Can someone update me on the status of this show's future? Season 4 has obviously been confirmed. Is an AFFC adaptation basically in the bag? Will it be one or two seasons, or do we not know anything at this point?
I know HBO places a lot of importance on "prestige", but they need to have ratings as well, especially for such an expensive show. Hopefully Season 4 does better, though I'm not sure why it would.
Can someone update me on the status of this show's future? Season 4 has obviously been confirmed. Is an AFFC adaptation basically in the bag? Will it be one or two seasons, or do we not know anything at this point?
Game of Thrones is currently HBO's most successful show (and season 3 was the second most watched season ever for an HBO series, just behind season 5 of The Sopranos). It makes them tons and tons of money, so a fourth and fifth and sixth season (and probably beyond) are all but guaranteed.
Yeah I dunno. That makes it tricky. I think they could just completely cut him out of following Brienne because I don't see them creating a viable scenario that forces him to go with her since his reason in the book is to obviously find Tyrion. Maybe he just chills at the capital after Tyrion disappears. It's hard to say though because we don't know what happens to him after that Stoneheart part. Could end up being a big problem for the show if he has important things left to do.
Game of Thrones is currently HBO's most successful show (and season 3 was the second most watched season ever for an HBO series, just behind season 5 of The Sopranos). It makes them tons and tons of money, so a fourth and fifth and sixth season (and probably beyond) are all but guaranteed.
Sort of on topic to this: my roommate was quite upset that Jon had zero reaction to seeing the direwolves in episode 9. I reassured him that he would mention them in the finale at some point, but alas! Nothing! He better say something in season 4 lol. I do agree with him though. They should have at least maybe shown some sort of reaction from Jon when Summer jumped out of nowhere and ripped that dude up. Obviously they didn't have to be super obvious and give Jon a line like "whoa a direwolf!" It would have been nice if he acknowledged their presence in some way though. I'm holding on to hope for the next season that he will mention them in some capacity. I ended up checking the books, and I believe internally he thought it was Ghost at first.
I don't think there's any reason Jon should have recognized them as his own brothers' direwolves. Their direwolves aren't the only ones that are supposed to exist in this world (they are rare, but not all gone). And the last time Jon actually saw his brothers' direwolves in person they were little more than pups, not the full grown beasts that attacked the wildlings. Combine that with the immediate danger to his own life and the other wildlings that were in the area and his only rational thought at the time would be "I gotta get the hell out of here!" not "Hey, direwolves, they must be Bran and Rickon's direwolves this close to the wall even though all I know is that they are still safe and sound at Winterfell, I'll wait look around and see if I can find them while dodging these wildling attacks!"
I don't think there's any reason Jon should have recognized them as his own brothers' direwolves. Their direwolves aren't the only ones that are supposed to exist in this world (they are rare, but not all gone). And the last time Jon actually saw his brothers' direwolves in person they were little more than pups, not the full grown beasts that attacked the wildlings. Combine that with the immediate danger to his own life and the other wildlings that were in the area and his only rational thought at the time would be "I gotta get the hell out of here!" not "Hey, direwolves, they must be Bran and Rickon's direwolves this close to the wall even though all I know is that they are still safe and sound at Winterfell, I'll wait look around and see if I can find them while dodging these wildling attacks!"
In the show (in episode one) they make it known that there are no direwolves south of the wall (Robb says this I believe). So the only known direwolves would most likely be his brothers'. He wouldn't be certain they were his brothers' direwolves, but don't you think his first instinct would be to think that they were? Obviously he didn't have time to say anything or do anything even if he did recognize them, but they could have easily cut to a closeup of the shock on his face when he saw one for like a half a second. Ygritte got 8 seconds of screen time for her reaction to Jon running away. I think it is a valid complaint that they didn't have Jon acknowledge their presence at all.
Oh for sure. I could actually picture season 4 as being the series' peak in terms of ratings, with every subsequent season floating at around season 3 levels.
I'm actually thinking that he'll be with the Mountain's men that Arya and the Hound encounter. Show Brienne never met Rorge, so using him in her plot doesn't make much sense. It'd be more reasonable to move Locke into Rorge's position in Brienne's story, while leaving Rorge to somehow meet his end in Arya's, since she's the only character to have interacted with him thus far.
After the finale, my girlfriend and I were talking about the change in Brienne's plot line with having her arrive before Sansa flees the city. She had the idea that with Sansa secure for the time being, Brienne could spend part of season four looking around King's Landing for leads on what happened to Arya. With Davos having sent Gendry to KL instead of the Free Cities, he becomes a potential source of intel that Arya's last been seen with the Brotherhood. That works Gendry back into Brienne's plot like the book and fills enough time for Tyrion to flee and leave Pod, all while also setting her on a direct course for the Brotherhood and eliminating the need for all her wandering.
I'm actually thinking that he'll be with the Mountain's men that Arya and the Hound encounter. Show Brienne never met Rorge, so using him in her plot doesn't make much sense. It'd be more reasonable to move Locke into Rorge's position in Brienne's story, while leaving Rorge to somehow meet his end in Arya's, since she's the only character to have interacted with him thus far.
After the finale, my girlfriend and I were talking about the change in Brienne's plot line with having her arrive before Sansa flees the city. She had the idea that with Sansa secure for the time being, Brienne could spend part of season four looking around King's Landing for leads on what happened to Arya. With Davos having sent Gendry to KL instead of the Free Cities, he becomes a potential source of intel that Arya's last been seen with the Brotherhood. That works Gendry back into Brienne's plot like the book and fills enough time for Tyrion to flee and leave Pod, all while also setting her on a direct course for the Brotherhood and eliminating the need for all her wandering.
Maybe they plug Rorge into the inn scene with the Hound and give him Needle. They could do a number of different things I suppose. But yeah, that makes a lot of sense that Rorge could just stay in Arya's storyline rather than to try and include him in Brienne's as well.
Interesting idea about Gendry meeting up with Brienne in KL. I hadn't even thought of that possibility. Would be funny if they ended up sending Brienne to find Arya early on instead since Sansa is still in the capital when Brienne is there. Wonder if that would even be possible to write it that way.
Also, what did you mean by saying that Davos sent Gendry to KL rather than to the Free Cities? Were the Free Cities ever a possibility for Gendry? I don't recall anything about that.
Maybe they plug Rorge into the inn scene with the Hound and give him Needle. They could do a number of different things I suppose. But yeah, that makes a lot of sense that Rorge could just stay in Arya's storyline rather than to try and include him in Brienne's as well.
Interesting idea about Gendry meeting up with Brienne in KL. I hadn't even thought of that possibility. Would be funny if they ended up sending Brienne to find Arya early on instead since Sansa is still in the capital when Brienne is there. Wonder if that would even be possible to write it that way.
Also, what did you mean by saying that Davos sent Gendry to KL rather than to the Free Cities? Were the Free Cities ever a possibility for Gendry? I don't recall anything about that.
Davos sends Edric to the Free Cities in the book. I was just working under the assumption that them consciously changing that so he goes to King's Landing has to mean something, unless they felt that taking Gendry full circle, back to the slums he came from was the most satisfying end they could work for the character.
Oh for sure. I could actually picture season 4 as being the series' peak in terms of ratings, with every subsequent season floating at around season 3 levels.
you can only refuse to give viewers what they want for so long. Series spoiler
I love AFFC and ADWD but I can't imagine viewers being happy about Dany not going to Westeros ASAP. I can't help but think the show will need to give her a reason to attack Mereen beyond freeing slaves. Having a Mereen assassin kill or capture one of her allies could give her S4 plot some type of revenge angle. In the book she goes directly to Mereen obviously, but I'm not sure if that will work with viewers.
Davos sends Edric to the Free Cities in the book. I was just working under the assumption that them consciously changing that so he goes to King's Landing has to mean something, unless they felt that taking Gendry full circle, back to the slums he came from was the most satisfying end they could work for the character.
you can only refuse to give viewers what they want for so long. Series spoiler
I love AFFC and ADWD but I can't imagine viewers being happy about Dany not going to Westeros ASAP. I can't help but think the show will need to give her a reason to attack Mereen beyond freeing slaves. Having a Mereen assassin kill or capture one of her allies could give her S4 plot some type of revenge angle. In the book she goes directly to Mereen obviously, but I'm not sure if that will work with viewers.
Meereen is going to have to be reworked significantly both to make it significantly different from her season 3 content and to make the war with Meereen last the whole season.
I'm actually thinking that he'll be with the Mountain's men that Arya and the Hound encounter. Show Brienne never met Rorge, so using him in her plot doesn't make much sense. It'd be more reasonable to move Locke into Rorge's position in Brienne's story, while leaving Rorge to somehow meet his end in Arya's, since she's the only character to have interacted with him thus far.
you can only refuse to give viewers what they want for so long. Series spoiler
I love AFFC and ADWD but I can't imagine viewers being happy about Dany not going to Westeros ASAP. I can't help but think the show will need to give her a reason to attack Mereen beyond freeing slaves. Having a Mereen assassin kill or capture one of her allies could give her S4 plot some type of revenge angle. In the book she goes directly to Mereen obviously, but I'm not sure if that will work with viewers.
I don't think the writers will let things drag so much that they start to lose a lot of viewers. They'll probably throw a random battle in there every now and then to spice things up a bit.
After the finale, my girlfriend and I were talking about the change in Brienne's plot line with having her arrive before Sansa flees the city. She had the idea that with Sansa secure for the time being, Brienne could spend part of season four looking around King's Landing for leads on what happened to Arya. With Davos having sent Gendry to KL instead of the Free Cities, he becomes a potential source of intel that Arya's last been seen with the Brotherhood. That works Gendry back into Brienne's plot like the book and fills enough time for Tyrion to flee and leave Pod, all while also setting her on a direct course for the Brotherhood and eliminating the need for all her wandering.
Oh it definitely will be, but I hope they drag it out as they do in the book. There's a lot that happens if you think about it. I bet episode 3, or around there, ASoS
Oh it definitely will be, but I hope they drag it out as they do in the book. There's a lot that happens if you think about it. I bet episode 3, or around there, ASoS
Yeah as long as they do the Southern attack early in the season, that's fine.
I had this thought that they could do basically all of episode 7 as the attack on the Wall up to Jon being thrown in an Ice cell by Janos and Thorne. That would be a cool hook and twist after Jon leads this exhausting defense for an hour. Then, they pull him out and tell him to go kill Mance at the back end of episode 8 or 9, and Stannis comes to the rescue, and that would finish out that ep.
I don't necessarily think that's how it will go down, but I think it would be cool to do it like that.
I'm a fan of keeping Charles Dance on the show as long as possible. It will be a sad episode when he finally dies. Even though some of his scenes haven't been exactly the most pivotal storyline-wise, seeing him on the show is always amazing.
Remember, there were actually four different battles in the book. The Castle Black battle, the first battle for the Wall (that's where Donal Noye dies fighting the Giant), the second battle for the Wall (this is the biggest one with all the mammoths and shit), and then Stannis routing the remains of Mance's host. I don't know if they'll wind up including both of the big Wall battles (they could very easily condense them into one for budgetary reasons), but I think there's plenty of room to stretch Jon's material out over the entire season. He actually has the most material left from the third book by a wide margin.
I'm 50% through AFFC. While the book introduces so many new people that its tough to get through right now, I'm really really enjoying the new POV chapters from
I'm a show-watcher and non-book reader so I'm treading very carefully in here. I just tried searching manually to see who's quoted me recently since that feature is now gone and ended up ploughing through all the times I've been quoted since I've been on GAF (I'm bored at work, don't judge!). Anyway, I inadvertently stumbled upon the untagged book spoilers thread and saw something interesting, and now I just have to ask.
I don't know what book this is in (if it is indeed in one) so unless you've read everything maybe you don't want to look at this, but:
Is there a character in one of the books named Shagwell? It was in the untagged spoiler thread in a quote regarding Brienne. And if so, is he cool or is he another evil bastard? I ask because my username has absolutely no connection to that if so.
In the show (in episode one) they make it known that there are no direwolves south of the wall (Robb says this I believe). So the only known direwolves would most likely be his brothers'. He wouldn't be certain they were his brothers' direwolves, but don't you think his first instinct would be to think that they were? Obviously he didn't have time to say anything or do anything even if he did recognize them, but they could have easily cut to a closeup of the shock on his face when he saw one for like a half a second. Ygritte got 8 seconds of screen time for her reaction to Jon running away. I think it is a valid complaint that they didn't have Jon acknowledge their presence at all.
i am pretty sure that they did cut to a look of "WTF" on his face when the Direwolves attacked. When it comes down to it, Jon does not know Bran or Rickon are alive and consider that Ghost currently is keeping his distance from Jon he does not have an easy way of knowing if they were close even if he thought they were alive. He can't exactly follow the direwolves in hopes that they lead him to Bran and Rickon. Perhaps it is a plot hole, but it isn't an omission that should have been addressed. The last thing on Jon's mind was not who saved him, but rather he needs to get back to the wall.
i am pretty sure that they did cut to a look of "WTF" on his face when the Direwolves attacked. When it comes down to it, Jon does not know Bran or Rickon are alive and consider that Ghost currently is keeping his distance from Jon he does not have an easy way of knowing if they were close even if he thought they were alive. He can't exactly follow the direwolves in hopes that they lead him to Bran and Rickon. Perhaps it is a plot hole, but it isn't an omission that should have been addressed. The last thing on Jon's mind was not who saved him, but rather he needs to get back to the wall.
Yeah, I said that in the post you quoted. We're on the same page there. Also, Jon has no knowledge at this point of what's happened to Winterfell. He's under the assumption that Bran and Rickon are still there.
I just re watched the scene again. He has a reaction that could either be reacting to fighting Orell, or of him looking at one of the wolves. It's not very clear, and that's where my main issue lies. We are all book readers so it makes sense to us, but, with the way the scene was shot, I can see how only show watchers would be confused by the lack of Jon's reaction. And like I said, I was really holding on to hope that he would say something once he got back to the wall, but the final episode obviously didn't touch on it. Would have been nice if he had one more scene where he and Sam and Aemon got to talk and he got to tell them about the direwolves he saw and then inquire about his family back at Winterfell.
The show generally does an awesome job with these subtle things, but I think this was an instance where they could have done a little bit better. Now we have to wait until the next season for it to be clarified.
I just recently finished the third season. This show has made me sad in so many ways. It is to be expected of a tragedy though, and even in my agony I enjoyed all of it in time. I expect we GOT fans are masochists.
The most anticipated new role coming to the fourth season of Game of Thrones has been filled.
Prince Oberyn Martell will be played by Chilean actor Pedro Pascal, who has previously had arcs on CBS’ The Good Wife, ABC’s Red Widow and USA’s Graceland.
For those who haven’t read the books, here’s a spoiler-free description of the character:
Oberyn is a brash, charming, cunning prince of Dorne (part of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros). His sister Elia was brutally murdered by the Lannister knight Gregor “The Mountain” Clegane when Mad King Aerys was overthrown by Robert Baratheon and the Lannisters. In season four, Oberyn comes to King’s Landing with revenge on his mind.
Also: Nearly every Thrones character has a nickname and Oberyn has one of the coolest: The Red Viper.
“This was a tough one,” say showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss about the casting.
“The Red Viper is sexy and charming, yet believably dangerous; intensely likable, yet driven by hate. The boys love him, the girls love him, and he loves them all back. Unless your last name is Lannister. We found a fellow who can handle the job description and make it seem effortless. He wasn’t easy to find and he won’t be easy to stop.”
HBO hasn’t yet announced its Comic-Con plans, but if you’re headed to San Diego, it’s safe to assume Thrones will have a presence this year. Game of Thrones returns in 2014.
He's playing a pretty vanilla role on Graceland, so I can't tell much from that. He was good as a super-cocky, young boxer on Lights Out last year when that was running on FX.
I like the casting news. He's not a big actor but like that, perhaps it'll ensure they don't force material/scenes to justify the hire. Although given that Weiss quote it seems obvious that we'll get a ASOS spoiler
bisexual threesome or something, with Littlefinger watching of course
Are the Dornish supposed to have accents? I always figured that they speak English the same just as everyone else. They just look different because a lot of their ancestors came from Essos through Nymeria's army.
