Nah, that's about what you should expect from the Arrow creative team. It's probably not gonna be fixed after the pilot. Horrible (horrible) dialogue, terrible acting, and clunky as hell storyline/character development is the norm in Arrow.
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First Look at THE FLASH [Extended trailer in OP]
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Nah, that's about what you should expect from the Arrow creative team. It's probably not gonna be fixed after the pilot. Horrible (horrible) dialogue, terrible acting, and clunky as hell storyline/character development is the norm in Arrow.
So out of curiosity, I let my 12-year old little sister watch the episode and wanted to get her response.
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She loved it. I guess the relationship drama was the initial pull to get her into the show but she got really into the mythology surrounding the show. She even started theorizing with no input from me and I was surprised at how close she seemed to get considering she is not at all into comics. To borrow some of her incredible vocabulary, she believes the blonde guy (Thawne) is the man who killed Barry's mom because he "used to know Barry's mom and wanted to get something from her, but she didn't wanna give it so he attacked her." He then traveled through time to the present to get closer to Barry through "that one girl" but lost his powers and that "the brown hair guy" (the professor) is working with him to get his powers back and that he is from the future and kidnapped Barry. Now that I type it out, it's not too much of a great prediction, but I guess I'm just surprised she picked out Thawne specifically over the professor to be the main baddie, and so confidently too.
This was my big OMG moment from watching the episode. I enjoyed it overall but this just sent my mind racing.
We saw that reference several times already on Arrow.
He was great, they picked him to be a wise mentor figure and he delivered.
They have enough on their plate just managing film division.
As of now, universes are completely separate, but Arrow has kept away from anything that is connected to Metropolis or Gotham. Nothing was ever mentioned about them, or any other big hero. There was only 5sec fun cameo of Harley. If they ever wanted to merge universes, they could do it [by simply showcasing that worldwide Zod message on TV as a starting point of universe merger].
Of course, DC most likely have plans for their own version of the Flash. If they are especially vicious, they could forbid CW to ever mention big heroes, villians and famous cities. :-/
They have enough on their plate just managing film division.
As of now, universes are completely separate, but Arrow has kept away from anything that is connected to Metropolis or Gotham. Nothing was ever mentioned about them, or any other big hero. There was only 5sec fun cameo of Harley. If they ever wanted to merge universes, they could do it [by simply showcasing that worldwide Zod message on TV as a starting point of universe merger].
Of course, DC most likely have plans for their own version of the Flash. If they are especially vicious, they could forbid CW to ever mention big heroes, villians and famous cities. :-/
But the timelines are already mixed up considering MoS AND the Arrowverse take place at the same time, and for them to not even mention what happened in MoS and refer to Barry as part of the first metahumans seems like a big plot hole.
Wiktor
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Yeah. That's why I hope they keep them separate. If Batman isn't directly shown as a part of this universe then Arrow can steal so much from itThey have enough on their plate just managing film division.
As of now, universes are completely separate, but Arrow has kept away from anything that is connected to Metropolis or Gotham. Nothing was ever mentioned about them, or any other big hero. There was only 5sec fun cameo of Harley. If they ever wanted to merge universes, they could do it [by simply showcasing that worldwide Zod message on TV as a starting point of universe merger].
Of course, DC most likely have plans for their own version of the Flash. If they are especially vicious, they could forbid CW to ever mention big heroes, villians and famous cities. :-/
Nothing from MoS has happened in Arrowverse. You are imagining timeline connections. Showrunners were always clear that for now Arrowverse is separate from anything else that DC has, and also, they never hinted anything in the show that could prove otherwise. They had talks with DC bosses where they talked about future connections, but chances of timelines joining together are very small [IMO they probably just received orders to stay the fuck away from certain DC properties].
This show will likely help Arrow. The Flash is a lighter, more accessible character - I too believe they are going to knock this out of the park.
They must be watching the reaction to the pilot and are likely quite pleased with the positive buzz.
Such a shame these awesome shows found their home on small CW.
Aparently the Flash pilot has aThey have enough on their plate just managing film division.
As of now, universes are completely separate, but Arrow has kept away from anything that is connected to Metropolis or Gotham. Nothing was ever mentioned about them, or any other big hero. There was only 5sec fun cameo of Harley. If they ever wanted to merge universes, they could do it [by simply showcasing that worldwide Zod message on TV as a starting point of universe merger].
Of course, DC most likely have plans for their own version of the Flash. If they are especially vicious, they could forbid CW to ever mention big heroes, villians and famous cities. :-/
news article talking about Wayne Enterprises merging with Queen Consolidated? :O
Razgriz-Specter
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Yup, and that is the first direct Batman connection. They hadn't even been able to mention Gotham before.
PHOENIXZERO
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Yeah, there's definitely bits and pieces I'd like them to reshoot but still a good pilot, better than Arrow's. Only like three and a half months to go.
I don't know, it's probably a good thing for it to be a "big fish" in a pond like CW than be just another fish in the ocean of the "big 4", would be nice if they got more viewers though, the CW is available in enough homes that it could be seen by more people if they actually wanted to watch it on the CW. They'd probably have to numbers get three or four times higher than what it does now on the bigger networks to really have a chance to survive though the higher budget would be nice. On the other hand it being on a network that's half owned by WB helps protect it kind of like AoS being on ABC. If AoS was on NBC, Fox or CBS with the ratings it got after the premiere it probably wouldn't have made it to season two.
I don't know, it's probably a good thing for it to be a "big fish" in a pond like CW than be just another fish in the ocean of the "big 4", would be nice if they got more viewers though, the CW is available in enough homes that it could be seen by more people if they actually wanted to watch it on the CW. They'd probably have to numbers get three or four times higher than what it does now on the bigger networks to really have a chance to survive though the higher budget would be nice. On the other hand it being on a network that's half owned by WB helps protect it kind of like AoS being on ABC. If AoS was on NBC, Fox or CBS with the ratings it got after the premiere it probably wouldn't have made it to season two.
Sorry! Amended.
Yeah, I suppose though
it's just a minor thing on Flash it'll have huge implications in Arrow.
Just_myles
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Well as I recall, wasn't there a time where Zoom actually wore Barry's costume and set him up for crimes he did not commit, resulting in Barry actually killing Thawne? This is consistent with what we are seeing in this episode with the 'YELLOW' reverse flash hauling young Barry to safety rather than the red. Or was it Thawne merely protecting Barry because if Barry doesn't exist, neither does he. There are so many different stories that can be told from this, I am interested to see where they take it.
I like to think it was powered up red Barry protecting Young Barry by not letting him see his mom get killed.
In your hypothetical scenario, waiting four season would be way too long.Barry and Iris will get killed after season 3. Later, Wally West and Linda Park replaces them for the remaining series, where dozens of gaffers drop the show in rage
Give me Wally "Best Flash" West now!
Razgriz-Specter
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Really sorry,
hit post on that response then had to go do something before I noticed the quote didn't have a tag.
I doubt the implications will be big.
It is 2024. They'd have to start that around season 10 at the earliest, and it would only matter if Flash doesn't change the future.
PHOENIXZERO
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Don't remember if it was said here already but I too think that the ending scene with
his "newspaper" will be like what was done in Back to the Future with newspapers,the "you're fired" fax, pictures and so on. It'll be what Wells uses to know if that future still happens.
It was alright I thought. A number of cheesy bits and I already don't care at all about the relationship stuff. Still, a pretty good start and I'll definitely keep up with it once it starts airing.
Some of the pacing seemed weird at points to me though.
Some of the pacing seemed weird at points to me though.
I feel like it would have been nice to see him telling them at STAR about it rather than jumping right to testing, but that's me.
The Grodd reference was great and I'm very curious to know how they plan on doing that if they do as the effects for that could be very bad potentially unless they frame it during night.
Not sure about having this event potentially being the source of every supervillain and it seems weird if there are no other metahumans besides Barry who actually use their powers for for something other than personal gain. Then again, I suppose that could be expected.
I'm curious though if this will mean every villain we get will have powers with none having tech. I know they did something like this for the New 52, but I sort of liked having the variance between people with powers and those with advanced tech. Like perhaps have Captain Cold be a former STAR Labs employee.
I'm leaning towards agreement on both Barry and Zoom being present that night, but we'll see.
For some reason, I'd be surprised if Thawne is Zoom, though it could always be that he becomes Zoom later on. Very curious if they're keeping to him being for the future if he is him. There'd be something screwed up if he came to the past to dick around with Barry's life and steal his love interest, though also perfectly in character.
Now Wells I have no idea about. That look at the end seems satisfied to me so maybe evil? That would seem to indicate he came back in time for the sole purpose of creating that generator to fail and then create the Flash and other metahumans.
Also is Mardon dead? Or will his brother be revealed to have survived too and succeed him or something? I thought it was interesting we never saw him.
Not sure about having this event potentially being the source of every supervillain and it seems weird if there are no other metahumans besides Barry who actually use their powers for for something other than personal gain. Then again, I suppose that could be expected.
I'm curious though if this will mean every villain we get will have powers with none having tech. I know they did something like this for the New 52, but I sort of liked having the variance between people with powers and those with advanced tech. Like perhaps have Captain Cold be a former STAR Labs employee.
I'm leaning towards agreement on both Barry and Zoom being present that night, but we'll see.
For some reason, I'd be surprised if Thawne is Zoom, though it could always be that he becomes Zoom later on. Very curious if they're keeping to him being for the future if he is him. There'd be something screwed up if he came to the past to dick around with Barry's life and steal his love interest, though also perfectly in character.
Now Wells I have no idea about. That look at the end seems satisfied to me so maybe evil? That would seem to indicate he came back in time for the sole purpose of creating that generator to fail and then create the Flash and other metahumans.
Also is Mardon dead? Or will his brother be revealed to have survived too and succeed him or something? I thought it was interesting we never saw him.
TheGreatDirector
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I liked the fact that they mentioned Clyde had a brother that wasn't shown. They're probably saving him to be used as another Weather Wizard for the Rogues.
Yeah, that's what I'm starting to think as well, especially since Mark was always the Weather Wizard in the comics, though that doesn't need to mean anything I guess.
BurnOutBrighter
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Damn, Barry goes to see
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Oliver but doesn't take the time to romance Felicity? He's the one man on the planet who could make a long distance relationship work.
The reason they're even around is because of the CW.
I understand that. Never did I say there were timeline connections, but in fact the opposite: that the timelines were already well past the point of no return in terms of clashing plot holes. The reason I entertain the idea at all was because of certain articles giving the impression that it was still an open door, when it almost clearly isn't.
It has the usuals CWisms like weak female characters, exposition, and a dude kissing the main girl in the distance while the protagonist watches, which got a standing ovation from me, but in general it was a good enough but it could easily go Smallvile. It will probably suck since time travel ruins everything. The cop seems hardly like a father figure, what a dick.
Wiktor
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Arrow has a lot of strong female characters though.
Spiritreaver
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Hah, this gave me a good laugh.
sketchsanchez
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The Professor should be
Abra Cadabra
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I actually like the idea of keeping the film and television universes largely separate. Some nods here and there are nice, but I'd rather one not get bogged down by the other.
But I'll let these guys do what they do. I avoided Arrow for the longest time because I thought it might be connected to Smallville, which I had zero interest in revisiting. Glad I listened to GAF when everyone was saying that it was actually a fun fast paced action show. Flash seems to be of the same pedigree. They probably would have been better served with a two hour premiere. But they fit tons into the pilot and it works for the most part. You can tell that the showrunners just want to hit the ground running.
I might be alone on this one, but I actually like the supporting cast already. It's nice that Team Flash is basically already set up. Arrow became a much stronger show once the supporting characters were in on Oliver's plans. There are really only two scenes I really didn't like. The mugging at Star Labs and some of the really on the nose remarks during Barry's childhood scenes.
But I'll let these guys do what they do. I avoided Arrow for the longest time because I thought it might be connected to Smallville, which I had zero interest in revisiting. Glad I listened to GAF when everyone was saying that it was actually a fun fast paced action show. Flash seems to be of the same pedigree. They probably would have been better served with a two hour premiere. But they fit tons into the pilot and it works for the most part. You can tell that the showrunners just want to hit the ground running.
Wiktor
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The only romance Barry is interested in
, when it comes to Starling City is the one with Oliver
BurnOutBrighter
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It would be cool if they added some extra scenes to the Flash premiere. Would be a good incentive for people who had seen the leak to watch.
So I finally watched the pilot and I really liked it except for a few things.
Those are minor things but it really pulled me out of the story, I was like "Wait, what? That's all wrong!"
When he was in the hospital after being struck by lightning he flatlined, they even announced "no heartbeat" and then they defibrillated him ... defibrillation causes an asystole, it stops the heart, if it has already stopped beating you're just stopping it more.
Then when he woke up from the coma there were several things, they basically explained that the speed force stops muscle atrophy and gives people abs, fine and apparently it also protected the brain, because Barry shouldn't know how to walk, talk or do anything after such a long coma. But if the speedforce did it I can live with it.
What was ridiculous in that scene was Caitlin immediately going "pee in the cup, please". Why would she do that? If she needed urine she could have taken it at any time from the catheter Barry should have had, and where was his PEG and why did he wear sweat pants and not diapers? Did they let him poop and pee in his pants for nine months?
And of all things, why did his hair look perfect? Let's ignore that they most likely wouldn't keep the exact same cut for a patient in a coma, it was styled exactly like Barry styled it before and after the accident, they have weird priorities in patient care.
I get that they wanted Grant Gustin to look good and that's hard if he had hopped out of bed with an adult diaper, a urine bag in his hand and a feeding tube sticking out of his belly but they could have avoided that by cutting between him waking up and getting out of bed. Throw in a line like "It's been thirty minutes since you woke up from a coma and if I didn't know I couldn't tell ..." and you're done. It gives them time to remove everything and for Barry's super fast healing to take care of the rest.
Then when he woke up from the coma there were several things, they basically explained that the speed force stops muscle atrophy and gives people abs, fine and apparently it also protected the brain, because Barry shouldn't know how to walk, talk or do anything after such a long coma. But if the speedforce did it I can live with it.
What was ridiculous in that scene was Caitlin immediately going "pee in the cup, please". Why would she do that? If she needed urine she could have taken it at any time from the catheter Barry should have had, and where was his PEG and why did he wear sweat pants and not diapers? Did they let him poop and pee in his pants for nine months?
And of all things, why did his hair look perfect? Let's ignore that they most likely wouldn't keep the exact same cut for a patient in a coma, it was styled exactly like Barry styled it before and after the accident, they have weird priorities in patient care.
I get that they wanted Grant Gustin to look good and that's hard if he had hopped out of bed with an adult diaper, a urine bag in his hand and a feeding tube sticking out of his belly but they could have avoided that by cutting between him waking up and getting out of bed. Throw in a line like "It's been thirty minutes since you woke up from a coma and if I didn't know I couldn't tell ..." and you're done. It gives them time to remove everything and for Barry's super fast healing to take care of the rest.
Those are minor things but it really pulled me out of the story, I was like "Wait, what? That's all wrong!"
Rafa=FedKilla
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Watch the 100 or Reign brah.
Dirtyshubb
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I can understand the issues with medical procedures not being shown properly, but to be fair what shows ever get that 100% right and if you were to go 100% autentic you just wouldnt have a show to begin with but to complain about the memory stuff etc is just really weird, i mean this is a show about a guy who gets struck by lightning, which in turn is actually part of some cosmic force that gives me the ability to not inly run at super speeds but heal broken arms in 3 hours, run fast enough to time travel etc, your not going to get a realistic take on what a coma patient goes through, i mean what show ever bothers to explain the actual survival odds of a coma patient?
lordfroakie
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I wouldn't expect team flash to last since,
Snow might become a villain down the road.
PHOENIXZERO
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I'm expecting
their version of Grodd to have been altered by what happened to look more human and a lot less gorilla to get around the problem and just having a few prosthetics added to whomever they cast for the role.
Messypandas
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This is the one thing that narked me. He goes from discovering he has powers straight to STAR labs testing him on a track field with radar guns and shit. Like they didn't think him telling them some funky stuffs going on and them probably laughing at him would make an interesting scene?
Overall good ep.
To be honest I think he's just happy he has powers and that he can do some good. When he was little he got in a fight for trying to save some kid.
And The Vampire Diaries. Not even our Queen Mary compares to Katherine.
I loved the pilot but haven't followed the flash comic series
With that said can someone explain the ending for me?
since they killed Bart Allen since he was in the costume and just picked up the new 52 series because of the Wally West controversy
With that said can someone explain the ending for me?
What was the significance of the doctor walking into that room and looking at a future newspaper with the flash disappearing 10 years from now?
Rafa=FedKilla
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Crisis.
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