adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
00:00 Overview
00:42 PS5 Pro frame-rate mode
03:42 Resolution mode
06:25 Balanced mode
07:48 PS5 Pro mode comparison
08:52 Analysis and conclusion
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Digital Foundry: Monster Hunter Wilds - PS5 Pro Tech Review - The Best Way To Play On Consoles
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00:00 Overview
00:42 PS5 Pro frame-rate mode
03:42 Resolution mode
06:25 Balanced mode
07:48 PS5 Pro mode comparison
08:52 Analysis and conclusion
SEGAvangelist
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Looks like a nice upgrade.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
- PSSR and RT both in the mix
- Frame Rate mode is more temporally stable than base PS5, cleaner resolve.
- Base image can look sharper because of temporal AA pass but Pro is more smoother but softer
- Frame rate mode: 1080p but not clear what lower resolution it's resolving from. DF thinks it might be just PSSR AA, not up-scaling from a lower base.
- Not a perfect 60 but dips are infrequent, more stable than base PS5.
- Uncapped can hover between 60 to 80, VRR on might help but DF recommends keeping the cap on.
- Pro frame rate mode retains poor SSR reflections like base version.
- Resolution mode uses RT for reflections on bodies of water, generally do a better job than SSR
- RT reflection can suffer from breakup in motion, the volumetric lighting isn't approximate which can make reflections look incorrect, but it is still an improvement over base's SSR
- Resolution mode is slightly softer but smoother than base (same as fame rate mode)
- Dynamic scaling seen in testing
- Runs with 30fps cap and can drop more frequently here compared to base PS5
- Uncapped can run between 35 to 45
- Balanced mode has a 40fps target with optional cap, includes RT like Resolution mode
- DRS detected which can go above or below 1404p
- IQ is, again, smoother but a touch less sharper than base PS5 with a cleaner resolve
- Performance hangs around 40, 41 even with cap disabled
- 120hz mode does not enable LFC on Pro like the base PS5 version
- The most obvious difference in the 3 modes is image quality
- The other notable difference is reflections in bodies of water (Perf. has low quality compared to others), volumetric and lod's are also lower in Performance mode
- Oliver likes the Performance mode here with Balanced being the middle ground, puts Resolution mode last because of the loss in fluidity.
- Looks "A lot better" than base PS5, but Oliver still critiques that the Pro boost here does not bring it up to some other big game Pro boosts.
- Frame Rate mode is more temporally stable than base PS5, cleaner resolve.
- Base image can look sharper because of temporal AA pass but Pro is more smoother but softer
- Frame rate mode: 1080p but not clear what lower resolution it's resolving from. DF thinks it might be just PSSR AA, not up-scaling from a lower base.
- Not a perfect 60 but dips are infrequent, more stable than base PS5.
- Uncapped can hover between 60 to 80, VRR on might help but DF recommends keeping the cap on.
- Pro frame rate mode retains poor SSR reflections like base version.
- Resolution mode uses RT for reflections on bodies of water, generally do a better job than SSR
- RT reflection can suffer from breakup in motion, the volumetric lighting isn't approximate which can make reflections look incorrect, but it is still an improvement over base's SSR
- Resolution mode is slightly softer but smoother than base (same as fame rate mode)
- Dynamic scaling seen in testing
- Runs with 30fps cap and can drop more frequently here compared to base PS5
- Uncapped can run between 35 to 45
- Balanced mode has a 40fps target with optional cap, includes RT like Resolution mode
- DRS detected which can go above or below 1404p
- IQ is, again, smoother but a touch less sharper than base PS5 with a cleaner resolve
- Performance hangs around 40, 41 even with cap disabled
- 120hz mode does not enable LFC on Pro like the base PS5 version
- The most obvious difference in the 3 modes is image quality
- The other notable difference is reflections in bodies of water (Perf. has low quality compared to others), volumetric and lod's are also lower in Performance mode
- Oliver likes the Performance mode here with Balanced being the middle ground, puts Resolution mode last because of the loss in fluidity.
- Looks "A lot better" than base PS5, but Oliver still critiques that the Pro boost here does not bring it up to some other big game Pro boosts.
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Sebastian1295
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I have no idea why Capcom chose to use FSR1 for this game. It really feels like they need to adapt and improve the RE engine for open world games or they need to use a different engine for their open world stuff and keep RE engine for their more linear projects.
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DeepEnigma
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SEGAvangelist
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They got a separate video out of it. Why would you ignore that as a content creator?Lol a 10min video. There was absolutely no reason for them to hold off on separate Pro coverage.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
More clicksLol a 10min video. There was absolutely no reason for them to hold off on separate Pro coverage.
Mister Wolf
Member
Playing a high detail next gen game at 1080p is a joke.
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Embearded
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What do you mean? They didn't plan for PSSR when base PS5 was under development.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Might not even be 1080p, they couldn't nail it down accurately whether it's scaling from a lower resolution or just using PSSR as anti aliasing on native 1080p, cause the final resolve is soft.
DLSS is king
PSSR is for peasants!
Edit: don't kill me papitos i am joking
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HeisenbergFX4
Member
I just wonder when PSSR was implemented because that caught everyone off guard when it was first leaked, but thats for another thread I guess
Horseganador
Member
The difference in image quality in performance mode is huge between PS5 pro and PS5-SX.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
1080p for 60 with dips?
Bring back MT Framework, DD2 and MH deserved better than this.
Bring back MT Framework, DD2 and MH deserved better than this.
Lokaum D+
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diffusionx
Gold Member
running these games at a lower base resolution is literally the point of these Ai techniques. Very few people with $2000 GPUs that are going to burn their house down are playing games at native res.
Bruno_Arrais85
Member
RE Engine really shits the bed on open world games.
Kings Field
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Zuzu
Member
It's better than base PS5 but that performance mode is still disappointing. Oliver thinks that instead of using PSSR to upscale 1080p to a higher resolution Capcom have instead chosen to use it to implement anti-aliasing instead and so it still looks like a 1080p image (though that chart above suggests it is upscaling to 4k from 1080p? - perhaps Oliver is wrong). Why couldn't they have instead dropped the internal resolution to 900p and used PSSR to upscale to 1440p? Maybe something like that could have been done?
Jedi Survivor recently showed that the newest version of PSSR produces a nice 1440p image when upscaling from 900p. But perhaps the Pro doesn't have enough power to upscale from 900p to 1440p. The game does drop to 720p on the base PS5 so maybe all they could do with the Pro's extra 45% power is get it up to a consistent 1080p and add PSSR AA. But I do still wonder whether it may have been possible to go from 900p to 1440p upscaled...
Jedi Survivor recently showed that the newest version of PSSR produces a nice 1440p image when upscaling from 900p. But perhaps the Pro doesn't have enough power to upscale from 900p to 1440p. The game does drop to 720p on the base PS5 so maybe all they could do with the Pro's extra 45% power is get it up to a consistent 1080p and add PSSR AA. But I do still wonder whether it may have been possible to go from 900p to 1440p upscaled...
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Topher
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Which means it could be higher or lower than 1080p.
mansoor1980
Member
PRO version bringing the goods
SSR need to die already , even cube-map reflections look better than them.
SSR need to die already , even cube-map reflections look better than them.
Mister Wolf
Member
The performance of this game is an indictment on Capcom. Has nothing to do with any hardware.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The article goes into more detail, it says that it looks like native 1080p with PSSR being used as anti aliasing, like DLAA, instead of up or down scaling.
Lol a 10min video. There was absolutely no reason for them to hold off on separate Pro coverage.
10 mins video doesn’t mean it took them a short time to capture and edit the content.
saintjules
Member
Lol a 10min video. There was absolutely no reason for them to hold off on separate Pro coverage.
Nothing wrong with splitting up their content for more traffic (clickbait or not). They do that for the DF clips too from what I saw.
yamaci17
Member
yep it is clear that the actual output is 1080p which is why I found funny
considering 4k dlss performance often has a 30% performance cost over actually running native 1080p, and considering the game barely holds 60 FPS with current settings, its not too bad. alternative would be using 4k output but with 800p and lower internal resolution which would anger people even further (like alan wake 2 did)
or they could've used 1440p output which would have helped but then again 1440p output doesn't look all that great on 1080p and 4K screens due to uneven pixel scaling (last of us part 2 performance mode is one such example where 1440p output looks horrible compared to quality mode due to uneven pixel scaling on actual 4k screens)
Putonahappyface
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I might jump on this when it has been patched to death.
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James Sawyer Ford
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Seems like a great Pro version, a big step up in IQ over base consoles with a far more stable Framerate.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Wth is a smooth(er) IQ?
Pedro Motta
Gold Member
Well...better than shit.
viveks86
Member
Ummm yeah? May be you'll empathize more if that's what paid your bills.Lol a 10min video. There was absolutely no reason for them to hold off on separate Pro coverage.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
More temporally stable, less breakup in motion etc, I guess?
GHG
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TrebleShot
Member
1080p just AA LOL ah man, May grab it for the pro if I love it on PC.
ChiefDada
Member
I'm speaking from the perspective of the viewer/end user whose time was wasted. And they could've gotten extra content while simultaneously providing value to the viewer by perhaps doing a PS5 Pro vs PC analysis, or something of the like. But instead they compared Pro vs base PS5, which again would've more sense to include in the original video that already focused on console comparisons and performance.
What's your point here, Ozzy?
viveks86
Member
Is this the first time PSSR has been used purely for AA without upscaling?
It's their prerogative to split their content as much as they need to pay their bills. As long is it's not just empty or recycled clickbait, I have no complaints. How is it a waste though? We had no idea how the Pro was really performing until this video was out. Gamersyde had done a pretty rudimentary review, but no meaningful comparisons at all. With regard to PC vs Pro, I wouldn't be surprised if they have one more video on that. Definitely curious to know how much further the game scales
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SweetTooth
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PS5 Pro folks eating good, it managed to cleanup this unoptimized shit.
SEGAvangelist
Member
I'm curious to know how they wasted our time. If anything, they saved time by not having us see other console results.
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