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- Thread starter The Dutch Slayer
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sooooooo are you guys gonna have a podcast?
Neuromancer
Member
It's like all the people in gaming I don't like, all in one place. Convenient.
The Albatross
Member
Pretty excited about this, mostly just for Justin & Griffin McElroy.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
I only know the name of the Kotaku guy and Arthur, and I despise Arthur enough to know this website will never be anything worth my time.
Giant Bomb am doomed.
Giant Bomb am doomed.
The_Darkest_Red
Member
Oh okay, that's good news. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out or anything.I only say that to try and keep you humble.
More Fun To Compute
Member
One thing is obvious. If publishers send you any swag other than a bog standard review copy of a game or pay for any trip anywhere or want you to review games in controlled environments then refuse and do not post about it.
realraptor
Member
In a few years, they'll split apart because it's not about games anymore...it's about hits-generating buzz-and lots of articles about whichever topic is hot [CoD, Apple].
The cycle continues when blogs go commercial.
The cycle continues when blogs go commercial.
Nailed my thoughts to a tee.
Where do the ad dollars come from that support the site? Almost completely gaming based. It's not necessarily aimed solely at you so much as the industry in general. It's not a new criticism. Hell, entire outlets (rip Crispy Gamer!) have sprung up in the attempt to survive without industry ad buys. As 1Up died, it was often a topic of discussion. For my money, the people inside the industry don't try to get away from that source of revenue if they don't feel it has some negative influence on the output of those involved.
Also, be honest, how many "games are art" stories are already in the hopper?
HamPster PamPster
Member
Arthur but no Anthony?
Does no one remember Chuf love!?
Does no one remember Chuf love!?
Metacritic shoulders some of the blame for this.
Talk of conspiracy theories regarding publisher pay offs always sounds like goofy spin to me, even though we know it happens elsewhere even if not with any of your sites personally. But if we are talking about perceptions, there's your problem. It comes down to trust at the end of the day. When I see a suspciciously glowing review for a game before its released on a Meta-listed site, a niggling feeling at the back of my mind always tells me to be cautious even if im not actively expecting the review has been "paid for".
Put it this way, i think it would be an incredibly bold and admirable move for a major site to launch in 2012 without review scores and without being Metacritic listed. If you want to talk about perceptions, that would help yours from the off.
EDIT: The point about advertising is largely the same as well.
The Dutch Slayer
Member
He is doing fine over at IGN.
And with the CB every week it seems like his work life is doing great now.
No need for new adventure.
What's CB?
Like the hat?
Banned
will read occasionally but continue getting 99% of my gaming info from GAF.
I love both McElroys though, so maybe GAF might drop to 98%.
I love both McElroys though, so maybe GAF might drop to 98%.
sixteen-bit
Member
and I found out about him thanks to yesterday's thread
Arthur but no Anthony?
Does no one remember Chuf love!?
Haha. That's amazing. What's that picture from?
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Deleted member 20415
Unconfirmed Member
Talented, talented dudes with a great journalistic stance and ethical compass.
I've had the pleasure of working closely with some of the guys over there and I am jazzed to see what they're up to.
Chris Grant (who I did not work with, but have met on a couple occasions) is a smart dude and his devotion to being impartial, disclosing gifts and trips and all the back door stuff, is admirable and should be commended.
Seriously, this is going to be a solid site... give them time to pull it all together.
I've had the pleasure of working closely with some of the guys over there and I am jazzed to see what they're up to.
Chris Grant (who I did not work with, but have met on a couple occasions) is a smart dude and his devotion to being impartial, disclosing gifts and trips and all the back door stuff, is admirable and should be commended.
Seriously, this is going to be a solid site... give them time to pull it all together.
Dr Frasier Crane
Member
I think further to that an even bolder move would be to wait until release, buy it retail and report on it from the perspective of a consumer. Specifically calling out bugs, broken online, bad install experiences.
When it's all roses and angels in reviews but you have to wait 20 mins to install and the online doesn't work it doesn't help perceptions.
How many did I write at Kotaku?
Cheers mate, listened to Rebel FM for ages and only lately did I just get bored of it, but Gamespy Debriefings on the other hand provided me with many laughs can't wait to listen to CB.
I've always donated all of my swag for charity. I've done an annual charity fundraiser every year for the last five or so with 100 percent of the proceeds going to Child's Play. (Tehcnically more, since I pay for any expenses out of pocket.)
The Big Rig
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The Comedy Button. There's a thread in OT.
Congrats to them on the new site, I look forward to reading it.
Dr Frasier Crane
Member
Full disclosure is the key. The review should be accompanied (as Kotaku did in part) by the format played on, how much was played (SP and MP), how the game was supplied, any special instructions from the Pub which may be different to the man in the street.
I want my games reviews to be similar to a proper test drive from a consumerist perspective. If there's bugs tell us, and don't be bloody afraid to dock points for it, it'd be like buying a new car that randomly has bits fall off or the engine cuts out or a panel's missing.
Also I would encourage re-reviews 3 months in once the usual wealth of patches has bedded down and the MP has tailed off, usually as I'm a cheapskate and don't buy games till after release.
Hot Coldman
Banned
The Dutch Slayer
Member
Please come join us in the thread on GAF its not big but its awesome and god the show is really really really funny.
Congratulations on another same-y lowbrow Gamesradar/Kotaku videogame site, internet.
I don't expect this to be anywhere near as professional as the content I read on The Verge/Wired/Ars.
I think one of my biggest problems with gaming press is that none of them seem to think critically, bother to have any technical knowledge, or have anything important to say in their editorials/reviews other than the hundredth variation on a consumer report ad.
I don't expect this to be anywhere near as professional as the content I read on The Verge/Wired/Ars.
I think one of my biggest problems with gaming press is that none of them seem to think critically, bother to have any technical knowledge, or have anything important to say in their editorials/reviews other than the hundredth variation on a consumer report ad.
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qizah
Unconfirmed Member
I don't see how this'll be any different than what Kotaku and Joystiq currently are. Do we need another one of those sites? Not really ...
I still like GiantBomb the best <3.
I still like GiantBomb the best <3.
Or to centralise all your annoyances in one easy-to-ignore location.
This is true. I need to start looking at the bright side of things.
mescalineeyes
Banned
Well, if The Verge is anything to go by, we know that at least it will be beautiful.
The Albatross
Member
I don't get the hate on Joystiq or the McElroy's. I think they're anything but lowbrow. Their humor is unusually pithy for videogame journalism.
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Deleted member 20415
Unconfirmed Member
100% agree.
I wrote a similar thing for a blog I contribute to. In reality its not feasible for a lot of sites to wait, but I would love to see a mainstream site review games outside of the embargoes, deadlines and pre-release rush. A website that reviews games from the consumers point of view, like you say, with the benefit of the same patch and online experience as everyone who reads the review.
You get that all the time with small independabt blogs, but id love to see a mainstream site follow suit. Like we've said, it would be a bold and brave move, but as a potential reader its an idea that would secure my future hits straight away.
Reviews are one of the many things we're going to be looking very closely at as we build this site. I think that's the thing some people here don't get (or maybe they don't care about it). This is a startup. It won't pop out on the Internet full formed. We have a lot of work ahead of us. This is a chance for folks like you here at NeoGaf to have a hand in creating something new.
We'll take all suggestions seriously... well maybe not all. I'm not planning on committing suicide or the like.
SuperSonic1305
Member
Not a single fuck was given that day.
Yeah it has nothing to do with the history of articles that these people wrote at their old places. I'm just jelly I can't write about games, you got me!
they got pretty stable jobs right now.
The last straw for me was one of their Joystiq podcasts earlier this year. They spent the entire time bitching and moaning, cynical, angry and sarcastic, and it became so bad I just turned it off and never listened to it again. After that experience I never want to hear or read anything they have to say ever again.
The Dutch Slayer
Member
Mangod over at Sony and JD is gamespot/Metacritic VP and Garnet is happy @ Gamefly.
they had many good segments and discussions. it depends on who's involved.
FrontalMonk
Banned
Very.
Hope you guys have some excellent reviews, the "3 months later" review idea sounds like a fantastic idea. If there's been one thing that I've noticed about a lot of games it's that their multiplayer, while fun, has a community that is almost completely barren in a matter of a few months, and that's worth noting. Also worth noting when a game is basically transformed through patches (big content patches and the like). I don't mean running a story on "Hey, Witcher 2.0 is out", I mean rereviewing the game, "then and now" style, how does it hold up, etc.
Best of luck, crecente, look forward to it!
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