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[jaundicejuice]

I've played with some pretty awful Faceless Void's but tonight was the first one where I've had a Void actively cause my team to lose with multiple, terrible Chronospheres that basically resulted in team wipes. He would basically, unintentionally, set us up for Shadow Fiends ult. Get stunned by Leshrac and accomplish nothing, other than makign us lose teamfights.

We were winning when he just farmed in our jungle but he cost us some mid-late game fights that resulted in losing towers and barracks when he came out to "help".

It was All Random, ended up playing Support Doom, which wasn't entirely awful. With Devour I had a Mek up pretty quickly. It was just dicey because Doom's early mana pool is so shit, got arcanes and drums next and things got better quickly. I actually liked playing Doom like that.

 

[M.D]

I've played with some pretty awful Faceless Void's but tonight was the first one where I've had a Void actively cause my team to lose with multiple, terrible Chronospheres that basically resulted in team wipes. He would basically, unintentionally, set us up for Shadow Fiends ult. Get stunned by Leshrac and accomplish nothing, other than makign us lose teamfights.

We were winning when he just farmed in our jungle but he cost us some mid-late game fights that resulted in losing towers and barracks when he came out to "help".

It was All Random, ended up playing Support Doom, which wasn't entirely awful. With Devour I had a Mek up pretty quickly. It was just dicey because Doom's early mana pool is so shit, got arcanes and drums next and things got better quickly. I actually liked playing Doom like that.

Speaking of Void..

The last 2 games I played him, I didn't get BF and got Midas > Morbid Mask > Crystalis (or the other way around)

It worked out pretty great! BF is such an expensive item, I really don't think it gives him that much compared to the cost and if you Chrono naked with BF, you won't do shit.
When I went in pretty early with Crystalis and some good attack speed, it wasn't completely useless.

 

[Semblance]

At least it's not like this.

"First blood, with a poison twist!"
Teammate of guy that died to FB: ggwpff

No, but I had one of those earlier today. With a Viper on my team who lost to a QoP.

Spoiler

The Viper is on my friend's list.

I really need more people to play with, GAF. ;___;

It was All Random, ended up playing Support Doom, which wasn't entirely awful. With Devour I had a Mek up pretty quickly. It was just dicey because Doom's early mana pool is so shit, got arcanes and drums next and things got better quickly. I actually liked playing Doom like that.

Utility Doom is weirdly fun. Other heroes can play that role better, sure, but it's hardly the worst thing in the world. Kinda like support Wraith King. It should be awful on paper, but it somehow works out okay.

 

[NBtoaster]

Every time I play Natures Prophet I regret not going Dagon first.

 

[Acinixys]

At least it's not like this.

"First blood, with a poison twist!"
Teammate of guy that died to FB: ggwpff

The preemptive GG call is never fun

Had a game a few days ago when the Lion on my team called GG at 23 minutes. We won at 70.

Speaking of Void..

The last 2 games I played him, I didn't get BF and got Midas > Morbid Mask > Crystalis (or the other way around)

It worked out pretty great! BF is such an expensive item, I really don't think it gives him that much compared to the cost and if you Chrono naked with BF, you won't do shit.
When I went in pretty early with Crystalis and some good attack speed, it wasn't completely useless.

Im fairly sure Hylian7 worked out that Maelstrom does WAY more damage early game than a BF could ever achieve. I really like Deso and Crit on Void before BF. Makes getting solo kills much easier

 

[panthapanda]

BF on Void is really just to help him farm faster since he's pretty useless early game any way. And then there is that small chance that you get a really good ultimate and you know the rest lol. I haven't played Void in this metagame but his early game is trash either way you build him.

 

[kasane]

Im having a hard time teaching a friend who used to play LoL

 

[dmshaposv]

BristleBoss 2 stronk.

http://dotabuff.com/matches/453531028

Outcarried a TA. So good.

 

[NBtoaster]

Im fairly sure Hylian7 worked out that Maelstrom does WAY more damage early game than a BF could ever achieve.

I really doubt that.

 

[ViviOggi]

Im having a hard time teaching a friend who used to play LoL

Playing LoL as your first LPG does teach some nasty habits. It's pretty basic but maybe this guide can help you a little.

 

[CarbonatedFalcon]

Just 5 hours of Hearthstone between Dota matches, no problem.

Spoiler

And I LIKE Hearthstone. This whole different games on the same stream though is silly.

 

[Acinixys]

I really doubt that.

I found this

Hylian did a test and maelstrom has a bit more damage in chrono, but it is harder to farm.

Which proves nothing. I promise he did though. Used maths and everything. All kinds of DoT calculations

 

[Hazaro]

Im having a hard time teaching a friend who used to play LoL

What parts? You can learn what heroes do in game by clicking on them so it can't be that different.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Some Russians are killing PyrionFlax over and over again upon spawning in base with a Gyro Aghs + AA ult und Nature's Prophet Ult. Oh god lol.

 

[Hazaro]

Hylian seriously has 70 games as ES and a ton of them ranked?
smh
SMH

Spoiler

At that low KDA and WR

 

[Kard8p3]

Hylian seriously has 70 games as ES and a ton of them ranked?
smh
SMH

Spoiler

At that low KDA and WR

Can't believe that.

 

[close to the edge]

Some Russians are killing PyrionFlax over and over again upon spawning in base with a Gyro Aghs + AA ult und Nature's Prophet Ult. Oh god lol.

Hahaha, that's rough. I never saw that, I only watched the end of the game where they were winning.

 

[sephi22]

Legion Commander + Skywrath Mage is one unholy combo Holy Shit
http://dotabuff.com/matches/454175472

 

[Wes]

When is Wraith Night due to end? Or has it already?

 

[Tart Toter 9k]

When is Wraith Night due to end? Or has it already?

Monday.

 

[Pureauthor]

When is Wraith Night due to end? Or has it already?

6th Jan.

 

[ElyrionX]

I must say, I have been enjoying solo ranked a lot. Just had a game where we won after losing mid rax first. Wasn't expecting to win that because their TH blink ravage was killing us and their PA got fat. Our Enchant kept getting caught out of position and LC and Abbadon tended to overextend. But somehow their PA didn't get BKB and their strongest player was Invoker. Once our Abaddon, BS and LC bought BKBs, we were stomping all over them. Always nice to come back and win a game like that. I mean, don't get me wrong, I run into many retards but everybody wants to win and eventually people do listen. I made many mistakes as well such as stupidly feeding first blood and forgetting to Mek at times but I guess, my tier is low enough for me to get away with such stuff.

 

[Wes]

Monday.

6th Jan.

Oh goody, thanks. I think I still have about 200minutes left on my bonus.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Hahaha, that's rough. I never saw that, I only watched the end of the game where they were winning.

It was the Shadow Shaman game where Pyrion got carried by Anti Mage. They did actually win but he died about 3 times in the fountain unable to do anything. It was hilarious.

 

[Jex]

Oh god that new thread title.

 

[Nirvana]

I think MMR must be based on more than just win/loss, because Merlini has a 70% win rate and only has 5449, whereas Dendi has 55% and has 5700 and SingSing has 54% and has 6000.

Just sayin.

 

[brentech]

I think MMR must be based on more than just win/loss, because Merlini has a 70% win rate and only has 5449, whereas Dendi has 55% and has 5700 and SingSing has 54% and has 6000.

Just sayin.

Pretty sure the big dota 2 blog post explaining MMR said you could lose and still gain MMR

 

[DarkKyo]

Oh goody, thanks. I think I still have about 200minutes left on my bonus.

Favor time will be converted to Battle Point Booster time after Wraith Night ends.

 

[Nymerio]

Had my second game with earth spirit today after playing him once previously on release. Getting the initial levels against a mid sniper was somewhat annoying but after that I did pretty well. I didn't feed and even managed to get some nice combos off. It was actually a bit easier than I anticipated, really cool hero.

 

[Divvy]

What happened after you guys hit that glyph ? killed Alch and Jugg who don't have buybacks?

great job btw.

Yea we just barely killed them. My team went to fight them in their base and I BoT there and planned double mass serpent wards and whittled down their towers and throne. Their storm spirit realized what was happening and came to kill the wards. I was down to four or so wards when they took down the throne. So much adrenaline at that moment.

 

[ElyrionX]

Pretty sure the big dota 2 blog post explaining MMR said you could lose and still gain MMR

There has been virtually no evidence of this though. Apparently, it is easier to find sightings of Meepo in pro games than it is to find someone's MMR going up after losing a game.

 

[Sibylus]

Server that Sigma and Next.kz are playing on is literally made of salami.

 

[ElyrionX]

I think MMR must be based on more than just win/loss, because Merlini has a 70% win rate and only has 5449, whereas Dendi has 55% and has 5700 and SingSing has 54% and has 6000.

Just sayin.

Approximately how many games in total have all three recorded?

 

[kvk1]

Donddos.

 

[Schweinehund]

There has been virtually no evidence of this though. Apparently, it is easier to find sightings of Meepo in pro games than it is to find someone's MMR going up after losing a game.

I feel that in my placement matches I went up even though losing, the quality of my team mates went up considerably.

Also are those winrates and mmr's consistent? Is that their winrate for solo/party matched matched to their mmr for solo/party?

 

[M.D]

Can you even lose with Bristleback

 

[SamVimes]

Can you even lose with Bristleback

Sometimes gafstack is just too heavy.

 

[M.D]

Sometimes gafstack is just too heavy.

Who is that noob feeding naga... FUCK

 

[manfestival]

why was mr brag a lot banned?

 

[Razzer]

why was mr brag a lot banned?

Turned out he had been banned already and made a new account.

 

[ElyrionX]

I feel that in my placement matches I went up even though losing, the quality of my team mates went up considerably.

Also are those winrates and mmr's consistent? Is that their winrate for solo/party matched matched to their mmr for solo/party?

Placement matches don't count. My MMR went up after losing one of my placement matches as well.

The relationship between win-rate and MMR is is unclear. I have a near 53% win-rate but my MMR is only 3.1k. I have seen some people on my friends list who have MMR of 3.5k and have win-rates of only about 50%. Though to be fair, my win-rate only really shot up after ranked MM was introduced which meant that my starting MM from the normal pub games before RMM was probably quite low.

A relatively high win rate of 55% only means that you win 55 in 100 games. Assuming that the average MMR added and lost over 100 games is 25 per game, playing 100 games at a 55% win-rate only nets you an overall MMR increase of ~250 (10*25).

Given the highly dynamic nature of the core game, my sense is that a rather large amount of grinding is required before the average player would reach their peak or natural MMR. This actually makes sense given the fact that one of Valve's primary concerns of implementing a public ranking system is that players would get discouraged once they see their MMR plateau out. Drawing out the process of reaching one's own natural MMR would keep players in the game longer and delay the "discouragement" phase.

 

[cuevas. PhD.]

why was mr brag a lot banned?

he too good

also star ladder is turning out to be quite entertaining here at the end

 

[Schweinehund]

Who ready for terrorblade + abyssal "year of the demon" chinese event?

 

[Sibylus]

We'll get our second (third? just remembered VS boobage) tarted up female hero.

Year of the Hoers

 

[SteveWinwood]

Who ready for terrorblade + abyssal "year of the demon" chinese event?

we get wukong too!

why was mr brag a lot banned?

gaf 101

We'll get our second (third? just remembered VS boobage) tarted up female hero.

Year of the Hoers

abyssal lord to be female with massive cleavage

 

[BigAT]

why was mr brag a lot banned?

It was because of something his teammates did.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

We'll get our second (third? just remembered VS boobage) tarted up female hero.

Year of the Hoers

Winter Wyvern is probably female, so we'll be getting at least one new non sexed up female.

 

[cuevas. PhD.]

I wish I would have made this ultimate support ward earlier

 

[Epix]

There has been virtually no evidence of this though. Apparently, it is easier to find sightings of Meepo in pro games than it is to find someone's MMR going up after losing a game.

It happened to me yesterday. Went up about 6 points after a loss. We had someone who had less than 50 games played, total. When the algorithm can't produce a "well balanced" game it will come up with something and compensate through the MMR.

 

[ViviOggi]

It happened to me yesterday. Went up about 6 points after a loss. We had someone who had less than 50 games played, total. When the algorithm can't produce a "well balanced" game it will come up with something and compensate through the MMR.

Do you remember how long you had to wait for that match?