th4tguy
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Yeah but that is what I'm talking about. The game looks sharp to me. I was expecting a blurry mess but it really isn't a problem to me.
I do sit about 7 ft away from the tv so maybe that's part of it.
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[Digital Foundry] PlayStation 5 Pro Hands-On: 11 Games Tested, PSSR and RT Upgrades Revealed, Developers Interviewed!
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I do sit about 7 ft away from the tv so maybe that's part of it.
Radical_3d
Member
And when the rat slides through a building.Something like this I guess.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Exactly ...this is where im at. Every Sony game so far only using Performance Pro modes is a major disappointment.
Bojji
Member
Other than PD they don't even try, and PD just ported their replay gfx setup into gameplay.
Sony devs seem to do low effort ports on Pro but I guess they did the same on PS4 Pro so it's not suprising.
TheRedRiders
Member
AW2 Pro gameplay being revealed today, I'm looking forward to this one. Developers sound bullish too.
MikeM
Member
Youtube video or something else? Any time mentioned?
TheRedRiders
Member
Saw the Remedy dude post it on X, didn't go into further detail, just said they're dropping "PS5 Pro content today".
I can't currently access X otherwise I would have shared it.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
So far most of the pro upgrades we've seen are pssr related. I'd love to see a developer push harder and add ray tracing where there wasn't before. Things of that nature.
TheRedRiders
Member
AW2's engine is already really heavy because of the amount of geometry they're pushing... although I'm not sure what lighting system is currently being used on the PS5? but yes if they can add in something like RTGI, or RTAO or RT shadows... it'll be a pleasant uplift!
Bojji
Member
They use software GI on every platform. I think the weakest part of PS5 version was (dogshit) SSR and tragic FSR2 quality. Both PSSR and RT reflections should fix this but RT will probably be only in 30fps mode.
Tqaulity
Member
I think the main thing Alan Wake 2 needs is the RT reflections for the quality mode. The fallback is basically non-existent and when you pass by a mirror (of which there are many in the game) it is so immersion breaking to see this messy blob in the reflection. Also, the RT reflections do make an impact in the outdoor areas in puddles of water and the link. The way this game's art is designed, the RT reflections are almost essentially for a convincing experience and missing it on the base consoles was a huge sore spot.
I wouldn't expect any of the full path tracing stuff of course as you can just look at the PC to see how taxing that is. No $700 console box can handle that at reasonable framerates. Get rid of the FSR artifacts w/PSSR, add in higher base resolutions in both perf and quality, and add in those RT reflections and we're looking at a pretty substantial upgrade.
WTF is this? Base console reflections:
PC Max:
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Yeah, this was one game where the PC literally shits on the consoles! I would love for the Pro to do it justice if for nothing else but to double dip! I loved the game!I think the main thing Alan Wake 2 needs is the RT reflections for the quality mode. The fallback is basically non-existent and when you pass by a mirror (of which there are many in the game) it is so immersion breaking to see this messy blob in the reflection. Also, the RT reflections do make an impact in the outdoor areas in puddles of water and the link. The way this game's art is designed, the RT reflections are almost essentially for a convincing experience and missing it on the base consoles was a huge sore spot.
I wouldn't expect any of the full path tracing stuff of course as you can just look at the PC to see how taxing that is. No $700 console box can handle that at reasonable framerates. Get rid of the FSR artifacts w/PSSR, add in higher base resolutions in both perf and quality, and add in those RT reflections and we're looking at a pretty substantial upgrade.
WTF is this? Base console reflections:
PC Max:
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
ayy lmao
What happened to reflections in videogames? Old games like Duke Nukem 3D or Deus Ex seemed to have them sorted out.
How could we regress this much?
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Because instead of the fakery of previous gens, path/ray tracing offer realtime, calculated, imagery.ayy lmao
What happened to reflections in videogames? Old games like Duke Nukem 3D or Deus Ex seemed to have them sorted out.
How could we regress this much?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
So instead of clever tricks, they just enable the RT option on the engine and say goodbye to the performance. Very nice.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Pretty much. Until we get that sorted, that’s the trade off!
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
We are kinda fucked then lol.
Anyway, sorry for the derailment lads, have a funny reflection as gift.
Venom Snake
Member
We are kinda fucked then lol.
Anyway, sorry for the derailment lads, have a funny reflection as gift.
This is the mirror i actually wish i had.
JimboJones
Member
I think the clever tricks they used to use don't scale well with modern rendering so they can end up being more expensive or would have to implemented on a per mirrored reflection basis for it to look correct.
At least that's my understanding of it.(Please correct me if I'm wrong)
RT is expensive but once it's enabled and the reflective surfaces are assigned they "just work".
Then there is the fact that raytracing can help with shadows, global illumination etc as well.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
I was thinking the same, but some (a few) kinda-modern games like Hitman or Uncharted 4 still have working mirrors without RTX, so it sure is doable.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Games that have atrocious image quality on console, even in Fidelity mode- #1 Alan Wake. The aliased, pixel crawling shimmer standz out really badly. Only game that "glistened" with aliasing as bad as this is Modern Warfare 2 of all games
#2 Cyberpunk 2077- just played on PS5 and waz reminded how garbage the Fsr2 is. Any wet surface or reflection is smeared and artifacted to oblivion. This game needs Pro support!
#3. Silent Hill 2- the more i play the more i see the characteristic smearing and ghosting of fsr- not so much the aliased shimmer that AW2 has but hy are walls and reflections "moving" yes the artifacts look like a layerof slime is moving around
#4 black myth- 30 fps has good iq aside from ghosting on leaves and fast moving objects but the other modes suck and bruh who wants to play a game like this at 30 fps?
#5 Jedi Survivor- this ones getting patched which is great
These are the games I wanted patches for the most and only 2 out of 5 is disappointing man.
#2 Cyberpunk 2077- just played on PS5 and waz reminded how garbage the Fsr2 is. Any wet surface or reflection is smeared and artifacted to oblivion. This game needs Pro support!
#3. Silent Hill 2- the more i play the more i see the characteristic smearing and ghosting of fsr- not so much the aliased shimmer that AW2 has but hy are walls and reflections "moving" yes the artifacts look like a layerof slime is moving around
#4 black myth- 30 fps has good iq aside from ghosting on leaves and fast moving objects but the other modes suck and bruh who wants to play a game like this at 30 fps?
#5 Jedi Survivor- this ones getting patched which is great
These are the games I wanted patches for the most and only 2 out of 5 is disappointing man.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Big PS5 Pro week incoming. Seems like some sort of embargo release based on everything we've seen even just today.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Salty Pickle
Member
I want to see Matrix demo.
That 'was' the trick.
There's nothing that goes again modern rendering in it either - what doesn't scale so well is that most modern engines are pretty awful at multi-view rendering (same reason that led to decline of split-screen MP for that matter).
But yes - you'd only get mirrored reflections that way - there's no way to do other shaped surfaces without really complex workarounds - and self-reflections are just off the table. Or alternatively resort to SSR hacks, which help to ground scenes but fall apart the moment you pay any attention to what's actually in reflection.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
FrankWza
Gold Member
Good call. Forgot about that.
kevboard
Member
it's mostly CPU limited. so I bet it will still run like absolutely shit.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Monster Hunter Wilds on Pro
Non-confirmed games: SH2, FF16, Returnal, GoWR
Of course the big ones that have gotten a lot of attention too, definitely SM2 fidelity Pro
They should do a quick analysis of tons of non-large titles too
Non-confirmed games: SH2, FF16, Returnal, GoWR
Of course the big ones that have gotten a lot of attention too, definitely SM2 fidelity Pro
They should do a quick analysis of tons of non-large titles too
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