Final Fantasy 16 - one of the most boring and uninspired games I have ever played

CompleteGlobalSaturation said:
Easily the worst RPG title I have played. A classic example of why 'more' is not better. This game feels 30 hours too long.

I'm currently on the level 'Onward'. How many hours of shit do I have to endure before I complete this game?
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U are roughly at 2/3rds if we only count in main story , if u count in all the sidequests(that actually help a lot) then u are around 50% in or so... 15 more main story quests left.
 
CliffBronger said:
This is in my backlog.

I didn't think much to 15 is it better or worse than that ?
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Much worse from ff15 except 1 aspect- epic boss battles, those are splendid in ff16, everything else aka characters, story, dialogues, its corridor-ness and overall gameplay/normal battles/equipment/party is big downgrade vs previous entry, unfortunately...
 
BennyBlanco said:
FF cycle is real

FF gets announced with cool trailer —> fans say this will be a return to form, finally a good one —> it's announced there will not be turn based combat —-> media praises game —-> game comes out —-> people say it's good —-> honeymoon phase ends —-> the game stinks —-> restart the cycle
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They all have their flaws for sure, but I always managed to enjoy them for what they are and found something that kept me going. Maybe it was because I wanted to see how the story would play out, maybe there were lots of secrets to find, maybe it was fun growing my party into some god tier OP bad asses, maybe I just enjoyed the world and the vibe, etc.

XVI is the first mainline FF where there just wasn't enough to it to keep me playing to the end. The story was decent and the boss battles are some of the most impressive stuff I've seen in a video game, but all the stuff in between was so bland I couldn't take it.
 
It's a "character action game", which is probably company slang for absolute shit.

Also "the game is good! Just use all these game changing mods!"

I can safely say that this game is Ultra, mega ass.
 
BennyBlanco said:
FF cycle is real

FF gets announced with cool trailer —> fans say this will be a return to form, finally a good one —> it's announced there will not be turn based combat —-> media praises game —-> game comes out —-> people say it's good —-> honeymoon phase ends —-> the game stinks —-> restart the cycle
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I'm glad we've finally reached the point where people are more critical, because it was maddening watching people glaze this game when it was obvious from the first 5 minutes that the person writing it had no understanding of even basic literary concepts like 'suspense' or 'structure'. I mean the game starts with an in media res flashback, cuts to an in media res present, then cuts to another flashback. It's something someone would write intentionally to win the Bulwer Lytton Bad Fiction contest.
CliffBronger said:
This is in my backlog.

I didn't think much to 15 is it better or worse than that ?
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It's mixed depending on what you can overlook. FFXV is flawed because it was rushed to completion in a year and the team had to prioritise what they could actually accomplish. So all of the things that were prioritised like the character interactions are really well done, while things that weren't prioritised like the open world (like the fact that it disappears in the last third of the game) are half baked. It also has a really good combat system that isn't explained in the slightest so for it to be enjoyable you have to watch youtube guides. If you can overlook stuff like that it's a very enjoyable game. With FFXVI, it's an extremely finished game, developed over 7 years. Everything in it is the final vision of the developers. But those things go from very good (spectacle, visuals) to pretty good (combat) to extremely bad (story, characters, quest design).
Personally I find it harder to overlook how bad the writing in XVI than any of XV's flaws and it's easier to forgive XV because of what I know of its troubled development.
 
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Sorry but the game always looked like shit .. and after the steaming pile of dogshit that FF15 was ... Im surprised anyone still believes in EE FFs .. the super fans stayed and they will eat up anything and thats it.
 
idk what to say to you... buy have you ever played other games?
This game looks amazing, music is incredible and it's non stop action. The pacing is great and only dips in the middle of the game. Loved it
 
You're late to the party OP, we all bought it after playing the demo then immediately felt duped
 
The sidequests where really bad on that i do agree. But the rest of the package (main story/gameplay/graphics/sound etc) where all top notch. One of my top FF games of all time. I really went deep into the lore of the game and the last thing i thought was that it was boring or uninspired. Love this game so much
 
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rofif said:
idk what to say to you... buy have you ever played other games?
This game looks amazing, music is incredible and it's non stop action. The pacing is great and only dips in the middle of the game. Loved it
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You must have played a completely different game. Non stop action? More like non stop fetch quests. The combat is also as deep as a puddle.
 
CompleteGlobalSaturation said:
You must have played a completely different game. Non stop action? More like non stop fetch quests. The combat is also as deep as a puddle.
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non stop fetch quests? Only if you decide to do all the side crap I guess.
The main story was very entertaining for me.
And I enjoyed the ambient and everything. I don't need action all the time. I don't have adhd... games need slow time and action time.
 
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Gordon Fearman said:
I'm glad we've finally reached the point where people are more critical, because it was maddening watching people glaze this game when it was obvious from the first 5 minutes that the person writing it had no understanding of even basic literary concepts like 'suspense' or 'structure'. I mean the game starts with an in media res flashback, cuts to an in media res present, then cuts to another flashback. It's something someone would write intentionally to win the Bulwer Lytton Bad Fiction contest.

It's mixed depending on what you can overlook. FFXV is flawed because it was rushed to completion in a year and the team had to prioritise what they could actually accomplish. So all of the things that were prioritised like the character interactions are really well done, while things that weren't prioritised like the open world (like the fact that it disappears in the last third of the game) are half baked. It also has a really good combat system that isn't explained in the slightest so for it to be enjoyable you have to watch youtube guides. If you can overlook stuff like that it's a very enjoyable game. With FFXVI, it's an extremely finished game, developed over 7 years. Everything in it is the final vision of the developers. But those things go from very good (spectacle, visuals) to pretty good (combat) to extremely bad (story, characters, quest design).
Personally I find it harder to overlook how bad the writing in XVI than any of XV's flaws and it's easier to forgive XV because of what I know of its troubled development.
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Yes this is exactly where I am at. I don't like FFXV, but its easy to see Versus XIII scraps were put together by a band aid to release a complete game out of it and a numbered FF at that.

XVI has been made deliberately as it is, as it had no troubled development. And it just fails to outdo FFXV in many areas which is a last gen effort even. FFXV at least had a seamless overworld, until the final chapters anyway. It had a degree of party combat with some tag combos etc, and it had elemental attacks, different weapon types and priorities etc.

XVI was developed as an action RPG that lasts over 40 hours but you learn the complete moveset within the hour. It has one lousy magic attack that looks the same accross al elements, and does the same damage to any opponent. There are different elements, like Wind and Fire, but this does nothing. The fetch quests with useless rewards were designed like this, the disconnected one time dungeons with zero exploration were meant to be like this as well. As was the non existent equipment system, and the complete lack of other weapon types. The story, that starts off good in the prologue, rapidly takes a nosedive. FFXVI is the ultimate catfish game.

Its just that I suspect FFXVI was designed as an action game, but then needed to have numbered FF kind of scope and thus a lot of busywork and useless loot was added. If they made it linear and cinematic, cut the game time by 50% FFXVI might've been a far better game. It would've had better pacing, and the combat would be less boring because the game itself would be shorter. To me the gameplay isn't suited for such a big game. The game is at its best when its funneling you through cinematic fights.
 
rofif said:
non stop fetch quests? Only if you decide to do all the side crap I guess.
The main story was very entertaining for me.
And I enjoyed the ambient and everything. I don't need action all the time. I don't have adhd... games need slow time and action time.
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I have skipped all side content. Only doing story missions.

It's an incredibly badly paced game with tons of filler. Cool boss battles but they are far and few between.

I prefer my games to move quickly.
 
One of the best games I have played in my life. If you don't like action combat, then you won't enjoy it. It was the first time in an action RPG where the combat mechanics were as responsive as a character action game. It's a bit too long yes but I hate when people act like that somehow negates everything was in the game.

The music, art direction, story, boss battles all some of the best I have ever experienced -- I will never forget this game!
 
mayham2199 said:
15 is horrible. Anyone saying it's worse than 15 can't be trusted.
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15 is amazing. It's worse than 16. Obviously 16 comes together as WAY more polished package.
But 15 is so... lovely, unique, the music is incredible, art style is incredible. It is more than sum of it's parts for sure.
in the end.. I will replay 15 for sure. And 15 music is in my car. Even though I would score 16 higher?
 
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this isnt even the real ff16 ,ignis philosophy techdemo was ff16 until square changed it into forsppken,we know how that came about
 
I didn't like it. Stripped away all the things I love about JRPGs. It's more action than RPG and for an action game it's wholly mediocre. Great visuals though.
 
Even though people are shitting on the game thinking the auto pilot single button scripted boss battles between giant monsters are good... Bro... No... Just no.

You gotta be a Netflix goon to think something like that is engaging. Soken plagiarised so many Industrial Metal bands honestly shocked we weren't fighting fucking Ultima to Loco from Coal Chamber.
 
I just hate how this game looks. Somehow they managed to design and create the most generic and bland looking "high fantasy" game of recent years. Absolutely lifeless and soulless.
 
Lokaum D+ said:
its has some pacing problems and horrible side quests ( they get way way better close to the end ) ? YES

but game plays great, combat is fun, bosses are amazing, graphics are great and a amazing cast, the only thing this game is missing is final fantasy difficult from the start, first playthrough is too easy.

if you are playing it on PC there is some mods that ll help the experience

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You had me excited for a minute but this mod list is more combat-focused.

I'm waiting for the FF16 abridged mod, with the second half of the game's filler mostly cut for a shorter and more refined narrative experience.

Even if this means something as small as an 'autocomplete' quest button, it would greatly improve things.
 
CompleteGlobalSaturation said:
Purchased this game after enjoying the demo. Clearly I've been duped. This game is a cutscene fest full of filler dialogue, a very slow plot, pointless fetch quests and extremely mundane gameplay.

I cannot stand the bullet sponge enemies either.

The only saving grace are the cool boss battles, but they seem to occur once in a blue moon i.e. after 2-3 hours of 'shit' gameplay. 90% of the missions in this game drag unnecessarily.

Who designed this game should never ever make games again.

Easily the worst RPG title I have played. A classic example of why 'more' is not better. This game feels 30 hours too long.

I'm currently on the level 'Onward'. How many hours of shit do I have to endure before I complete this game?
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nope nope this is a troll post the hate for this game i get it but at the same i do not get it
 
Deft Beck said:
I don't know why people shit on this game. I really enjoyed it overall. Just don't go in expecting a traditional FF game.
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The combat criticisms are subjective but most people agree that the game's pacing is too bloated and MMO-like. If a modder ever cuts or edits that part, then they have literally fixed the main campaign.

And you can tell exactly where the game suddenly slows to a crawl, which is right after a specific story boss around 1/3 into the game, of whom's fight narratively and cinematically ends on a really big high.
 
I was a major FF fanboy starting with FFVI. I had a good ride all the way up through FFX. I died many years ago on the hill that naming FF Online "FFXI" was bullshit, same for FFXIV. FFX-2 was kinda fun to play, but easy to shrug off and forget. I loved everything about FFXII except for the characters and story, which were just undeniably subpar for FF. Then FFXIII just completely killed my boner. I thought it was going to be the next edition to the VI, VII, VIII, X line of FF genealogy. It fell WAY short of that. I was never hyped for FFXV, even when it was FFvsXIII. But I assumed it'd probably be a pretty good game when it finally came out. And it was. I wasn't hyped for it, but I had a good time playing it. multiple times.

I assumed that would be the case with FFXVI too. I was never hyped for it, I was never interested in it, it wasn't suited to my FF tastes... but I assumed once I sat down and started playing it, I'd enjoy it. NO. I did my best and stuck with it for about 10 hours, and then I thought "Fuck this game for wasting this much of my time" and deleted it. I have no idea how any remotely self respecting FF fan can give the slightest fuck about that game.
 
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March Climber said:
The combat criticisms are subjective but most people agree that the game's pacing is too bloated and MMO-like. If a modder ever cuts or edits that part, then they have literally fixed the main campaign.

And you can tell exactly where the game suddenly slows to a crawl, which is right after a specific story boss around 1/3 into the game, of whom's fight narratively and cinematically ends on a really big high.
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I knew something felt off when
right before the big fight with Ultima you get a bunch of random sidequests to tie up loose ends with subplots
but overall I thought that the sidequests developed the world well and wove into the overall themes of the story.
 
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It was terrible. It started promising but ended on a whimper. Didn't like the ending at all. The gameplay was a total slog. I played it after rebirth and man what a downgrade...
 
Even the boss fights aren't that special if you've played any decent action game like GoW or Bayonetta.

The fact Clive gets to ge in Tekken pisses me off too. Weak game, weak characters. But I guess he is "current".
 
All valid points.
I managed to get attached to the characters and the story so forced myself through it, and the DLC lol which was actually quite good.
But yeah, too many cutscenes, terrible RPG elements, bullet spongy enemies, and very much overstays its welcome.
Having said that I have no regrets.
 
Lambogenie said:
Even the boss fights aren't that special if you've played any decent action game like GoW or Bayonetta.

The fact Clive gets to ge in Tekken pisses me off too. Weak game, weak characters. But I guess he is "current".
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The boss fights are mostly stylish - but I don't mind. Reminds me of the epic fights in God of War 3.
 
I loved it even though I didn't think I would because of its setting.

Need to play the expansion.
 
CliffBronger said:
I didn't think much to 15 is it better or worse than that ?
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I dislike both XV and XVI but at least I felt compellled to finish XV

I'll probably never finish XVI

decisions said:
One of the best games I have played in my life. If you don't like action combat, then you won't enjoy it.
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I love action combat. I hate XVI. It's braindead easy, shockingly repetitive, utterly lacking in strategy outside of bosses and the RPG aspects of the game are completely redundant.
 
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