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[frogger]

Yeah Devs don't agree with you. Just acknowledge PS5 as the superior console and buy one and feel peace inside you.

Not going to make premature decisions. But, I already own both. Didn't come here for war

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I already own both. Didn't come here for war.

Didn't say you were warring, you are just damage controlling and speculating things that aren't true. Devs have stated that the tools were great.

 

[spyshagg]

Your tag is very appropriate.

So is yours.

 

[frogger]

Didn't say you were warring, you are just damage controlling and speculating things that aren't true. Devs have stated that the tools were great.

You could be right, but I would like to wait and see before I make a decision on this matter.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

You could be right, but I would like to wait and see before I make a decision on this matter.

COD or WD are up next, they perform best on PS5 too apparently. We just need to wait to see if the performance gap can be as big as 20% in demanding scenes like in AC.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

You could be right, but I would like to wait and see before I make a decision on this matter.

You know that PS5 isn't fully utilized, right? Geometry Engines and primitive shaders will be massive for multiplats that look like shit now compared to early exclusives. The gap will widen even further in favor of PS5.

COD or WD are up next, they perform best on PS5 too apparently. We just need to wait to see if the performance gap can be as big as 20% in demanding scenes like in AC.

You mean more than 30%.

 

[Lokaum D+]

what is that video with that guy singing, crying screaming in the clouds, you know the one bo its the best lol

We just need to replace "PC" for XBOX SX and "Flight Simulator" to Any new gen game.

 

[elenapska]

I have the theory that all games in XSX are running in a "BC enhanced" mode.

I don't think we have games DX12U yet, using the new architecture.

Of course, this is just a theory.

I'm confident that XSX will show it's 2 TF advantage in the future.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I have the theory that all games in XSX are running in a "BC enhanced" mode.

I don't think we have games DX12U yet, using the new architecture.

Of course, this is just a theory.

I'm confident that XSX will show it's 2 TF advantage in the future.

Then it should have been locked at 60.

This is not what is happening.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Constant tearing yet only 46fps. Alex confirmed PS5 is using internal Vsync which XSX isn't supporting. If XSX supports Vsync the FPS hit gonna be down 3-6FPS more!

 

[elenapska]

Then it should have been locked at 60.

This is not what is happening.

that's why I said ENHANCED. They updated all assets, and the raw performance is 12 TF either way.

Direct 12 Ultimate was "revealed" in March 2020, 8 months ago. Pretty sure developers had the first version months after that.

 

[Md Ray]

Constant tearing yet only 46fps. Alex confirmed PS5 is using internal Vsync which XSX isn't supporting. If XSX supports Vsync the FPS hit gonna be down 3-6FPS more!

What some people on here don't realize is that in this scene, if you were to unlock the frame-rate on PS5, the gap would be even larger.

Assuming it's running close to 65fps here then that's damn near 40% more fps on PS5!

 

[assurdum]

I have the theory that all games in XSX are running in a "BC enhanced" mode.

I don't think we have games DX12U yet, using the new architecture.

Of course, this is just a theory.

I'm confident that XSX will show it's 2 TF advantage in the future.

Your theory hasn't any kinda of sense.

 

[DeepEnigma]

that's why I said ENHANCED. They updated all assets, and the raw performance is 12 TF either way.

Direct 12 Ultimate was "revealed" in March 2020, 8 months ago. Pretty sure developers had the first version months after that.

Did I slip into a time warp back to 2013?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

What some people on here don't realize is that in this scene, if you were to unlock the frame-rate on PS5, the gap would be even larger.

Assuming it's running close to 65fps here then that's a near 40% more fps on PS5!

And that's with Vsync which has latency/framerate penalty.

 

[THEAP99]

Where is this image from?

 

[jroc74]

Once again....The Road to PS5.

This should be a requirement to watch at this point.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Where is this image from?

Someone's ass.

 

[Md Ray]

Where is this image from?

From Discord?

Your link says so.

 

[elenapska]

Did I slip into a time warp back to 2013?

I'm not waring. I'm trying to find logic. XSX is more powerful than PS5, that is a fact. People read that as an insult, that's their problem.

I was looking at the development documentation (DX12U) and the first demo they provided was in march, and they are still updating the DX12u GitHub samples. The most recent is from 2 months ago.

 

[THEAP99]

From Discord?

Your link says so.

Yeah. Some xbox fanboy in my discord is sending that image and saying:

"
And that slightly lower FPS in the games is compensated by better graphics"

 

[ethomaz]

Where is this image from?

Discord.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Yeah. Some xbox fanboy in my discord is sending that image and saying:

"
And that slightly lower FPS in the games is compensated by better graphics"

Do you have a pair of functional eyes and a 4K screen? Go watch the video again on the OP.

 

[Md Ray]

Yeah. Some xbox fanboy in my discord is sending that image and saying:

"
And that slightly lower FPS in the games is compensated by better graphics"

Tell him it's dynamic day/night cycle.

Wait... Don't. He already knows. This is a deliberate bullshitting to spread misinformation.

 

[onQ123]

Where is this image from?

Discord

 

[Epic Sax CEO]

You're trying way too hard. If you look at the scene, the same texture becomes blurrier during certain parts of this scene.


It looks sharper at that point.

But then it looks blurry.

It's the way the textures are flirted, not that its using higher res textures.

This video shows in game texture comparisons and it's the same.

This makes me remember that Variable Rate Shading will give us a lot of headaches with these comparisons (because the point of the feature is decrease quality in areas that the player supposedly isn't paying attention while playing). People will take screenshots to point bad textures as smoking guns when the bad texture is intended to be bad at that moment to increase performance.

 

[Physiognomonics]

I'm not waring. I'm trying to find logic. XSX is more powerful than PS5, that is a fact. People read that as an insult, that's their problem.

I was looking at the development documentation (DX12U) and the first demo they provided was in march, and they are still updating the DX12u GitHub samples. The most recent is from 2 months ago.

Define "powerful".

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Tell him it's dynamic time of day.

Wait... Don't. He already knows. This is a deliberate bullshitting to spread misinformation.

It's last gen base xbox one vs XSX.

 

[ethomaz]

Yeah. Some xbox fanboy in my discord is sending that image and saying:

"
And that slightly lower FPS in the games is compensated by better graphics"

You can watch (or play) the same scene on PS5 to have ideia.

 

[THEAP99]

Tell him it's dynamic day/night cycle.

Wait... Don't. He already knows. This is a deliberate bullshitting to spread misinformation.

Yeah he just admitted he was wrong. Even digital foundry said there's no difference visually between the two I thought. Man, some of these foreign xbox fans are wacky

 

[kuncol02]

I have the theory that all games in XSX are running in a "BC enhanced" mode.

I don't think we have games DX12U yet, using the new architecture.

Of course, this is just a theory.

I'm confident that XSX will show it's 2 TF advantage in the future.

Some are. You can run them from external drive. All games that have some performance problems are build in GDK and not in old XDK. When you use XDK you have full access to Series X power but new features like VA and RT are not available.
Valhalla is build using GDK you can check that on console. Problem is, some features of GDK are targeted for release (to developers) after Series X launch.

 

[Epic Sax CEO]

What matters is how good are the developers of the game, as Ballmer knew.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

You know that PS5 isn't fully utilized, right? Geometry Engines and primitive shaders will be massive for multiplats that look like shit now compared to early exclusives. The gap will widen even further in favor of PS5.



You mean more than 30%.

Wow us much as that huh. I was just taking Alex Battlestar's numbers

 

[Riky]

I'm not waring. I'm trying to find logic. XSX is more powerful than PS5, that is a fact. People read that as an insult, that's their problem.

I was looking at the development documentation (DX12U) and the first demo they provided was in march, and they are still updating the DX12u GitHub samples. The most recent is from 2 months ago.

Correct.

The GDK wasn't Series console ready until June 2020, that's been confirmed.

 

[Md Ray]

What matters is how good are the developers of the game, as Ballmer knew.

This is so cringeworthy for some reason.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Correct.

The GDK wasn't Series console ready until June 2020, that's been confirmed.

First to reveal (the look of the box), late to the game (for the development network)?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

At this frame, PS5 is running at a slightly higher resolution as it seems:

XSX

PS5

All are saved in PNG to keep details as clean as possible, but youtube still has its magic.

 

[anaphase]

First to reveal (the look of the box), late to the game (for the development network)?

Sadly, it's the way it goes in the development industry. I cannot count how many screenshots, or videos i've provided to marketing of an unfinished product.

It get's finished before launch obviously, but it's just the way shit goes.

 

[FranXico]

Imagine when PS5 start to use tools too
For now it is a jut a tease up.

Devs have things to learn on PS5 too.

 

[FranXico]

At this frame, PS5 is running at a slightly higher resolution as it seems:

XSX

PS5

All are saved in PNG to keep details as clean as possible, but youtube still has its magic.

It's fun to play "catch the higher rez" at random points, but really. Dynamic rez on both consoles just means it's a wash.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

It's fun to play "catch the higher rez" at random points, but really. Dynamic rez on both consoles just means it's a wash.

Yup, but as Alex Buggaga said: PS5 will more likely to keep rez higher and FPS stable, and XSX needs to go below 1440p to match the FPS.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Sadly, it's the way it goes in the development industry. I cannot count how many screenshots, or videos i've provided to marketing of an unfinished product.

It get's finished before launch obviously, but it's just the way shit goes.

True, I just find it charming that the concern trolls went in on here for Sony taking so long to show the look of the box due to MS showing first, but are nonchalant about what is most important for them as an end user, and that is the largest software company in the world late to the game on the software/API front to have a more optimal experience. Just like 2013.

 

[mitchman]

I still don't know what you're talking about. I see zero stuttering in sync'ed 60FPS+ games like DOOM, etc..

Good, DOOM holds 60 fps well then. Once it starts dipping, you'll notice it.

 

[GHG]

XSX version have better textures

DF literally said they are running identical settings as a result of frame by frame analysis but yet this is what you come up with?

Is there no end to the delusion?

 

[Birdo]

21 pages, huh.

Using launch-day Ubijank as some definitive gauge on console performance is pretty pointless. I know it's fun for "PoWErMemEs", but still

Mark my words. Six months or more from now, you won't tell PS5 and SX games apart with the naked eye.

 

[Schmick]

So is this gen called then. PS5 wins this gen!

 

[DeepEnigma]

Good, DOOM holds 60 fps well then. One it starts dipping, you'll notice it.

Of course, that is the nature for any game with a non locked refresh rate. When locked to vsync, it smooth as silk with no tearing.

 

[meech]

How about the possibility that the devs simply put more effort into the Ps5 version, because its obviously the far more popular console,selling more software ? Horizon Zero Down had a lot issues on pcs far more powerfull than the Ps4, what was the reason again?

 

[mitchman]

Of course, that is the nature for any game with a non locked refresh rate. When locked to vsync, it smooth as silk with no tearing.

It can still be locked to vsync and stutter then it can't hold the frame rate. How is that so hard to understand?

 

[onQ123]

LOL It's got to be the tools