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[Romulus]

The actual side by side gameplay without zooming in is closer than I thought it would be. At the first of the video they were zooming in to trees a mile away and cut scenes looks drastic but as expected in 90% of situations its just not a big deal considering the price tag.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

But but Alan Wake 2 is 840P.

 

[Rudius]

 

[Bojji]

There it is. Clearly day 1.

PS5 Pro haters, lol. Way bigger upgrade than I was expecting. Honestly, can you imagine with how Wukong runs, NOT getting a Pro? Hard to justify skipping this for a gaming enthusiast, unless your main platform is PC(in which case, why are you complaining about the price of an optional console upgrade designed for console enthusiasts)?

I mean, the 2tb Series X is only 100 dollars less and it doesn't do shit. Haters gonna hate I guess, but many of us predicted this exact scenario.

The next thing to fall is the OH SO SILLY talking point that without a CPU upgrade, increases in framerate can't be achieved. That's hilarious. One of us has a basic misunderstanding of resource management. Anyway, we'll see. First game you are wrong on, will be glorious. Glorious! I hear DD2 is 60fps on the pro? Will that be the first game you are wrong on? Let's see. Soon your talking points will all be rotten and novel in the morning sun, and I'll have a Pro. I'm sure someone will remind you of how wrong you have been. Shoon. Think I'm wrong?

Wukong has no actual 60fps mode on PS5 (like this game), only frame generation from 30 plus 45fps mode. I wonder if this 45% power uplift will be enough for devs to do something decent with this game. In theory 45fps mode would be close to 60, add PSSR to that and it would be great? We will see.

But but Alan Wake 2 is 840P.

840p is much lower resolution to work with (for PSSR) compared to 1080-1200p so it won't look as good as this.

 

[saintjules]

So this means these lazy/incompetent devs will become lazier because of PSSR?
I mean, this could have been fixed on PS5 without an issue.

Something tells me it wasn't fixed for this very reason. I'd hate to say that, but gimping the base version to show how good PSSR is on the Pro could have been a marketing tactic.

I'd hope not for the sake of regular PS5 owners, but I could see Sony/Square Enix doing that.

 

[Skifi28]

The actual side by side gameplay without zooming in is closer than I thought it would be. At the first of the video they were zooming in to trees a mile away and cut scenes looks drastic but as expected in 90% of situations its just not a big deal considering the price tag.

Having played the demo, the difference is huge. Everything looks smeared in vaseline. You can't noticed any detail anywhere. Naturally, in a youtube video you'd have to zoom in and depending on the device you use.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I bet that GT7 with PSSR and RT will look better than the current game at 4K.

Almost like I have told people for about a year to reserve judgement until we see it run and not base decisions on specs

 

[keefged4]

So about on par with what a 4070 can do. Cant wait for the PC Port!

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

I hope this settles the debate. It shows what the PS5o is capable of and how important a dev's application of the hardware is.

 

[Mayar]

It looks good, but honestly if someone thinks that it costs 700 USD or 800 USD if we are talking about Europe. You seriously need to go outside to breathe fresh air, touch the grass.

If God forbid this sells well, next time we will pay 800 USD, for a much smaller upgrade.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Better IQ than the base PS5 graphics mode in the Pro performance mode
With double the framerate. 30>60fps.
With more stable framerate over the PS5 performance mode.
With left over computing power in reserve thanks to PSSR to improve other visual aspects if the dev wishes to do so.
Pro is delivering already

 

[Zacfoldor]

Almost like I have told people for about a year to reserve judgement until we see it run and not base decisions on specs

It's better this way. The meltdown is glorious.

 

[TGO]

Big difference with performance mode, but quality mode....not so much.
Slightly sharper & 60fps.
That's doesn't look like a £700 upgrade.

 

[Mr Moose]

Wukong has no actual 60fps mode on PS5 (like this game), only frame generation from 30 plus 45fps mode. I wonder if this 45% power uplift will be enough for devs to do something decent with this game. In theory 45fps mode would be close to 60, add PSSR to that and it would be great? We will see.



840p is much lower resolution to work with (for PSSR) compared to 1080-1200p so it won't look as good as this.

 

[Gaiff]

Performance Mode.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Big difference with performance mode, but quality mode....not so much.
Slightly sharper & 60fps.
That's doesn't look like a £700 upgrade.

Friend will buy my PS5 for £300, so a £400 upgrade.

Cheaper than most graphics cards.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Yeah, Horizon FW has a bigger world, better IQ and runs better than FFVII Re on PS5, in the case of FF7Re PS5 is not the problem, SE are lazy and didnt want to optimize IQ in performance mode.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Jeeesus, the PS5 version looks atrocious. PS5 pro version looks so much cleaner.

I never knew it looked this bad on PS5.

 

[Bojji]

Left over computing power in reserve thanks to PSSR to improve other visual aspects if the dev wishes to do so.

Maybe not, reconstruction to 4k potentially took all that performance away. Even Oliver said this in video.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Big difference with performance mode, but quality mode....not so much.
Slightly sharper & 60fps.
That's doesn't look like a £700 upgrade.

Wait, it ain't a 700 upgrade.

PS5 slim is $449.99 and pro is $699.99. That's a $250 upgrade. Looks really good.

 

[TrueLegend]

I hope this settles the debate. It shows what the PS5o is capable of and how important a dev's application of the hardware is.

It doesn't and you should stop posting on DF posts as you said. This whole thing actually makes every aspect of Pro underwhelming. Who gives a fuck about static images, FSR can give you amazing static shot. Its about all the goddamn shimmering. PSSR was supposed to remove all that. I haven't played Dead Space yet, I was waiting for Pro but fuck it.

 

[Romulus]

Having played the demo, the difference is huge. Everything looks smeared in vaseline. You can't noticed any detail anywhere. Naturally, in a youtube video you'd have to zoom in and depending on the device you use.

Playing the demo on PS5 and PS5 pro would be relevant.

 

[Parazels]

It looks good, but honestly if someone thinks that it costs 700 USD or 800 USD if we are talking about Europe. You seriously need to go outside to breathe fresh air, touch the grass.

If God forbid this sells well, next time we will pay 800 USD, for a much smaller upgrade.

It costs around $400, if you sell your base PS5 or Xbox Series X.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Jeeesus, the PS5 version looks atrocious. PS5 pro version looks so much cleaner.

I never knew it looked this bad on PS5.

THANK YOU, many didn't understand why this was needed but now they do.

 

[owandeseis]

Yeah, Horizon FW has a bigger world, better IQ and runs better than FFVII Re on PS5, in the case of FF7Re PS5 is not the problem, SE are lazy and didnt want to optimize IQ in performance mode.

Curiously these 2 games avoid using FSR, but while Sony makes FSR look like pure shit, Square manages to make FSR look like a DLSS Ultra-Giga Quality mode lmao.

 

[Xtib81]

interesting. I need to see more games though.

 

[saintjules]

I never knew it looked this bad on PS5.

I didn't either until I saw this. I mean I knew it was blurry, but holy shit.

 

[XXL]

Better IQ than the base PS5 graphics mode.
With double the framerate. 30>60fps.
More stable framerate over the PS5 performance mode.
Left over computing power in reserve thanks to PSSR to improve other visual aspects if the dev wishes to do so.
Pro is delivering already

 

[TGO]

Wait, it ain't a 700 upgrade.

PS5 slim is $449.99 and pro is $699.99. That's a $250 upgrade. Looks really good.

Let me redirect you to my previous post
Post in thread 'Mike Ybarra: “PS5 Pro Is A $350 Upgrade for Trade-In Users”' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/mike...de-for-trade-in-users”.1674934/post-269563075

 

[Skifi28]

Playing the demo on PS5 and PS5 pro would be relevant.

There were no major changes between the demo and the final game, per DF.

 

[j0hnnix]

I need to see more games.

 

[Heisenberg007]

To my eyes PSSR at 4K looks better than native 4K in this game. Very impressive:

100% it does.

 

[NEbeast]

 

[angelgs90]

Ok, this is awesome.

 

[TrueLegend]

Tell the truth, did Cerny have relations with you and Bojji 's wife?

I am not married. So talk about yourself and stop derailing threads with personal remarks.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It doesn't and you should stop posting on DF posts as you said. This whole thing actually makes every aspect of Pro underwhelming. Who gives a fuck about static images, FSR can give you amazing static shot. Its about all the goddamn shimmering. PSSR was supposed to remove all that. I haven't played Dead Space yet, I was waiting for Pro but fuck it.

There are games and settings where DLSS shimmers like a mofo and has noticeable motion blur and noise. It's not "god-teir" to this in comparison that you claim. It is game by game and rez by rez basis. DLSS is still the top dog solution, it's been out long enough, but not a night and day one compared to what we are seeing here.

The nature of this tech is that it's not static and improves over time with revisions. This is damned good and a night and day difference (over base) for it's first and most definitely not retail version outing. More than likely, like with demos, running on several month old stable builds.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Bodes well for FFXVI, which also didn't have a temporal upscaling solution.

I think 16 would look and play a lot better on the Pro but it's probably a harder upgrade than 7 for a few reasons.

Firstly FF7 is using UE4 whilst 16 is an internal bespoke engine crafted for the game.

FF7 used more typical graphics techniques whilst 16 did some interesthing new things with their own shadow technique to mimic RT and also mixed CG assets, effects and lighting in with real-time which is probably why the cutscenes are locked to 30fps even on PC.

But it would be cool to see if they can improve its performance mode and graphics mode IQ too.

 

[bundylove]

Once again its just pssr at work.

I can already tell devs will just turn pssr on and call it a day.

Dont blame sony about how weak the pro is when in reality its the devs that make the pro look bad

 

[T4keD0wN]

Pretty decent improvement over the fidelity mode, but it looks worlds apart from the performance mode which looks absolutely hideous by comparison.

Another step towards TAA finally dying in shame on every platform for good.

 

[XXL]

Tell the truth, did Cerny have relations with you and Bojji 's wife?

 

[GHG]

Want to see what difference there will be in FF XVI as well but I have a feeling they will keep that quiet for a while given the recent PC release.

 

[Markio128]

Fuck. I’m going to be there day 1 aren’t I?

I’m really keen to see how some other games are improved, particularly 3rd-party games.

 

[XXL]

Want to see what difference there will be in FF XVI as well but I have a feeling they will keep that quiet for a while given the recent PC release.

I was just thinking that. I want to see FF16 now, but you're probably right.

 

[Markio128]

I’d imagine Dragons Dogma 2 and Elden Ring would benefit greatly from the Pro.

 

[onnextflix5]

I wonder if pssr is 100% Sony tech, or rebranded AMD ai stuff they are working on, guess time will tell, this is just v1, I expect big improvements in the months and years to come.

 

[GoldenEye98]

Feel like the value of PS5 Pro is dependent on how far you are away from your screen.

 

[TrueLegend]

There are games and settings where DLSS shimmers like a mofo and has noticeable motion blur and noise. It's not "god-teir" to this in comparison that you claim. It is game by game and rez by rez basis. DLSS is still the top dog solution, it's been out long enough, but not a night and day one compared to what we are seeing here.

The nature of this tech is that it's not static and improves over time with revisions. This is damned good and a night and day difference for it's first and most definitely not retail version outing.

Only DLSS Ultra Performance mode has shimmers and even that is rock solid in many games now a days. DLSS is noisy only if you add sharpning to it and that too only a little bit visbile mostly on performance mode. I just dont get bending to corporate overlords to state the fact of the product as I see it. Where on earth you got Motion Blur from DLSS. This is not 'night and day'. You are the one using hyperbole here. This is incremental. FFVII rebirth is a bad example, it gives a biased view. AA of these games have been blurry AF as I already showed with FFXV footage that I posted earlier.

 

[Darsxx82]

100% it does.

DF

Probably the biggest issue here is that the PS5 Pro just isn't that temporally stable relative to the base machine in its graphics mode. In shots without a lot of camera movement, it's fairly easy to find quite a bit of breakup in the image, at least relative to the graphics mode. The image stability overall is more similar to the old performance mode. I don't think this is anything like a dealbreaker here, but the general instability of the image is the biggest sticking point if you are measuring it up against its full-res PS5 counterpart. Here, solutions like DLSS and XeSS typically deliver more temporally stable results. The brief snippets of Ratchet and Clank that we have appear to exhibit a similar problem, suggesting this may be a characteristic weakness of the current version of PSSR.Overall, I think image quality is similarly good between the two consoles when comparing base PS5 quality mode to the 60fps Pro footage we have, although they can also look fairly different in some areas. The Pro definitely gives you greater image detail, but it comes at the cost of more temporal instability

 

[Heisenberg007]

There are games and settings where DLSS shimmers like a mofo and has noticeable motion blur and noise. It's not "god-teir" to this in comparison that you claim. It is game by game and rez by rez basis. DLSS is still the top dog solution, it's been out long enough, but not a night and day one compared to what we are seeing here.

The nature of this tech is that it's not static and improves over time with revisions. This is damned good and a night and day difference (over base) for it's first and most definitely not retail version outing. More than likely, like with demos, running on several month old stable builds.

Exactly.

It's amazing that PSSR 1.0 took only one attempt to pretty much match DLSS 3.7.

 

[Moosh]

I rather play this on a Sony platform, but why bother if they will just release it on PC a year later?