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DF: Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth - PlayStation 5 - The FULL Digital Foundry Tech Review
- Thread starter adamsapple
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RagnarokIV
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Doctor Hades
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I am going to play it and adore it on PS5 from tonight at 'up to' 4K 30 fps and then play and love it all over again at 1440p 120 fps when it comes out on PC.
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Bojji
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Game is full of shit textures.
DeaDPo0L84
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Finally playing FF7 Remake on PC, trying to rush through it so I can have a reason to turn on my PS5. Wife is 100% going to play it even if it runs/looks terrible, but I'll wait and see what the consensus is.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
- As always, if you are worried about spoilers, do not watch. They say they use footage from 'the first 40%' of the game.
Features:
- Character models have subtle improvements, they have been remade and show more finer details compared to FFVIIR even if you won't notice them as a quick glance
- Hair dithering on Cloud/Aerith etc have been reduced compared to VIIR
- Cut-scene lighting improved with more effective in-direct lighting
- Fidelity and animation looks better than Advent Children, in the cut-scenes
- Polygonal density in open world environments is 'pretty solid'. PS5's primitive shaders used to add incidental detail in environments per developers
- Aside the broader scope, some areas are very similar to the previous game and 'Quite a few spots where we've actually taken a step back'
Visuals:
- Environmental lighting is one of the most obvious visual flaws
- Multiple areas are presented without any shadow casting lights
- FFVII Remake's baked lighting did a better job simulating baked GI with 'worse lighting in typical play' in Rebirth, by comparison.
- Shadows have a lot of breakup in game play, cascades also have a 'comically close distance'
- FFVII Remake by comparison had higher resolution shadows, further boosted in Intergrade
- Fair number of low resolution textures also seen. Mt. Nibelheim area is where this is most notable
- Traversal animation is also stilted, jerky when traversing the world.
- SSR doesn't have cube-map fallbacks so their cut-off point is easily seen when moving the camera
- Zero physics on any foliage (original reveal trailer had foliage bending on character models but final game does not)
- 'Generally a good looking game ... but has obvious visual flaws ... that can make it look less visually appealing than its predecessor'
Performance:
- Visual settings are a match in both Graphics and Performance mode
- Both modes use DRS
- Performance: Average at 1152p
- Graphics: Average at or near 4K
- Performance mode uses nearest neighbor up-scaling, softer than usual and pretty blocky.
- Setting system to 1440p seems to reduce the blockiness
- Performance mode is ' a lot less sharper than FFVII Remake when targeting 60 FPS'
- Graphics mode looks clean and sharp with minor ghosting but otherwise a good resolve.
- Only per-object motion blur, no camera-based motion blur.
- Graphics mode is a consistent 30 FPS with one-off drop here and there disrupting it
- Performance mode is wobblier, sticks to 60 earlier areas but combat can drop to 50s, especially in high particle areas. Neibleheim area also drops performance in traversal.
- Load times are very fast across the board.
- DF recommends the Graphics mode at the moment.
- Verdict: 'Curiously uneven experience'. DF compares it to FF16 at the end and say it was quite a whole more visually impressive compared to FFVII Rebirth.
Features:
- Character models have subtle improvements, they have been remade and show more finer details compared to FFVIIR even if you won't notice them as a quick glance
- Hair dithering on Cloud/Aerith etc have been reduced compared to VIIR
- Cut-scene lighting improved with more effective in-direct lighting
- Fidelity and animation looks better than Advent Children, in the cut-scenes
- Polygonal density in open world environments is 'pretty solid'. PS5's primitive shaders used to add incidental detail in environments per developers
- Aside the broader scope, some areas are very similar to the previous game and 'Quite a few spots where we've actually taken a step back'
Visuals:
- Environmental lighting is one of the most obvious visual flaws
- Multiple areas are presented without any shadow casting lights
- FFVII Remake's baked lighting did a better job simulating baked GI with 'worse lighting in typical play' in Rebirth, by comparison.
- Shadows have a lot of breakup in game play, cascades also have a 'comically close distance'
- FFVII Remake by comparison had higher resolution shadows, further boosted in Intergrade
- Fair number of low resolution textures also seen. Mt. Nibelheim area is where this is most notable
- Traversal animation is also stilted, jerky when traversing the world.
- SSR doesn't have cube-map fallbacks so their cut-off point is easily seen when moving the camera
- Zero physics on any foliage (original reveal trailer had foliage bending on character models but final game does not)
- 'Generally a good looking game ... but has obvious visual flaws ... that can make it look less visually appealing than its predecessor'
Performance:
- Visual settings are a match in both Graphics and Performance mode
- Both modes use DRS
- Performance: Average at 1152p
- Graphics: Average at or near 4K
- Performance mode uses nearest neighbor up-scaling, softer than usual and pretty blocky.
- Setting system to 1440p seems to reduce the blockiness
- Performance mode is ' a lot less sharper than FFVII Remake when targeting 60 FPS'
- Graphics mode looks clean and sharp with minor ghosting but otherwise a good resolve.
- Only per-object motion blur, no camera-based motion blur.
- Graphics mode is a consistent 30 FPS with one-off drop here and there disrupting it
- Performance mode is wobblier, sticks to 60 earlier areas but combat can drop to 50s, especially in high particle areas. Neibleheim area also drops performance in traversal.
- Load times are very fast across the board.
- DF recommends the Graphics mode at the moment.
- Verdict: 'Curiously uneven experience'. DF compares it to FF16 at the end and say it was quite a whole more visually impressive compared to FFVII Rebirth.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The lighting and shadow comparisons with Remake are pretty brutal. It just makes it seem like this game was always planned to be a PS4 game as well, and those parameters were set to keep the game within PS4's memory.
I bet there's an "Intergrade' type re-release for this a year or so later that will improve those.
I bet there's an "Intergrade' type re-release for this a year or so later that will improve those.
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LavitzSlambert
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Seems like Nibelheim is the worst of it which is encouraging. Hopefully I can be content with graphic mode and just switch to performance during that part.
Imtjnotu
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LavitzSlambert
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On what console? That’s not happening a year or two later. I would expect a rerelease on PS6 so the entire trilogy can be experienced on one platform, and maybe a performance patch if they treat the PS5 to PS6 transition the same way as PS4 to PS5.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Maybe a PS5 Pro patch.
But there's been examples of games getting visual enhancement patches in the same gen.
I think you're right tho.
Interfectum
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The sooner SE just releases on PC day and date, the better.
LavitzSlambert
Member
Patch yeah agreed, wasn’t originally thinking PS5 Pro because you mentioned Intergrade.
StereoVsn
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Low Moral Fibre
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Played quite a bit now and it looks very AA PS4 open world. Lighting is really poor, there are tons of low quality textures and low poly assets, a tiny shadow distance, object pop-in etc. In performance mode it's blurry as shit, pixelated and aliased.
The first photo op the game sends you to honesty looks like a PS3 game like they are taking the piss out of us.
Sure it's open world but it's a basic bitch open world compared to something like RDR2 so I don't think that's a valid excuse.
Is it fun? Yes, very fun. Do I recommend it? If you like JRPGs then yeah it's great. Is it a good looking game? For the most part no.
The first photo op the game sends you to honesty looks like a PS3 game like they are taking the piss out of us.
Sure it's open world but it's a basic bitch open world compared to something like RDR2 so I don't think that's a valid excuse.
Is it fun? Yes, very fun. Do I recommend it? If you like JRPGs then yeah it's great. Is it a good looking game? For the most part no.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
We are never going to get away from this narrative nowadays are we?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Are people forgetting that the scope of this game is also WAAAAY bigger? Plus are they comparing Part 2 to the PS5 version of Part 1? Or the PS4 version?
GHG
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
A PS3 game? Really that bad graphically? If so, I'll wait to get a PS5 Pro first, then buy this game. I'm still playing FF7:Remake right now. About 50% through the game and still need to play Intergrade.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The scale is bigger but it's also a new-gen exclusive game. And the things like lighting and shadows, they compare with both. Lighting and Shadows are worse than the original PS4 version, the Intergrade version further improved on them originally. So it's Rebirth > FFVIIR > Intergrade.
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Low Moral Fibre
Member
Not the whole game just the odd bit where you are looking out over a low poly scene. Strangely the first photo op the game sends you to is one of those low poly scenes. If I was sending people off to show off photo mode I'd make sure the place I sent them to looked amazing.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I didn't want to watch the video, so thanks for answering that question for me. Actually shocked that some graphics are less than Remake on the PS4. I'm 100% waiting for the PS5 Pro patch now.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Then why post in a thread about a DF video?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Because I don't want to get spoiled. But I'm interested in the "tech" side of the review in words only. I don't need to see it for myself. I trust
adamsapple
and others about stuff like this.
West Texas CEO
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getting it for the PS5 Pro, then
GHG
Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I don't think Square has the chops to do that on the consoles at least, maybe if they farm the PC port to Nixxess or someone.
saintjules
Gold Member
I didn't expect an improvement based on what the demos provided. I am however surprised that they went backwards in terms of the visual fidelity for example when comparing to Remake. Seems like they were in a rush in getting this done.
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Go_Ly_Dow
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Rebirth clearly has the higher budget than Remake, but that doesn't mean it automatically translates over to visuals. There was a comment when they said the increased the budget for Rebirth after the success of Remake. It's just that the resources are allocated over a much larger game world which has more characters, more locations, bigger environments, assets and more side activities than Remake.
That wall looks like lumpy poopy.
SE, you bastards! What have you done to shadow-chan and texture-chan? You killed them! I'll never forgive you!
wvnative
Member
For me i'm comparing both.
Many people will complain about different things, yes you are correct, it's wayyyyyyyyy bigger than Part 1, and I myself am often irritated when people bitch about a far off rock looking a bit PS2-ish. I don't really care about that.
My issue, is just the overall image quality being poorer than Part 1. The HDR looks worse, the image looks softer in both modes, where Part 1 looked much sharper in both modes, and colors popped off way more. These issues imo should not exist in a next-gen exclusive sequel that was presumably larger budget. It's just distracting, to me.
But the game itself is great, and we all need to just enjoy it. Probably too much focus being placed on the visuals.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
On the whole?
No, it is not. The open world looks far better here
DF really has awful takes
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Did you see the video? The lighting and shadows are worse than the PS4 remake. I don't see how you're saying 'the open world looks better', the only way it looks better is in the sense that it is a bigger scope. Fidelity / visual features wise, it doesn't look better.
SE, you bastards! What have you done to shadow-chan and texture-chan? You killed them! I'll never forgive you!
That is a literal turd wall, lol.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Nah, come on. FF XVI looks better than this. A lot more consistent too.
Hugare
Member
I was already expecting a downgrade in lighting going from such a linear game like Remake to an open world one like Rebirth
But overrall it looks so much better than Remake. I've played 2h of it and few games with open spaces look this good and dense.
Oliver mentioned FF XVI, but man, that game visually was a rollercoster. I wouldnt say it looks better than Rebirth at all. In places, but in others it looks horrendous.
Rebirth so far has been much more consistent visually than FF XVI, by a long shot
It really doesnt, imo
FF XVI looked spectacular during the first 15H. After that, looks like they've wasted all of their budget and saved the rest only for bosses.
But overrall it looks so much better than Remake. I've played 2h of it and few games with open spaces look this good and dense.
Oliver mentioned FF XVI, but man, that game visually was a rollercoster. I wouldnt say it looks better than Rebirth at all. In places, but in others it looks horrendous.
Rebirth so far has been much more consistent visually than FF XVI, by a long shot
It really doesnt, imo
FF XVI looked spectacular during the first 15H. After that, looks like they've wasted all of their budget and saved the rest only for bosses.
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BossLackey
Gold Member
I've started taking their more editorial comments with a massive pinch of salt.
Jesus christ this company is a mess, how the hell did they fuck up so badly with a mature engine at their disposal. Freaking days gone looks more polished and better looking on a ps4 so they can't blame ue4. Also, they cut ff7 into three parts to gouge more money out of fans based on the sole justification that they wanted to do the game justice in terms of quality and production values, and still somehow they made a game less visually appealing and polished than the ps4 predecessor.
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