digital_ghost
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You won't have to. Gaf will be flooded with news from Summer Game Fest.So, no reason to watch. Thanks Geoff. I won't
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Don't expect big reveals at Summer Games Fest, says Geoff Keighley
ByWatterson
Member
Not at all - the games business is changing as it always has, but it's bigger than ever. Going through a correction is not the same thing as the structural collapse movies are experiencing - in part because of games.
vodka-bull
Member
To be honest I don‘t expect anything big anymore in this generation. It‘s been the worst generation so far, Triple A games are generic as fuck, I don‘t like remakes and nobody’s gonna reinvent the wheel. Indies are helping a lot but even they can‘t rescue this generation from drowning in remakes and boring content.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
That is what I thought two years ago. Now though I am not so sure. All my friends who have kids 15 and under only own ipads and iphones. None of them have consoles, I know that is a small sample size, but if they are all playing Roblox on their ipads and not transition to other "traditional" games as they get older, that feels like user erosion to me.
Sony and Microsoft are also chasing those "tent pole" releases...or they are trying and currently failing at least. When 6 games produce 51% of your platforms revenue and the other 49% is made up of everything else it starts to stink of "Marvel movie syndrome".
I hope I am wrong!
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Barakov
Member
If he's saying it, you know it's bad.
During the session, Keighley confirmed that a lot of games wouldn't be on show. Metal Gear Solid Delta: Snake Eater will not by shown, for example. Kingdom Hearts 4 is also off the table, as is The Wolf Among Us 2. Neither should we expect anything about upcoming BioShock-like shooter Judas, nor anything on future Five Nights At Freddy's games.
Keighley contrasted the Summer Game Fest with his other big show, The Game Awards, which is normally the place for reveals, he says.
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TrebleShot
Member
Don't expect us to watch it then you silly cunt
WitchHunter
Banned
E3 was great... but fucking journos ruined it with "this shit stole the show" madness. Meh.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I’m kinda glad it’s not an anticipation extravaganza. I’m happy with a lot of already announced games. I’m curious to see what he will show off. Half the time there’s complaints over the big shots and the indie developers get the spotlight. It’s about the same thing. Wait till the AAA games spotlight shines by its gameplay and not its trailer.
rhodesianshepard
Banned
E3 died primarily because massive publishers realized they can save millions of dollars by having events of their own. Not to mention, Sony and Nintendo are not announcing games years in advance because they don't have to
newtypepilot
Member
From "you will own nothing and be happy!" to "we have nothing big to show but please watch anyways" lol
it has to be pretty bad if he's trying to manage expectations, because the goto play is to always overhype things even knowing it'll be lackluster.
it has to be pretty bad if he's trying to manage expectations, because the goto play is to always overhype things even knowing it'll be lackluster.
ShaikhCroft
Member
Everytime he overhype the show and it turns out to be a shitshow!
Is he doing the opposite now?
Is he doing the opposite now?
Shits_McGiggles
Member
It’s impossible for Geoff to underpromise and overdeliver on anything. His ego is too large to do so.Everytime he overhype the show and it turns out to be a shitshow!
Is he doing the opposite now?
The fact that he is downplaying the show means that it is going to be really bad.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I'm pumped to see updates on Concord and Arc Raiders. Reveals are not the end all be all.
Still wake the deep releases in two weeks
Yeah and I do want that. Still tho, it’s not quite what I’ve been looking for, given its horror theming and scare factor. I’ll still enjoy it I’m sure. Latest I polished off was killer frequency, which whilst technically horror, ie a serial killer was running around town, it was super chill and pretty light hearted, I guess that’s the vibe I’m looking for.
DragoonWalker
Member
This far in and how many games actually feels next gen with features that make you feel like the medium is moving forward? That doesn't feel like last gen leftovers? That 2D->3D Mario->Shenmue->MGS2->Uncharted 2->Witcher 3 leap? Keep in mind all those came out fairly early in their respective gens. The Matrix demo? Baldur's Gate 3? Cyberpunk and Starfield were in over their heads. Everyone else is coasting or still years out.
The only big time wheel reinventing thing on the horizon looks like Crimson Desert, who knows how nerfed and broken that's going to be, if it releases at all. GTA IV will have a groundbreaking open world and same old limited interaction and jank gameplay.
Because unbelievable expectations lead to disappointment and anger.
Kokoloko85
Member
Just bring bacn e3.
All these shows that barely show anything nee are shit
All these shows that barely show anything nee are shit
Toots
Gold Member
Toots
Gold Member
You don't seem to understand.So we hate him when he "overhypes" and also hate him when he's being candid and managing expectations...
We hate because he's the dorito pope, because of his sellout state of mind. Of course his eminently punchable face doesn't help his case.
chromatic9
Member
I wasn't.
I have my dayglow hero shooter lifetime subscription service game. I will play that and be happy.
I have my dayglow hero shooter lifetime subscription service game. I will play that and be happy.
Lucifers Beard
Member
I'm not watching this. I can't stand the guy.
Johnny Concrete
Member
Don’t fall for it, guys. It’s his new strategy: downhyping the event and then overdelivering.
So the show is going to be amazing and filled with huge announcements to the brim!
So the show is going to be amazing and filled with huge announcements to the brim!
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Don't forget why E3 went away. Crunch, cost and politics. Publishers aren't going to submit themselves wholesale to third party trade shows, and devs are not going to take having serious showcase deadlines every year in the summer sitting down.
CamHostage
Member
I'm just confused by the math that some people are trying to use to say that this is bad but that E3 would have been good if it were still alive today. They didn't make games so that there was a show; they had a show because they had made games. With production taking so long and studio output being so diminished, the games don't exist to show.
In the times when E3 had power and the marketing timeline of big Christmas titles being ready to reveal come summertime made sense, it sometimes did force publishers to make some kind of show happen. However, often what they showed wasn't actually "up their sleeves", instead they made shit up in an emergency display of sales potential. Desperately showing anything, sometimes just logos and maybe voiceover for productions shortly after a greenlight, other times even CG target renders and concept videos that the developers begged not to be shown because they've got 0% of the game done, that ended up with a ton of stuff that never actually came close to making it to market. That E3 2005 PS3 announcement event still haunts Sony with its bogus Killzone 2 and Motorstorm 'trailers'.
Everything that made E3 a prep for the upcoming sales seasons is pretty different now, as is the need to woo retailers to buying into a product line and press coming into the booth to schedule the next 6 months of coverage. E3 was already a pretend show for many years before (it almost died in the curtailed airplane hangar 2007 show,) and publishers only put in the effort to make up additional E3 Vaporware like Agent and Bioshock Vita because these announcements could help book hardware allotments in stores. Now, that tactic isn't as powerful, as even the "real" games like Everwild and Wolverine and Perfect Dark and Fable take so long to release that it doesn't make a lot of sense to make up even more BS or announce more games even further out when fatigue has set in waiting for the games we were promised when the console was announced.
By default that the game industry was in better shape then, so the events were more healthy in titles, but if you look at what was in E3 2017 or 2016 and compare them to for example the 2020 Sony and Xbox showcases (which also had some of that "forced reveal" stuff you talked about earlier,) it's not that different when the games are there. And Sony was already moving towards showing fewer titles, with its then-bizarre E3 2018 showcase of 3 games being more a portent of A) the choice to highlight specific in long-form showings of titles ready for the hype cycle rather than sizzle reels of lots of titles in all different states of development being a smarter tactic and also B) the extended timelines of game production having an impact in how many titles they had in the works as it was.
The Big 3 publisher showcases were also increasingly padded with 3rd Party announcements, which left the other events of the show empty (and same for the actual E3 itself... E3 tended to be over the Tuesday before the floor even opened because all the announcements came and everything exciting announced wasn't actually ready on the floor to play or were in developer-controlled demos which were the same segments as the announcement.) E3 was a more compressed experience, which was nicer in some ways, (some people like having announcements happen all year round, others prefer that isolated once-a-year "big party bash" of E3, plus the lesser Gamescom + TGS events.) However, I think some people are forgettiing how mediocre the recent E3s were (in terms of razzle-dazzle and groundbreaking announcements to look forward to) than in the golden times, and the reasons for it going downhill are the same as the reasons why these summer showcase events aren't as powerful either.
In the times when E3 had power and the marketing timeline of big Christmas titles being ready to reveal come summertime made sense, it sometimes did force publishers to make some kind of show happen. However, often what they showed wasn't actually "up their sleeves", instead they made shit up in an emergency display of sales potential. Desperately showing anything, sometimes just logos and maybe voiceover for productions shortly after a greenlight, other times even CG target renders and concept videos that the developers begged not to be shown because they've got 0% of the game done, that ended up with a ton of stuff that never actually came close to making it to market. That E3 2005 PS3 announcement event still haunts Sony with its bogus Killzone 2 and Motorstorm 'trailers'.
Everything that made E3 a prep for the upcoming sales seasons is pretty different now, as is the need to woo retailers to buying into a product line and press coming into the booth to schedule the next 6 months of coverage. E3 was already a pretend show for many years before (it almost died in the curtailed airplane hangar 2007 show,) and publishers only put in the effort to make up additional E3 Vaporware like Agent and Bioshock Vita because these announcements could help book hardware allotments in stores. Now, that tactic isn't as powerful, as even the "real" games like Everwild and Wolverine and Perfect Dark and Fable take so long to release that it doesn't make a lot of sense to make up even more BS or announce more games even further out when fatigue has set in waiting for the games we were promised when the console was announced.
By default that the game industry was in better shape then, so the events were more healthy in titles, but if you look at what was in E3 2017 or 2016 and compare them to for example the 2020 Sony and Xbox showcases (which also had some of that "forced reveal" stuff you talked about earlier,) it's not that different when the games are there. And Sony was already moving towards showing fewer titles, with its then-bizarre E3 2018 showcase of 3 games being more a portent of A) the choice to highlight specific in long-form showings of titles ready for the hype cycle rather than sizzle reels of lots of titles in all different states of development being a smarter tactic and also B) the extended timelines of game production having an impact in how many titles they had in the works as it was.
The Big 3 publisher showcases were also increasingly padded with 3rd Party announcements, which left the other events of the show empty (and same for the actual E3 itself... E3 tended to be over the Tuesday before the floor even opened because all the announcements came and everything exciting announced wasn't actually ready on the floor to play or were in developer-controlled demos which were the same segments as the announcement.) E3 was a more compressed experience, which was nicer in some ways, (some people like having announcements happen all year round, others prefer that isolated once-a-year "big party bash" of E3, plus the lesser Gamescom + TGS events.) However, I think some people are forgettiing how mediocre the recent E3s were (in terms of razzle-dazzle and groundbreaking announcements to look forward to) than in the golden times, and the reasons for it going downhill are the same as the reasons why these summer showcase events aren't as powerful either.
Gambit2483
Member
Even when E3 was "bad" it gave us unforgettable memes and moments.
I miss old E3 … and booth babes.
This is just bland apathy when it's bad.
The game awards is really the new E3
HeisenbergFX4
Member
New DOOM for example is not a big reveal?
cormack12
Gold Member
The_Observer
Member
This is a nice post, honestly, with many truths in it that I agree with. But still, for me, even the worst E3 was infinitely better than any of these shitshows we got since the last E3.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
Never forget...
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
New DOOM for example is not a big reveal?
Doom isn't getting revealed at Keighley's stream. That'd be the Xbox showcase stream.
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Dr. Wilkinson
Member
I appreciate that he is at least attempting to manage expectations. Even tho I think for various reasons, many of which are not his fault, SGF is just nowhere near as good as E3 was, and it's no replacement at all in most respects.
If Nintendo were to participate it would help quite a bit, but I just don't see that happening the way things are nowadays. Nintendo doesn't even announce anything at the TGAs anymore.
If Nintendo were to participate it would help quite a bit, but I just don't see that happening the way things are nowadays. Nintendo doesn't even announce anything at the TGAs anymore.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
I'm not following.
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Dr. Wilkinson
Member
COVID killed it. But it would have eventually died, anyway. Once Sony pulled out in 2019 the oxygen was sucked out of the room and the writing was on the wall. COVID just accelerated it. Without all three platform holders doing a giant booth and a Direct/ press conference, it's just pointless. Everyone needs to be there or it's not worthwhile and it doesn't work.
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Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Sunday is fun. Tuesday is fun. Assuming the Direct and the Xbox showcase are... halfway decent. And assuming Nintendo airs on Tuesday.
SportsFan581
Member
Given how far we are into this gen I thought we might at least have one big announcement
I miss E3
I would even take days off just to watch it all
Yes I know…
E3 was like a holiday for gaming nerds.
The mistake of the summer game fest was spreading things out. Everything being crammed together made it easier to take in (for those just following the news from home). Though there is always the possibility that he is trying to under promise and over deliver.
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Wulfer
Member
Surprisingly, the only one that comes close to what E3 was in show and style is Microsoft! Microsoft takes the crown because they take the time to do a high quality show because they have so many IP's. Go figure????
Oppoi
Member
Buy out the industry then brag about it. Yeah that's Microsoft alright.
