SEGAvangelist
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It worked for Titanfall!Lol that awesome 10 % gain from 720p to 792p woooww
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Digital Foundry: Remnant 2 - An Unreal Engine 5 Nanite Showcase? PS5 vs Xbox Series X/S DF Tech Review
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I’d like to see devs actually tax the consoles and get 100% out of them before we should talk about Pro consoles. I have no problem with devs only going with 30 fps, if it’s pushing other visual areas. I think very few studios have come close to reaching the PS5 or Series X potential.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Physiognomonics
Member
Of course TSR is much better than FSR. FSR is a PR hoax.
yamaci17
Member
neogaf logic
on PC:
1080p dlss quality is unusable, 720p is too few to work with (despite being a dedicated high quality AI based algorythm)
what? you use dlss balance at 1440p_? u play at 860p!1
on consoles:
1440p regular temporal performance is usable, it looks fine, 792p is just a buzzword (despite being a generic temporal upscaler)
I'm not saying it looks bad good or anything, but it is quite funny seeing such extreme hypocrisy from people. somehow whenever I mentioned how DLSS is even very usable at 1080p and breathes life into 2060/2060 super and alike, I always get "it is 720p lulz"
on PC:
1080p dlss quality is unusable, 720p is too few to work with (despite being a dedicated high quality AI based algorythm)
what? you use dlss balance at 1440p_? u play at 860p!1
on consoles:
1440p regular temporal performance is usable, it looks fine, 792p is just a buzzword (despite being a generic temporal upscaler)
I'm not saying it looks bad good or anything, but it is quite funny seeing such extreme hypocrisy from people. somehow whenever I mentioned how DLSS is even very usable at 1080p and breathes life into 2060/2060 super and alike, I always get "it is 720p lulz"
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tkscz
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It's upscaled to 1440p well enough to compare to PC running in native 1440p, so if no one told you it was native 720p, you would've never known.
SportsFan581
Member
Well, technically that is 100% true. Fortnite is using Nanite and Lumen on console at 60fps, the resolution and framerate is controlled by what the developers choose to put in there (the creative decisions they make).
The consoles are what they are, and devs could choose to run everything at 4k 120 if they desired (games would be super simple though), the hardware really isn't ever the issue unless the designs are fundamentally broken in some way.
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Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
No, how about they actually optimize it properly?!
Pedro Motta
Member
Have you actually played any of these games recently? FF16 for instance also supposodely drops to 720p, never once I felt the image was blurred or with artifacts. Fear mongering is so stupid, go play the games instead of being angry at pixels.
Celcius
°Temp. member
I don't have an xbox so I don't keep up with how games run on that
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
And I heard people say the exact opposite. This is a technical discussion. I don't care about your feelings and no one is angry at pixels.
Awesome if you enjoy your game as you should. Just don't misconstrue something in an attempt to prove a point. 1440p native doesn't look "identical to 720p upscaled". No one said that.
Fbh
Member
I think that's partially on the devs but also on gaming tech maturing to the point that improvements are becoming slower and more expensive.
Making something that looks twice as good as OG FF7 was relatively "easy", making something that looks twice as good as RDR2 or TLOU2 isn't going to be easy.
Personally I wish more devs would stop chasing graphics. With the hardware on the Ps5 and SX we could consistently get AAA games that look as good as the best looking games of last gen running at 60fps and like native 1440p.
I'd much rather get that than small graphical upgrades that bring the resolution down to 720p and can't even hold 60fps.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Well we see how thats working out the further we get into this generation so give me more power in my consoles
And yes I have a nice PC but still want more juice in my PS5
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Seems to work beautifully with Fortnite.
proandrad
Member
If the only people that can get the engine running well are the ones that who created the engine, maybe there is a problem with the engine. I don’t see any of these issues with decima or source engine.
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I don’t disagree. But I also don’t think devs are likely taking the time to optimize better. Epic has a financial reason to make its tent pole title run and look great on the UE6. I’m sure they spent a stupid amount of time and money at the engine. I don’t think most devs will take the time and just be ok with the consoles tech and the game engine to do the heavy lifting.
ByWatterson
Member
That sound you hear is a LOT of people reacquainting themselves with 30fps.
Me included.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
At least it's not $70.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I never stopped. I think I’ve always used quality modes.
proandrad
Member
Definitely the reason. Optimization is the last thing devs do and these games are coming in too hot. Plague tale proved all the devs need is more time to deliver a good performance mode. I blame Sony and Microsoft for not putting better quality standards on game graphic modes.
Wishmaster92
Member
Has to be asset quality, some sections really do look pre-rendered but the visuals as a whole are all over the place, especially the character models.
Csokis
Member
1280x720
Portugeezer
Member
I was just watching the video and was very surprised when I heard 792p on balanced.
I never would have guessed. Impressive upscaling.
I never would have guessed. Impressive upscaling.
HeisenbergFX4
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Portugeezer
Member
The video is a still shot?In still shots sure and likely a reason why you can't disable motion blur
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Gimme dat 999 dollar ps5 Pro x console
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Maybe the game is good, but going strictly on adamapple's recap, game's technical specs and performance sound major shit-o-la.
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SportsFan581
Member
I see this as just the first wave in the coming tidal change. I suspect that gamers will have to reposition how they feel about resolution/upscaling/fps etc. (both on console and PC) once UE5 hits its stride.
I don't see that as a bad thing, really just a sign of progress, but it will be a bit of a shot to budget players in all spaces. Those with a 4090/80 or a 7900xtx will probably be fine, but all the budget cards that are so popular will probably really have to work for it.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It's not shit-o-la, the performance is just not consistent but we've seen other games do worse.
The native pixel count is low on paper but that's what all these up-scaling techs are for.
It's comparable to native 1440p on PC and exceeds 1440p with FSR2 on PC equivalent setups.
It's doing exactly what it's intended to do.
S0ULZB0URNE
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Pedro Motta
Member
Weird, I just played the game for a few hours now and it has a motion blur toggle. Did DF test the game with a previous patch?In still shots sure and likely a reason why you can't disable motion blur
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Did they already fix it? Would be nice if they did
StereoVsn
Gold Member
The issue is that consoles aren't running DLSS. And FSR 2.x just doesn't do well reconstructing from such a low res, especially in motion.
And even for DLSS and especially FSR 2.x, it's much more preferable to reconstruct from 1440p or at least 1080p to 4K.
VN1X
Banned
As stated in the other thread but the performance on PC is shockingly bad.
I can live with dips in framerates, especially when the game is pushing a lot of graphical fidelity in specific scenes but when I'm staring down a nondescript corridor with some pipes and windows it shouldn't be dropping down to 40fps (that's with FSR Performance enabled btw lol). Warframe's presentation is similar yet despite it boasting a ton more enemies and effects on screen it has no issue staying at a high framerate at high resolutions.
UE5 seemingly requires some black magic voodoo in order for it to run properly on modern machines.
I can live with dips in framerates, especially when the game is pushing a lot of graphical fidelity in specific scenes but when I'm staring down a nondescript corridor with some pipes and windows it shouldn't be dropping down to 40fps (that's with FSR Performance enabled btw lol). Warframe's presentation is similar yet despite it boasting a ton more enemies and effects on screen it has no issue staying at a high framerate at high resolutions.
UE5 seemingly requires some black magic voodoo in order for it to run properly on modern machines.
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Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Careful . Around here everyone just shits on remnant without having played a second of it and only watched a 480p video on their Samsung Galaxy 5 to determine it’s a butt ugly game.
And the Ps5 Pro will be a Pro of a Pro of a Pro console? Realistically what do people expect a PS5 pro to bring to games like this and Jedi, 792p at a locked 60 instead of some dips? 1080@30 instead of 720p@30? I don’t think a Pro console is going to be as transformative as some are hoping for.
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Mr.Phoenix
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This game isnt even using FSR.
And I get it, reconstruction that is not Dlss is bad as most would want us to believe. My thing though, is that calling these games 720p/1080p...whatever, is just disingenuous. To me, they resolve all the details they otherwise would have had at their target rez, but may be softer or have erratic image stability... thats a different issue and should be discussed on its own right.
Someone coming in and saying here duh 720p is not contributing to that conversation in any way.
DuduIsDisappointed
Banned
Why are we discussing mandatory numbers when the end result we see on the screen is a lot better than the false impression those numbers give?
Do People really think it looks exaclty like the 720p of an Xbox 360? Lol
People still think is all that matter for image quality?
Just remember that image quality of RE4 remake on ps5 was very criticized despite the fact that it was higher in numbers than the XSX wich was the praised version.
If the technique for res Scale and reconstruction can provide very crisp then the "Xamount.p" is the New "Teraflops is all that matter"
bender
What time is it?
Remnant was a really enjoyable game but visually it felt a generation behind. I'm only a handful of hours into the sequel but the descriptor of the original seems to fit the sequel as well. I think where most people's disappointment lies is that not only does is often look dated and simplistic, but it is also turning in shoddy performance. Remnant 2 getting a price bump from the original also doesn't help things as some of those warts are harder to overlook the further you stray from being a budget title.
DuduIsDisappointed
Banned
This.
The game has no motion blur option on Series S only due to the weak GPU. All others have always had it AFAIK.