Example of the tipical selective memory that rejects the existence of games where XSX wins and leads you to try to convince people of that parallel reality
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Digital Foundry: Dead Rising Deluxe Remaster - PS5/Series X|S Tech Review - An RE Engine Overhaul At 60FPS!
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Example of the tipical selective memory that rejects the existence of games where XSX wins and leads you to try to convince people of that parallel reality
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
We missed you in the Space Marine 2 DF topic with these hot takes, snake
Yeah, it's probably the first RE engine game pushing native pixels, all previous one's (RE2/3/4 remakes, Village, Dragon's Dogma 2) use their own version of checker-board style rendering.
Updated the summary
Y'all are welcome to make these threads too.
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Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Brilliant post. Sums up every Digital Foundry thread.
Dither pattern in this shot looks like dithered-transparency cross-fade (standard practice in last 2 decades of games on all platforms to do this for near-camera object obstruction, also LOD cross-fades) - there are noticeable cut-offs that don't correspond to anything visible in the scene.
Ie. I don't think this has anything to do with assets or resolution.
But I see what you mean about low-res textures in the bg. - it's certainly an... interesting choice of shots for promotional material.
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We missed you in the Space Marine 2 DF topic with these hot takes, snake
You discovered the reason why he doesn't remember those cases.
SFVI also use cheker-board style rendering with REngine......
I don't know, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that Tom was wrong here. Other places indicate that Ch was used.
Snake29
Banned
You discovered the reason why he doesn't remember those cases.
SFVI also use cheker-board style rendering with REngine......
I don't know, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that Tom was wrong here. Other places indicate that Ch was used.
And you and
adamsapple
have forgotten were the PS5 has most performance or even DF wins since launch. The fact is that the XSX isn’t really a better designed console at all.But lets pretend that that SM2 is somehow proof of XSX being better. Talking about selective memory…an illness Xbox fans always had.
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And you and
But lets pretend that that SM2 is somehow proof of XSX being better. Talking about selective memory…an illness Xbox fans always had.
I recommend Dark Matter to you, it is a TV series about parallel realities that you are going to like...And you and
But lets pretend that that SM2 is somehow proof of XSX being better. Talking about selective memory…an illness Xbox fans always had.
SKYF@ll
Member
It's been four years since both the PS5 and XSX were released, and I think we all understand the performance.
99% of games on the PS5 and XSX benchmark at the same level as the Zen2 + RTX2070s (RX6700). = 9-11 TFflops
*For PCs with insufficient VRAM (8GB), the PS5 and XSX will outperform.
Whether we play on either console, we get roughly the same experience.
99% of games on the PS5 and XSX benchmark at the same level as the Zen2 + RTX2070s (RX6700). = 9-11 TFflops
*For PCs with insufficient VRAM (8GB), the PS5 and XSX will outperform.
Whether we play on either console, we get roughly the same experience.
Vick
Member
Interesting how RT reflections appear to be substantially higher quality than the usual RE Engine RT reflections I’ve seen in other games on any platform/settings.
Looks like Capcom finally felt compelled to bother upgrading their implementation?
In GIF format it’s almost entirely lost, and it was such an insanely low-res picture to begin with, but trees in the second comparison appear to be reflected with their entire detail preserved, a far cry from your usual RE RT water reflections.
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Vick
Member
These posts are a single day old.. one single day and there's a console version of the game with settings entirely absent on PC.
I'm sure RT will eventually make its way to PC.. but this timing was:
Snake29
Banned
I recommend Dark Matter to you, it is a TV series about parallel realities that you are going to like...
Good way ignoring and reacting with nonsense. We know by now that the PS5 had a performance advantage this gen in majority of the games Nd thats nothing new.
Maybe you are new this gen, but is not shocking. A few games on Xbox don’t change that suddenly.
Physiognomonics
Member
Well on principle I agree with you and most games are still GPU bound.
But some games are very well multithreaded and half a core could in theory create a big difference in framerate if the game is completely CPU bound in a scene. And we know those consoles have pretty weak CPUs: underclocked mobile Zen 2 variants.
That's Ray Traced reflections. With one of the highest quality we have seen on a console.
Interesting how RT reflections appear to be substantially higher quality than the usual RE Engine RT reflections I’ve seen in other games on any platform/settings.
Looks like Capcom finally felt compelled to bother upgrading their implementation?
In GIF format it’s almost entirely lost, and it was such an insanely low-res picture to begin with, but trees in the second comparison appear to be reflected with their entire detail preserved, a far cry from your usual RE RT water reflections.
Zathalus
Member
Technically there isn’t.
Cakeboxer
Member
tommib
Gold Member
Interesting how RT reflections appear to be substantially higher quality than the usual RE Engine RT reflections I’ve seen in other games on any platform/settings.
Looks like Capcom finally felt compelled to bother upgrading their implementation?
In GIF format it’s almost entirely lost, and it was such an insanely low-res picture to begin with, but trees in the second comparison appear to be reflected with their entire detail preserved, a far cry from your usual RE RT water reflections.
What was said then, enjoy your parallel reality then...
Vick
Member
I haven't played Spider-Man 2 admittedly, but as far as I know these actually the best we've seen on a console. There's detailed single leaves of trees far in the distance, outside the windows, behind Frank.
Surely, by far the best RT Reflections out of RE Engine. This bodes really well for RE games Pro support, and future Capcom games.
Very interesting. So there might be a chance for RT shadows as well?
Actually, I believe I can see additional shadows in the outdoor comparison, so perhaps not RT but simply more of them.
Also, "From shadows, to transparencies and Ray tracing not available on xbox or ps5 amateur or PC"
That's the cool part.
Awful timing dude.. coming across as:
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Zathalus
Member
To be fair in just over a month it may very well be, they didn’t bother porting DMC RT reflections to PC, even though it could have been done.
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Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
We missed you in the Space Marine 2 DF topic with these hot takes, snake
That was probably one of the weeks when some people on here were posting that Digital Foundry were shills and the question of should they be considered a trusted source was being debated.
This week they're peerless scientists leading the field.
Physiognomonics
Member
Cakeboxer
Member
As pcmr i can always mod it bigger
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Clear win for ps5 on this one. That speed of the gpu helping out here i guess and all the other magical stuff that I don't understand. Decompression blocks etc.
There's slightly more geometry on the Pro.
Interesting how RT reflections appear to be substantially higher quality than the usual RE Engine RT reflections I’ve seen in other games on any platform/settings.
Looks like Capcom finally felt compelled to bother upgrading their implementation?
In GIF format it’s almost entirely lost, and it was such an insanely low-res picture to begin with, but trees in the second comparison appear to be reflected with their entire detail preserved, a far cry from your usual RE RT water reflections.
Snake29
Banned
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Oh man, I remember this guy. People complain when I use a word here or there, but this chart is so brazen, it makes me blush, lol.
Just using one example, he put Avengers in the 'no significant difference' category. Avengers on PS5 runs with CB (i-e half resolution on one axis) and native on Xbox. The difference in IQ between the two is like the recent differences between PS5 and PS5 Pro in games like Rebirth.
While the performance differences are 'minimal and barely noticeable'.
'No significant difference' my ass, lol.
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I remember that list well and how the author tried to present himself as a neutral person while tons of people appeared correcting him for the endless inconsistencies. Not only did he include "his criteria" in terms of evaluating differences, but he also ignored graphic modes and situations where the DRS was clearly different. Obviously he ended up giving up on making more lists....Oh man, I remember this guy. People complain when I use a word here or there, but this chart is so brazen, it makes me blush, lol.
Just using one example, he put Avengers in the 'no significant difference' category. Avengers on PS5 runs with CB (i-e half resolution on one axis) and native on Xbox. The difference in IQ between the two is like the recent differences between PS5 and PS5 Pro in games like Rebirth.
While the performance differences are 'minimal and barely noticeable'.
'No significant difference' my ass, lol.
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Snake29
Banned
Lol both of you fighting this uphill battle, when is known for 4 years right now that the PS5 has the majority of the games that performed better over the XSX. The fact that there are just a few cases were the XSX has better performance or overall better version is way less. It shows that what devs said from the beginning and shows what Cerny said. They can achieve better results with better software and hardware instead of just throwing in a better GPU and pray for it to handle it by itself. Offloading a lot of tasks from the CPU is why the performance advantage is on the PS5 side with somethimes even graphics advantages on top of it also.
Topher
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PC gamers have been in the fray just as much as anyone since PS5 Pro was announced. Can't really pretend they are just spectating anymore.
PropellerEar
Member
Death of Xbox more likely than PS5 pro announcement.PC gamers have been in the fray just as much as anyone since PS5 Pro was announced. Can't really pretend they are just spectating anymore.
Most PC mustards here are closet rats.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
IKR.
RE engine is GOAT and all but Capcom really didn't need to use a fixed native 4K for this version. DRS or their usual checker-board would have ironed out any drops on either platform.
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This annoyed me greatly. There was a time when DF kept hand waving performance issues the series X had over the PS5 by saying ‘but VRR will clean this up entirely’. This was the time when PS5 didn’t have VRR and VRR adoption was even less frequent than it still is today.