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Assassin's Creed Syndicate - 60 FPS and 4K Update on Xbox Series X|S, PS5 and PS5 Pro

Bartski

Gold Member
Fired it up last week just to check it how it runs on the pro and now I'm about 70% into the campaign. Not sure if I'm gonna finish it but I'm enjoying it tons more than the shit-tier Mirage. Likely also because I had much higher expectations for the latter, while this is a 2015 game and it plays like one. Stealth is a joke and don't get me started on the horse carriage but there are some really cool ideas there, like your mobile base of operations and new traversal mechanics. Combat is ok. I really enjoy this setting and scaling this familiar, iconic architecture. Protagonist choice seems artificial due to minimal difference in playstyle but now I see what they're going for in Shadows, I think it could work.
 

Gonzito

Gold Member
I've been playing this on PC over the last couple weeks. Here are some quick points.
  • Ubisoft usually cooks with their DLC, and Syndicate is no different. I highly recommend getting all the DLC, gold edition, or whatever the fuck the bundle with everything is called.
  • Some of the cutscenes are indeed prerendered. It's mostly the big ones that occur between Sequences. There's a mod for PC that upscales them to 4k60.
  • The cloth physics are capped to 30 fps on all platforms, but you can edit an INI file on PC to tie it to the game's frame rate
  • The game is likely using FXAA on console. MSAA and TXAA are available on PC, but those are so heavy that I doubt they'd use them on console. FXAA is actually always on for PC. I believe it's due to their use of weird LOD or mipmap settings that can cause a lot of noise due to the amount of geometric detail.
  • The PS4 Pro version ran at 1620p, so the jump to 4k isn't going to be that big.
  • The game has an overall very soft appearance, even at high resolutions. This is likely caused by the aforementioned FXAA along with the various PostFX that Ubisoft likes to use. You can mitigate some of this on PC by playing around with the INI file, but I find injecting some sharpening with Reshade while is the best solution.
  • The game actually runs really well now. On my 12700/4090 system I use 2xMSAA+FXAA with 4k DLDSR and cap my fps at 120.
  • Many people use DXVK when running these older DX11 Ubisoft games, but at least for me it didn't result in any kind of performance improvement, though my VRAM and GPU usage jumped significantly. I guess nVidia's drivers are so good that it can smooth over the inefficiencies. If I was running AMD or Intel, though, I'd probably give DXVK a shot
  • The Bleak Weather mod is awesome if you're playing on PC.

Good summary. I recently played at 8k in my 4090 and it looks glorious and no aliasing whatsoever. I would add as well to your mod suggestion the hood mod so you can have the hood all the time, for me its essential
 

evanft

Member
Good summary. I recently played at 8k in my 4090 and it looks glorious and no aliasing whatsoever. I would add as well to your mod suggestion the hood mod so you can have the hood all the time, for me its essential
That's a good one. I also got the mod that removes the top hats from Jacob's outfits.
 
I loved this game back in the day and I’m now replaying it on PS5 thanks to this patch. I was already planning to anyway. I think resolution-wise it looks really good now but the 30 fps clothing physics looks unacceptable, they should have really solved this before releasing the patch. I’d rather set the whole game to 30 fps instead of this as it ruins it for me. Also, it desperately needs temporal anti-aliasing. So if one has the possibility, definitely play this on PC with clothing physics unlocked + temporal AA. That way the game will still look very good even today.
 

Shaki12345

Member
I loved this game back in the day and I’m now replaying it on PS5 thanks to this patch. I was already planning to anyway. I think resolution-wise it looks really good now but the 30 fps clothing physics looks unacceptable, they should have really solved this before releasing the patch. I’d rather set the whole game to 30 fps instead of this as it ruins it for me. Also, it desperately needs temporal anti-aliasing. So if one has the possibility, definitely play this on PC with clothing physics unlocked + temporal AA. That way the game will still look very good even today.
So, because of some clothing physics at 30fps you want the whole game at 30 instead of 60? Makes a lot of sense, and for sure it will make the game look better like you said ;)
 
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adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The resolution and anti-aliasing should be identical between the two versions.

Not necessarily, multiple people with both versions have said the SX version looks 'cleaner', the PS5 is likely using the PS4 Pro's checker-boarded resolution and the XB version never got One X upgrades, but if it's like the Odyssey and Origins patches, it's using native resolution.

But if you only have access to either one version, it's probably not a deal breaker at all.
 
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So, because of some clothing physics at 30fps you want the whole game at 30 instead of 60? Makes a lot of sense, and for sure it will make the game look better like you said ;)
Did you also read the part where I said “for me”? Did you know that different people can have different preferences? I know these are difficult for a 60 fps cultist like you to understand but one day you will be capable of it hopefully.
 

Shaki12345

Member
Did you also read the part where I said “for me”? Did you know that different people can have different preferences? I know these are difficult for a 60 fps cultist like you to understand but one day you will be capable of it hopefully.
It's just that I don't see a reality where a locked 30 is better than a locked 60.
 

Topher

Identifies as young
So which version is better at the end of the day? Base PS5 or Series X? I own both consoles and I'd love to go back to the game primarily to play it in 60fps.

If you have PS+ Extra then you don't have to buy it. The game was great performance wise on PS5 so I really don't think you will see any difference regardless.

Edit: I'm playing on PS5 Pro and that does make a difference it seems.
 
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Traxtech

Member
Just a heads up for people wanting to play this on playstation and own the physical version but want to play the digital version. Game has two different saves between physical /digital which sucks.
 
Not necessarily, multiple people with both versions have said the SX version looks 'cleaner', the PS5 is likely using the PS4 Pro's checker-boarded resolution and the XB version never got One X upgrades, but if it's like the Odyssey and Origins patches, it's using native resolution.

But if you only have access to either one version, it's probably not a deal breaker at all.
DF has pretty much found a similar image between them, with better textures on the playstation side, but better performance on the XSX.... Nothing about the checkerboard nor native on XSX 🧐🧐🧐🤨🤨🤨
 
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Topher

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DF has confirmed that Xbox runs a lot better and looks better. PS5 has framerate issues.

Edited my reply to point out that I'm playing on Pro. I watched the DF video and the difference in frame rate is not that big and only applies to cutscenes and the prologue in any case. The dips happen with all versions, just slightly more on PS5. I didn't see anywhere in the video where they say any version "looks better" than another except XSS. But yeah, if someone was going to choose between the PS5 and XSX version then XSX is probably the best choice. My experience playing on Pro was that it ran really well.

Having said all that....

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xrnzaaas xrnzaaas The game was on sale on PS and Xbox for $9 but PS version went back up to $30. So if you are going to buy then definitely go with Xbox.

FYI. AC Syndicate is available on PS+ Extra. Also on sale for $8.99. Edit: Sale still on for Xbox version, but PS version is now $30

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Not seeing the game on Game Pass but available separately with Ubisoft+, but also on sale for $8.99.

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adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
DF has pretty much found a similar image between them, with better textures on the playstation side, but better performance on the XSX.... Nothing about the checkerboard nor native on XSX

They didn't do a pixel count on the Xbox version. There's multiple users in this topic saying they noticed a difference in playing. Make of that what you will 🫡


xrnzaaas xrnzaaas The game was on sale on PS and Xbox for $9 but PS version went back up to $30. So if you are going to buy then definitely go with Xbox.

The game's price is going up everywhere post patch, shitty but expected. Same happened with Cyberpunk and Witcher 3 after they got theirs.

I got it the Gold version (with all the DLC) from eneba for $14 a few days ago. That version is up to $18 or $25 depending on the seller from the same website now and will likely increase more.

 

Topher

Identifies as young
They didn't do a pixel count on the Xbox version. There's multiple users in this topic saying they noticed a difference in playing. Make of that what you will 🫡




The game's price is going up everywhere post patch, shitty but expected. Same happened with Cyberpunk and Witcher 3 after they got theirs.

I got it the Gold version (with all the DLC) from eneba for $14 a few days ago. That version is up to $18 or $25 depending on the seller from the same website now and will likely increase more.


Going to be on sale for $8.99 on Xbox for two more days.

 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Going to be on sale for $8.99 on Xbox for two more days.


Yep but that's the standard version. If one wants it with the DLC or season pass content it's either $29.99 over that or buy the currently not-on-sale Gold version from Xbox.com for $49.99, which is way too high for such an old game, IMO.

Sometimes these gray market resellers are a'ight. I also bought AC Unity from Eneba for a whooping $0.99 last year 😇 So whenever it gets a new gen patch, I'll be ready, lol.
 
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Hugare

Member
Updating Syndicate but not Unity

Origins, Odyssey, now Syndicate, but no Unity

Staring The Walking Dead GIF


Seriously, Ubi.

Will boot it up to see how it runs on the PS5, but its easily my least liked AC game

Having to clear sidequests to advance the main quest is simply idiotic design. Combat animations looked like shit compared to Unity. Graphics were a huge downgrade from Unity due to realtime time of day instead of baked lighting.

Upgrade Unity, dammit
 
Updating Syndicate but not Unity

Origins, Odyssey, now Syndicate, but no Unity

Staring The Walking Dead GIF


Seriously, Ubi.

Will boot it up to see how it runs on the PS5, but its easily my least liked AC game

Having to clear sidequests to advance the main quest is simply idiotic design. Combat animations looked like shit compared to Unity. Graphics were a huge downgrade from Unity due to realtime time of day instead of baked lighting.

Upgrade Unity, dammit
Yep, it’s a bit crazy that Unity is the one most people want updated and the also the one that needs it most, yet nothing. I would assume they are preparing a proper remaster for that game, but we are already past the 10-year-anniversary, which could have been the perfect time for that. Who knows…
 

Gonzito

Gold Member
Updating Syndicate but not Unity

Origins, Odyssey, now Syndicate, but no Unity

Staring The Walking Dead GIF


Seriously, Ubi.

Will boot it up to see how it runs on the PS5, but its easily my least liked AC game

Having to clear sidequests to advance the main quest is simply idiotic design. Combat animations looked like shit compared to Unity. Graphics were a huge downgrade from Unity due to realtime time of day instead of baked lighting.

Upgrade Unity, dammit

Unity has a big issue. The LOD (level of detail) is extremely bad and not far from Arno you can see blocky low res buildings around you and its really immersion breaking specially when doing parkour. I have played it on pc at 4k and 60 fps and this really bothered me the whole time

So its not as simple as just releasing an update and that's it. If they do this ,they should do a proper fix for this issue because playing on a higher resolution just exacerbates the LOD problems even more
 
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Hugare

Member
Unity has a big issue. The LOD (level of detail) is extremely bad and not far from Arno you can see blocky low res buildings around you and its really immersion breaking specially when doing parkour. I have played it on pc at 4k and 60 fps and this really bothered me the whole time

So its not as simple as just releasing an update and that's it. If they do this ,they should do a proper fix for this issue because playing on a higher resolution just exacerbates the LOD problems even more
Yeah, Im aware. But I think there are mods on PC that fix the LOD, and I dont think it would be an issue for Ubi devs.

Not as easy as changing an .ini file, I think. But not hard either.
 

Topher

Identifies as young
lol
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AC3 combat was super simplistic, and you're never in any real danger since you can just once shot everyone basically; killed this mountain of people by just standing in place and alternating between two button presses.

I couldn't get through the opening of AC3. Seemed like an hour long Native American simulator. Only mainline AC game I haven't finished.
 

saintjules

Gold Member
Fired it up last week just to check it how it runs on the pro and now I'm about 70% into the campaign. Not sure if I'm gonna finish it but I'm enjoying it tons more than the shit-tier Mirage. Likely also because I had much higher expectations for the latter, while this is a 2015 game and it plays like one. Stealth is a joke and don't get me started on the horse carriage but there are some really cool ideas there, like your mobile base of operations and new traversal mechanics. Combat is ok. I really enjoy this setting and scaling this familiar, iconic architecture. Protagonist choice seems artificial due to minimal difference in playstyle but now I see what they're going for in Shadows, I think it could work.

Kombucha No But GIF
 

Gonzito

Gold Member
Yeah, Im aware. But I think there are mods on PC that fix the LOD, and I dont think it would be an issue for Ubi devs.

Not as easy as changing an .ini file, I think. But not hard either.

Unfortunately the available mods are basically placebo and dont fix the issue. In fact, they cause even more bugs if you used them, like buggy npcs and such. Unless Ubisoft do something we are stuck with this problem

But yeah I agree that it would be awesome if they would remaster it or something because I think its an incredible game and very underrated.
 

Bartski

Gold Member
Yeah, Im aware. But I think there are mods on PC that fix the LOD, and I dont think it would be an issue for Ubi devs.

Not as easy as changing an .ini file, I think. But not hard either.
Pop-in and LOD swap in Syndicate is also truly awful, probably was always like that but it's more noticeable now due to higher fps
 

Topher

Identifies as young
it gets better after the mid point, and the king washington dlc stuff is interesting, but yeah I'd probably probably put it at the bottom of the previous era ACs

Still plan to go back and finish it one day just to check it off my AC list. Maybe they will patch 60fps for the remastered version one day.

But it felt like 3 or 4!!

It's been a long time 😊

lol....you are not wrong, it felt like a gotdang eternity.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I remember that "prologue" with Haytham being maybe 3 or 4 hours long before we got to see the AC splash logo.

Definitely overly long 😁

The game lost my interest mostly after the Prologue ass Haytham was a far better character than the wooden Connor.

A massive downgrade after 3 games of the charismatic as fuck Ezio.
 
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