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Punk's like around 5th or so as far as being valuable to the company. I'd rank Sheamus above him, along with Trips, Bork, Cener, Taker, Rock..I guess Punk's even lower.

The metric I am using is a simple "WHO DOES WWE WANT TO KEEP MOST"
 

KissVibes

Banned
WTF is Rozay doing with Zema Ion

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Rick Ross is a huge wrestling fan (ha!) and likes TNA because "they grind just like he does". Not like WWE where they're the biggest platform in the world.

(I'm serious, that's why)
 
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Deleted member 47027

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Rick Ross is a huge wrestling fan (ha!) and likes TNA because "they grind just like he does". Not like WWE where they're the biggest platform in the world.

(I'm serious, that's why)

Well that justifies it. I figured it was just because he was nearby.
 
Punk's like around 5th or so as far as being valuable to the company. I'd rank Sheamus above him, along with Trips, Bork, Cener, Taker, Rock..I guess Punk's even lower.

The metric I am using is a simple "WHO DOES WWE WANT TO KEEP MOST"

You can't count part timers like that.

Sheamus is eh. I'm sure they want him to be a big Cena draw, but they're not positioning him as strongly as they are Punk at the minute.
 
At some point you have to sacrifice the popularity of past stars to make your new stars seem legit. At some point you have to say "fuck it" and ignore the short term gains in favour of building for a bigger, better future.

So, it's utterly mind-boggling that the big blow off for The Rock's return to wrestling is him putting over Cena, the one guy who DOESN'T ACTUALLY NEED IT.

Keyser Soze said:
These posters continue to look like porn

Perhaps it is porn. Only one way to find out, order the iPPV;

http://www.smvod.com/premium-video/aiw-girls-night-out-8-march-1-2013-live-ippv
 
If Taker gave it to Punk, I would change my whole opinion on Taker. Respect would be at an all time high.

I can't wait for the WM crowd to boo Cena out of the building after his win.
 
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If Taker gave it to Punk, I would change my whole opinion on Taker. Respect would be at an all time high.

I can't wait for the WM crowd to boo Cena out of the building after his win.

Taker isn't giving it up. He never will.
 

jobber

Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
You're worried about Punk having nothing to do? What about Big Show? He was champ and had a giant chair!
 
It's not like The Rock needed to beat Hogan when he did either. Come on guys, this isn't new.

Except back then Rock vs Hogan was a side-attraction to the main event. It wasn't the be-all and end-all of the show, and it certainly wasn't for the title. This match does nothing for no one, other than bringing in more casual fans who are going to leave again right after Mania. And then, once Rock fucks off back to making movies, once Cena retires, or is injured for any lengthy amount of time, WWE will only have themselves to blame as they wonder why no one gives a shit about their new 'superstars' who didn't benefit from having anyone of any renown to put them over.
 
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Deleted member 47027

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Except back then Rock vs Hogan was a side-attraction to the main event. It wasn't the be-all and end-all of the show, and it certainly wasn't for the title. This match does nothing for no one, other than bringing in more casual fans who are going to leave again right after Mania. And then, once Rock fucks off back to making movies, once Cena retires, or is injured for any lengthy amount of time, WWE will only have themselves to blame as they wonder why no one gives a shit about their new 'superstars' who didn't benefit from having anyone of any renown to put them over.

Someone's gotta pay for those Lesnar dates though. There's still validity on making the quick buck in order to keep investing in the company. This year we should see a lot more people starting to be built, but right now THERE'S MONEY TO BE MADE
 
As for the Ladder match, I'm predicting it'll be Athena vs Veda Scott vs Annie Social vs Sassy Steph. All the qualifying matches look good and, to my mind, Mary Dobson is the only weak link, so pairing her with another brawler like Annie is a good move. Should be a real fun show :)

Annie must've gotten a whole helluvalot better recently. The last time I saw her she was pretty fucking boring and sloppy.

I'm intrigued by this "mystery opponent."

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Anarchy Championship Wrestling's "An Absence Of Law 2013" show was on Sun. Good show with a few pretty GREAT matches. Colt Cabana and Jimmie Jacobs returned to the Mohawk. Cabana and Pierre Abernathy teamed vs. JoJoBravo and Angel Blue (Booooooooooo!) in a very fun comedy match. I'll post a recap, probably tonight.
 

strobogo

Banned
Annie must've gotten a whole helluvalot better recently. The last time I saw her she was pretty fucking boring and sloppy.

I'm intrigued by this "mystery opponent."

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Anarchy Championship Wrestling's "An Absence Of Law 2013" show was on Sun. Good show with a few pretty GREAT matches. Colt Cabana and Jimmie Jacobs returned to the Mohawk. Cabana and Pierre Abernathy teamed vs. JoJoBravo and Angel Blue (Booooooooooo!) in a very fun comedy match. I'll post a recap, probably tonight.

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Annie must've gotten a whole helluvalot better recently. The last time I saw her she was pretty fucking boring and sloppy.

I'm intrigued by this "mystery opponent."

Annie's not great by any means, but Mary Dobson? Yeesh. She's as good as you'd expect someone trained by Mad Mad Pondo & Mickie Knuckles to be.

Pristine_Condition said:
Anarchy Championship Wrestling's "An Absence Of Law 2013" show was on Sun. Good show with a few pretty GREAT matches. Colt Cabana and Jimmie Jacobs returned to the Mohawk. Cabana and Pierre Abernathy teamed vs. JoJoBravo and Angel Blue (Booooooooooo!) in a very fun comedy match. I'll post a recap, probably tonight.

Nice, looking forward to reading the recap :)
 
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Anarchy Championship Wrestling's "An Absence Of Law 2013" show was on Sun. Good show with a few pretty GREAT matches. Colt Cabana and Jimmie Jacobs returned to the Mohawk. Cabana and Pierre Abernathy teamed vs. JoJoBravo and Angel Blue (Booooooooooo!) in a very fun comedy match. I'll post a recap, probably tonight.

Awesome. Looking forward to hearing about it.

in case you're wondering, Sin's main event "mystery opponent" was
Road Warrior Animal

That's not bad. Good choice.
 
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Deleted member 47027

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We're all looking forward to the same thing, yes that's right! Sunflower's pinball review. I know I can't wait.

Just heard the news about you. Kinda blown away, kinda betrayed (not serious betrayed) but it shows you that I have an eye for talent!
 
Being Taker's final opponent should be good enough for anyone and a heel would be able to use it as a feat itself: "I may have taken the pin, but I left the Undertaker so broken he will never fight again. I ended the streak."
 

Pavaloo

Member
Except back then Rock vs Hogan was a side-attraction to the main event. It wasn't the be-all and end-all of the show, and it certainly wasn't for the title. This match does nothing for no one, other than bringing in more casual fans who are going to leave again right after Mania. And then, once Rock fucks off back to making movies, once Cena retires, or is injured for any lengthy amount of time, WWE will only have themselves to blame as they wonder why no one gives a shit about their new 'superstars' who didn't benefit from having anyone of any renown to put them over.

From that WrestleMania you then learn to make that kind of match the main event because of how much it eclipsed everything that came after it. Crowd got tired. It's just good business. WWE will be fine falling back on Sheamus, Ryback, Punk, Bryan, Cesaro, Ziggler, etc. I'm not worried at all. The Rock came back and gave Punk the best feud of his title reign.
 

strobogo

Banned
From that WrestleMania you then learn to make that kind of match the main event because of how much it eclipsed everything that came after it. Crowd got tired. It's just good business. WWE will be fine falling back on Sheamus, Ryback, Punk, Bryan, Cesaro, Ziggler, etc. I'm not worried at all. The Rock came back and gave Punk the best feud of his title reign.

Yeah, crowd was totally worn out for HHH vs Jericho. But to be fair, that feud had a TERRIBLE build and wouldn't have been as hot as Hogan/Rock no matter where it was on the card. Rock/Hogan was also made like 3 weeks before WM.
 
WWE will be fine falling back on Sheamus, Ryback, Punk, Bryan, Cesaro, Ziggler, etc. I'm not worried at all.

They'd be far better off if they would actually use any of the part-timers like Rock, Bork & Taker to put over any of those talents you mention above. But they won't. Bork puts over HHH, Rock puts over Cena, Taker puts over no one. Nothing is achieved in the long term.
 

Pavaloo

Member
The Rock made CM Punk look incredible. Didn't matter that he lost to him. Of all the people in the world to stop Punk's historic title reign, the only person that could stop him was arguably the biggest name in sports entertainment history. Punk was put over by feuding with The Rock simply enough.
 
The Rock made CM Punk look incredible. Didn't matter that he lost to him. Of all the people in the world to stop Punk's historic title reign, the only person that could stop him was arguably the biggest name in sports entertainment history. Punk was put over by feuding with The Rock simply enough.

I think the Royal Rumble match was booked kinda poorly, but their Elimination Chamber match made Punk look like a star. Had no problem with it whatsoever.
 
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I know it's kinda crazy, I owe it to you and Locke.
Seriously, congratulations! It's so good to see you moving forward as I believe in your work.

Did you want to announce it to your pals here in Wrasslegaf?
 
The Rock made CM Punk look incredible. Didn't matter that he lost to him. Of all the people in the world to stop Punk's historic title reign, the only person that could stop him was arguably the biggest name in sports entertainment history. Punk was put over by feuding with The Rock simply enough.

I won't disagree with you there, Rock gave a hell of a lot to make Punk look great in those matches. But, like you said, of all the people to stop Punk's reign, it was Rocky. It wasn't Ziggler, or Cesaro, or Bryan, or Sheamus, or Ryback, or anyone who could have actually benefited from the rub of ending such a huge championship reign - it was the Rock. And what's so much worse is that the only reason Rock beat Punk was to set up Cena getting his win back and getting his belt back without having him actually beat Punk for the title...only for Cena to then beat Punk clean on RAW, lol. I guess Punk'll run with the "you can't beat me when the gold is on the line" angle after Mania, but still...this is some shity-ass booking that does little for anyone except Cena.
 

Pavaloo

Member
I think we can agree to disagree. While Rock beating Punk takes a rub away from Ziggler or Ryback or whomever, I don't mind that because the rub is entirely meant for Punk, and I believe he got/deserved it. Last night Cena beat Punk and I had absolutely NO problem with it. It was a great match and the win was believable. Punk and Cena have been put on the same level and I think last night's match was evidence. You knew Cena was going to win, but I admit there was moments where I second guessed what might happen. The two really have a great Batman, Superman dynamic.
 

TheNatural

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Reading about Vince blowing a gasket over Punk using a piledriver is great. I like how it was a normal move in wrestling matches for years, with only a handful of serious injuries, but they use it one time and he goes off.
 

McNei1y

Member
amazing isn't it? the #2 guy in the company and has nothing to do.

I gave WWE a chance after Royal Rumble but I can't do it anymore. CM Chunk had this great buildup of 434 days just to Youtube preshow, Sandow jobs to Sheamus every week, Ziggler..they're purposely trying to end his career.

Punk will be one of the last three matches with Undertaker. Ziggler's thing is to lose on Raw every week. It'll most likely change when he cashes in at Mania, though. Sandow and Cody are stuck in a different world right now so they will continue to job for a period of time.
 
DDP has taken Johnny Swinger under his wing!

The Great American Bash 2001
18,007 @ Pepsi Center.

Pre-Show: The Mamalukes v Air Raid
In a bout that had solid in-ring action but non-existent crowd heat, Air Raid defeated The Mamalukes in 9:39 when Air Paris defeated Big Vito by pinfall with a Diving Leg Drop. (D-)

Pre-Show: Kwee Wee v Mike Awesome
In an extremely short match, Mike Awesome defeated Kwee Wee in 2:59 by pinfall with an Awesome Bomb. (D-)

Pre-Show: Road Warrior Animal v Dustin Rhodes
In a match that had some good action and average heat, Dustin Rhodes defeated Road Warrior Animal in 15:17 by pinfall with a Bulldog. (C)

Pre-Show: Hugh Morrus v Kanyon
In a match that had some good action and average heat, Kanyon defeated Hugh Morrus in 10:29 by pinfall. (D+)

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Match: Chavo Guerrero Jr. v Johnny Swinger
In a bout that had solid in-ring action but non-existent crowd heat, Johnny Swinger defeated Chavo Guerrero Jr. in 7:56 by pinfall with a Swing Thing. (D)


- A video recap shows the highlights of Shannon Moore, Kaz Hayashi, Jamie Noble and Gregory Helms. It's an advert for the Cruiserweight Division 'WCW - Gravity is denied'. (E+)

WCW Crusierweight Title Match: Shannon Moore v Kaz Hayashi v Jamie Noble v Gregory Helms (c)
In a bout that had solid in-ring action but not much in the way of heat, Shannon Moore drew with Kaz Hayashi, Jamie Knoble and Gregory Helms in 12:00 when the referee was forced to rule a no contest when all hell broke loose. (D+)

- Eric Bischoff appears on the rampway, applauded the 4 Cruiserweights. He goes on to talk about how in the past he never really gave the division it's due. However, all that is changing, he's a changed man. He promises. He promises that WCW will be more about amazing in-ring action, and less about egos.
The crowd start to buzz. The camera focuses in on a figure watching on from above... It's STING! He's watching Bischoff. (C+)

WCW Tag Title Match: Kronik v Natural Born Thrillers (C)
In a match that had some good action and average heat, Natural Born Thrillers defeated KroniK in 15:02 when Sean O'Haire defeated Bryan Clark by pinfall with a Double Superkick. Natural Born Thrillers make defence number 1 of their WCW World Tag Team titles. (C-)

- Gene Okerlund is in the ring. Booker T's music plays and joins him. Booker starts to explain where he was on last Saturday's WCW Saturday Night. He was ready to accept Scott Steiner's challenge, when he was attacked from behind by Rick Steiner! (c-)

- Scott and Rick Steiner appear on the rampway and start a verbal argument with Booker T. Booker T agrees to fight them tonight in a tag match. (C)

- A video package plays showing the highlights from the last 2 weeks in the 'Fight for the Gold' matches. (D)

- Gene Okerlund interviews Billy Kidman, who is due to face Lance Storm for the US Title. Billy Kidman says that he has to win, as he can't stomach another Lance Storm 'Canadian Title' reign. (D)

- US Title Match: Billy Kidman v Lance Storm
In a match that had some good action but not much in the way of heat, Billy Kidman defeated Lance Storm in 14:33 by pinfall with a Shooting Star Press. Billy Kidman wins the WCW United States Heavyweight title. (C-)

- Billy Kidman celebrates, when a flash video package plays of a familiar colourful mask... when it finishes Billy Kidman remains in the ring looking around. He slowly nods, as if understanding what's happening, before leaving (D)

- A highlight package replays the last 2 weeks. It shows Booker T's promise to be a fighting champion, Scott Steiner calling out Booker, before destroying Hacksaw Jim Duggan. Lex Luger coming out to save Duggan and finally the events from earlier in the PPV. (C+)

- Main Event - Tag Match: The Steiner Brothers v Lex Luger & Booker T
In a match that had some good action and average heat, Lex Luger and Booker T defeated The Steiner Brothers in 20:08 when Booker T defeated Rick Steiner by pinfall with a Missile Dropkick. (B-)

- Scott Steiner grabs Lex Luger and locks in the Steiner Recliner, as Rick Steiner grapples Booker T out of the ring (C+)
- Scott Steiner continues his beatdown on Luger, as Rick Steiner rejoins him. They both leave the ring as Booker T manages to get back to his feet to try and save Luger. (C-)


End Show (C+)

Buyrate: 1.23

Popularity increased in 13 regions. Lost in 3 others.
Main Event was ruined by... a lack of selling! Not really surprising considering Lex Luger, Rick Steiner and Scott Steiner were involved! Had a little laugh to myself at how quickly the 'ratings' dropped when Luger was involved! Think it's time to take GAF advice on board and look to use him to get a younger star over. Quickly.
A whole bunch of people on the roster have minor morale issues at not being involved on the PPV.
With the short 2 hour TV time and PPV (I totally forgot about... how WCW of me) out the way, the long term storyline can begin. Seeds were planted in the PPV.

Can Eric Bischoff be trusted?
Who was Sting watching? And Why?
A new era for WCW is on the cards. Is the world ready for a more 'modern' style of wrestling?
The Mystery King is ready for his return. Is Kidman ready for Mysterio?
 

Omega

Banned
Punk will be one of the last three matches with Undertaker. Ziggler's thing is to lose on Raw every week. It'll most likely change when he cashes in at Mania, though. Sandow and Cody are stuck in a different world right now so they will continue to job for a period of time.
Ziggler hasn't won since TLC unless you count Kofi. If he cashes in it really doesn't matter and will probably end like Kane and lose it on Raw the day after. even if he doesn't, he still 0-50 in 2013 and makes the WHC look even weaker than it already is.

and he still has the zig zag as a finisher.
 

McNei1y

Member
Ziggler hasn't won since TLC unless you count Kofi. If he cashes in it really doesn't matter and will probably end like Kane and lose it on Raw the day after. even if he doesn't, he still 0-50 in 2013 and makes the WHC look even weaker than it already is.

and he still has the zig zag as a finisher.

Ziggler lost a shit ton in 2012 before TLC. Giving him the belt will at least give him some legitimacy. They like the guy too. There's no reason to stick AJ with him and have him constantly face their big names and to last the longest, being the 4th to last person in the rumble. If they really hated him, he'd have formed a tag team with Zack Ryder and would job to the dancing hippos every week. He'll probably be stuck in a feud with ADR and Swagger for a few months though.
 
crazy thing is, you could argue that the piledriver works so well in the indies because they're usually more flexible and agile, but huge roid freaks in the 80s were taking them and barely anyone got injured. same with any move that spikes your opponents head (brainbuster, etc).
 
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