage
S0ULZB0URNE
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Different productsDoesn't matter. This doesn't look like sales numbers of a company that has been defeated.
IR Information : Sales Data - Dedicated Video Game Sales Units
www.nintendo.co.jp
tmlDan
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LordOcidax
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If is that easy… why Sony is not being as profitable as Nintendo?
Impotaku
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Here's a thread full of GAF experts it got so embarassing with how spot on they all were they had to lock the thread.
www.neogaf.com
Betting time: Do you think the Switch will be a success?
I always love to retrospectively read GAF's prediction threads and see how many crows are being served, the thread placing WiiU/XB first and Sony disappearing or failing with the PS4 before this gen started is so much fun! So now that we have enough details about the price, specs, launch line...
Physiognomonics
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I won't read that shit but Sony certainly didn't beat Nintendo.
Ogbert
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I love the way you just casually forget to mention the Wii and Switch.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Because they weren't focused on cutting costs until Totoki intervened
tmlDan
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Where did i say it's easy, i said it's easier.
You can cut costs buy closing studios, reducing employee count, forcing a reduction in studio spending, reducing timelines with better production timelines and smaller games and still raking in third party revenue alongside subs and first party releases.
It's not easy, but its easier than convincing a younger, more casual audiences to spend more money on mtx and investing in games like Sony does. That's why third party games do pretty poorly (in comparison) on nintendo systems but mario kart sells 50 million. They also have a very poor online infrastructure and a poor sub service.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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That's like saying the 3rd place Xbox 360 beat wii and PS3 because it had the most NA sales.
Nobody said Nintendo isn't doing right.
Portable gaming is huge in Japan and Japan isn't close to the biggest gaming market.
Ogbert
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By the same logic, Nintendo eviscerated Sony in the handheld market such that Sony have all but left the market. They have brushed them aside in Japan and their first party games continue to dominate when rarely, if ever, discounted.
NeoGaf has this weird obsession with trying to claim that handhelds don't count.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Sony left the handheld market because of Sony, not Nintendo
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I'm talking about Nintendo's top-sellers so why are bringing up Fire Emblem? Look at the 10 best-selling Nintendo 1st-party on Switch vs the top Sony's top 10 on PS4. Sony gets utterly embarrassed.
When they actually make more smaller games, maybe this would be valid. As of now, Sony's budgets have ballooned up so much they're looking for more ways to monetize them and have taken to porting their games to PC, something Nintendo never even entertained. It's telling when Pokémon S/V was outselling Ragnarok, and Super Mario Bros Wonder was outselling Spider-Man 2. Nintendo's games probably had 10% of the budget of Sony's games.
Then they need to bring more of them. Those $200M games taking 5-8 years to develop can't just keep increasing in time and money.
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Ogbert
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Nah.
They left the handheld market for the exact same reason that Nintendo moved away from powerful home consoles.
Both decided to focus on their strengths.
LordOcidax
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Who is doing a better Job?
Ogbert
Member
Impossible to say.
From a purely financial point of view, I think Nintendo are in a more comfortable position.
Sony face more challenges, simply from how volatile and competitive their corner of the industry is. To say nothing of the eye watering cost of Western AAA game development.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Lol bullshit. Their strength was the same traditional console as Xbox and PS until it no longer wasnt
Ogbert
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Wrong, again.
Their strength has always been the best games. They've worked out the best way to get as many people as possible to play those games.
Sony conceded handhelds as their games require more power than on offer. It's why the portal is a streaming device.
Ass of Can Whooping
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We're talking about selling hardware, not games.
S0ULZB0URNE
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As far as hardware...Sony whooped them so bad they had to start the gimmicks to be successful.
I wish Nintendo wasn't so scared and came back with a HOME CONSOLE that had comparable specs and a comparable online component.
I honestly rather the above than what Sony offers as I like Nintendo’s IP's more.
Ogbert
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The two are inextricably linked.
No one buys MS consoles because their games suck ass.
Nintendo first party titles do not require the graphical horsepower that Sony titles do. The Wii was a toaster with a dildo wand attached to it, but you still got Mario Galaxy. Handhelds were clearly the natural place for their games, as the companies DNA rests in IPs that can take advantage of the format.
Sony IPs, in contrast, look to push technology as much as gaming. Hence their operating costs.
ChorizoPicozo
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they did alongside xbox. N64 and Game Cube lost market share.
S0ULZB0URNE
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We can't leave out the wii u...
March Climber
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That's the alternate reality where Captain America: Civil War is a 5 minute conversation between Tony and Steve with this ending:
MisterXDTV
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Absolutely true, Sony left the handheld market because Nintendo killed them with the 3DS vs Vita
But let's not rewrite history here
Nintendo has had the top selling portable console since 1989 and its importance in the Nintendo business was WAY more what it ever was for Playstation
To stay relevant they had to "merge" the home console with the portable console, something they never had to do from 1989 to 2017
You can say that it was because of the advancements in technology, but the reality is a dedicated Nintendo home console would have flopped hard compared to Playstation just like the GameCube and the Wii U did.
Now it will be interesting to see what happens with a Switch 2 or whatever it's called. But again, a lightning never strikes twice in the same place.....
ChorizoPicozo
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when you look at the downward trend between N64>Wii>WiiU the slope fits perfectly. so I wonder if the rise of mobile was also a contributor.
Codes 208
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Kings Field
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Give me a Sony console with their games, Xbox UI, high end PC power, and Nintendo Games and portability please and thank you.
Unknown?
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It wasn't 3DS that killed the Vita, it was mobile. 3DS didn't do anywhere near its predecessor and had to slash the price heavily or of would have suffered the same fate as the Vita.
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Bonfires Down
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Switch 2 with hopefully a good number of third party ports is going to give Playstation a serious challenge.
MisterXDTV
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Yeah Mobile was also a factor but not the main reason:
Mobile improved a lot from 2011 to 2017 but the Switch sold very well for Nintendo.
Now the interesting question becomes: what can Nintendo bring to the table in 2025 to push almost all the Switch users to upgrade to a new system?
My opinion is that software alone with the same IPs they have been selling for 40 years won’t be enough as the hybrid console concept is not as exciting as it was in 2017.
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mayham2199
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Yep I did the same thing.