Dictator93
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At the sametime, there were tons of people who were suspicious after 4K screenshots were released. The river runs both ways in this example.
Digital Foundry vs DriveClub
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At the sametime, there were tons of people who were suspicious after 4K screenshots were released. The river runs both ways in this example.
qa_engineer
Member
I would really like to hear the writer extrapolate on this point. Quite frankly it sounds ridiculous to me. He should have just used the term "corridor racer."
Always-honest
Banned
That's what i said, right? Af? No, you said worst aliassing. It's not. I'm playing Wolfenstein now and it's faar worse (goty by the way thus far).
They should have used a different track for the free demo, for sure.
And the textures aren't that great, but i can understand that for a big part. You'll never be upclose with these textures and you'll be passing them at high speed. The game, and most racing games, are made with that in mind.
But, when it comes to AA solitions, i have to say i expected better. Even though it looks acceptable for this gen imo.
Is there a way they could patch in a better solution or is it really hard for a game like this?
I feel some people are being really really harsh on this game. Its clear man, sacrifices had to be made, pretty early on they would have set a target that wanted to achieve and to come as close as they did (even with years extra development) have done awesome. I mean there are some noticable jaggies but people are going on like this game has no AA what so ever and we've been fed a blurry mess.
Me personally I would have done things a little differently but man, you've got take hats off to what they HAVE done.
Me personally I would have done things a little differently but man, you've got take hats off to what they HAVE done.
WOW! I thought this type of stuff would have been left behind in the last gen.
To be fair, that's just a practical reality of the hardware used, and the underlying priorities. Depending on the situation, you'll see that in any of the best looking games. That's a real reflection, not just a Screen-Space reflection, so unless the hardware can handle running a scene several times over, you need a lower resolution framebuffer for it.
Its not real reflection, it is cubemap, so basically a texture and its quality depends solely on texture resolution used for a cubemap coverage.
Reflection technique used since forever.
I though they would increase resolution over the time, but it seems they didnt.
WEBM from the old trailer: [full screen it]
http://a.pomf.se/dwtyek.webm
FeiRR
Banned
I really hope it isn't (and it wasn't in English). In gaming media there's always a lot of pressure on reviewers. It wasn't until I switched to a PC software magazine when I learnt how to write proper, reliable reviews with no outside pressure. I can't even imagine what's happening in online portals where ads generate income and publishers play a major part in it.
cyen
Member
I think they should have went with a more traditional AA solution like MSAA.
various sega arcade raers, Fzero, trackmania are million times better if we are talking arcade racers not car combat games BO2 had better racing than Bo3.
I agree with the complaint about open world it's not needed for games.
Always-honest
Banned
Is that possible? Does that work good on a game like this? I'm asking people who know. The weird thing is that a lot of the first party games look really good in iq on PS4.
Yep, i also think they have a better understanding of what evolution wanted to do with the game, instead of other sites who just wanted it to be a game it is not.
ninjablade
Banned
I think the most damaging thing to the the IQ is the poor AF, and the washed out colors, compared to the B roll footage and earlier trailer.
Allez Phill
Banned
Oh, I know, I'm really just saying that whenever a Gif was posted, it was followed by 'OMG, HOLY SHIIT' It seemed kind of funny watching people spam Gifs when videos are readily available, not to mention it ruined many of my devices chances of running the thread.
It's amusing to say the least. You might even say eye opening lol.
I really hope that's not the case, because the official promotion language specified that it didn't:
(That's not to say it isn't, but it would mean the were making shoddy claims)
bananafactory
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XGoldenboyX
Member
Thats actually real time reflection. Just that the resolution buffer is low. Quite normal!
Realistic lighting = washed out colours. The hits keep coming lol.
See the problem is the bigger you make your levels (in general) the more your level design will lack. Where's the crafted scenarios that pushes certain gameplay choices? If you can do "everything", then what's the point? Where's the design?
ninjablade
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Dictator93
Member
I am not sure why anyone would say anything negative about this games use of colors. It definitely is great in that department.
At the same time, that is most obviously not a real version of the game. If anything, that is some like.... perfect IQ 0 pop in 100% shadow distance version of the game.
Loll well at least you can see the reflection of his hand, but yeah missing off-viewport information results in the rest of his body not showing up as SSR. I think the the reflection of the environment is a localised cube map though.
Nah, if it would be completely dynamic body of a driver who is opening the door would be reflected in the windshield.
It could be dynamic in a way that its generated on the fly as You move through environments to avoid streaming, but how knows.
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This resolution is normal to You? I mean sure, games use half and sometimes even quarter res for reflections, but this is at 240p or lower levels.
I guess that's true. The Need for Speed games aren't really full open-world. They're more open-road, with segments that connect with each other. They're still definitely not circuit racers though, and I'd place them closer to FH2 than I would to FM/GT.. after all FH1 was basically the same thing, and the level of freedom has simply increased in the sequel.
I wouldn't bring Project Gotham into this really either, as Need for Speed's been more open since Underground 2, and Project Gotham (and even Forza) has never been in its league saleswise.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Their Destiny comparison mentioned the extra content on PS4 as a boon as well. Did you take a stance on that as well?
ninjablade
Banned
Maybe it's just me but with better color palette, 4x msaa, and good AF we would have been very close to this. if the ps4 is being maxed out cause of the lighting engine in a 30fps racing game, then maybe it's not the best fit for the console.
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MikeHaggar
Member
so what is going on in this thread? have we decided this game is now ugly?
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
I can only wish that Driveclub will be as good as those games. You are naming the very top of the class of arcade racing there. Wipeout HD was godlike by all accounts and rates at like 85%. And that game was $20.
In the spirit of a Digital Foundry tech analysis, most are talking about the technical aspects of the game's visuals.
We're trying :' (
Always-honest
Banned
Yeah this is what i thought the game would look like. It looks good. But not this good.
Summer Haze
Banned
I know you weren't talking to me directly, but seeing as you used my quote as an example, I'd like to say that I still think it's the best looking racer I've ever seen. Not sure why my opinion would be changed....
It's a little inconsistent graphically, but DC at it's best is still the best looking racer ever, imo.
CurlySaysX
Banned
The lack of AF does make the textures look quite soft and muddy.
Once you are in motion it's not really a big deal, and you can easily spot an upcoming corner from a fair distance, so you can pick your line and take the corner well, so jaggies or whatever doesn't seem to be a problem - or at least for me.
The lack of AF is very disappointing though. I usually pump it to 16X when I'm on pc.
Once you are in motion it's not really a big deal, and you can easily spot an upcoming corner from a fair distance, so you can pick your line and take the corner well, so jaggies or whatever doesn't seem to be a problem - or at least for me.
The lack of AF is very disappointing though. I usually pump it to 16X when I'm on pc.
ninjablade
Banned
Its still the best looking racing game on any console, but you expect more from sony, since they always seem to deliver in blowing away people expectations when it comes to graphics.
Ninjablade, you are a winner.
bananafactory
Banned
Spot on for me. Not perfect, but even with it's flaws it's still miles ahead of anything else I've seen.
True. My point is more this there seems to be a weird and I'd argue hard to justify desire by a few sites to somehow raise the issue of not being open world being some kind of negative for this game which is nonsense.
I doubt Driveclub is perfect (and I'm waiting for the delayed Plus version to test it out) and in fact overall the DF article is very positive as I read it but that one little bit just stands out because it ties to other reviews and is just silly. It's not what the game is nor does it need to be nor is it suddenly "behind the times" for racing games to not be open world or semi-open world. It's just doesn't make sense at all.
Reading reviews issues with aggressive AI, penalty system, etc. all make sense to be brought up but that point is moot. It's like criticizing TLOU for not being open world or GTA for not being focused and linear and narrative driven: you're literally judging based on inappropriate criteria for that particular game.
Dragonborn
Member
Feels like a love or hate it game which is kind of what I expected, but good to hear it looks amazing (also as expected). Hopefully the PS+ version is up soon.
Neuromancer
Member
needs some bru skies
It's not just PS4. It seems to effect both consoles.
Why? Who the hell knows. AF isn't known as a very demanding addition in PC games. I have no idea why many developers have left it out.
Console war nonsense. Ignore the ridiculous comments.
You're acting like this is a problem exclusive to PS4 there are also plenty of games WITH AF.
AgentP
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Confirmation bias?
Lion Heart
Banned
Great write up by DF although that comment about being open world is excruciatingly frustrating and I really hope devs don't abandon REAL FUCKING RACING TRACKS in favour of open world design.
There is no worse genre for open world than racing games. Aimless garbage, driving around without purpose. Are we racing or driving here. People complain about GT menus then praise spending 10 minutes driving to your next event. It's like the worst part of GTA made into a game.
Now, back to the tech talk, what's with the lack of AF? Obviously lots of PS games do it without issue so why are some games completely botched.
There is no worse genre for open world than racing games. Aimless garbage, driving around without purpose. Are we racing or driving here. People complain about GT menus then praise spending 10 minutes driving to your next event. It's like the worst part of GTA made into a game.
Now, back to the tech talk, what's with the lack of AF? Obviously lots of PS games do it without issue so why are some games completely botched.
Sadly this has become the case for PS4 with AF: any hint of AF issues and it's the console not the game for some despite evidence to the contrary.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Some developers care.
Washed out colours?
Are we playing the same game?
Well, compared to Evo's color-graded trailers and bullshots...
The game does not look like this at all. I'm simply talking about the color palette. I don't think it's at all unbelievable that someone would consider the retail game to look washed out in comparison.
Honestly, I don't even know why do PC games even give you the option to change AF anymore, it should be at 16x by default. It costs nothing.